Welcome To Trump World

[aj3647]

Meanwhile, in other non-theory based news, during the longest ever government shutdown Nancy Pelosi and 92[[?) unnamed others tried to go on a multi country jaunt at taxpayer expense instead of compromising or negotiating to reopen government. Does anyone have a manifest list of who else was on Nancy's getaway tour or know long they had planned to be away?

A Congressional fact-finding mission to the Middle East and Central Asia. Not exactly an uncommon thing, for members of Congress to travel overseas in an official capacity. No comment on Melania Trump taking a military plane down to Mar-a-lago during the shutdown? That's different though, that was crucial business, laying by the pool, working on her tan, while the Secret Service agents who guard her receive no pay.

Anyways, cry no longer, Oladub! The shutdown is over! Trump blinked, he backed down, he caved...however you want to refer to it. After pledging to let the shutdown go on for "months or years" if need be until he gets his Wall funding, Trump [[facing slumping poll numbers and increasingly fracturing GOP support in the Senate) finally threw in the towel. He signed a bill to reopen the government for three weeks while "negotiations continue." The bill gives NO funding to the Wall. I would point out that this is EXACTLY what Nancy Pelosi and Democrats proposed as soon as they took over on January 3...fund the government temporarily while negotiating border security separately. Rather than just do that, Trump shut down the government for a month and THEN did exactly what the Democrats proposed three weeks ago and got nothing in exchange for all the chaos and suffering he caused.

It's become clear now that Trump does not have the political capital to get his Wall. As the shutdown marched on, his position got weaker and weaker. At this point, only the most delusional of you Trump supporters must still hold out hope that there will ever be a Wall. Trump's approval rating hit a 12-month low and of the two competing Senate bills [[one backed by Trump and one backed by the Democrats), it was the Democratic bill that got more votes. Six Republican Senators voted for the Democratic bill, only one Democrat voted for the GOP bill [[also two Republicans voted against their own party's bill). The momentum is clearly on the side of the Democrats here, and so Trump finally succumbed to reality and wisely surrendered.

[Maof]

^And good news to wake up to.

Here's the actual indictment.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-...-live-updates/

[Maof]

Famous last words. Similar to a record skipping....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...32908494888961

[Bong-Man]

Just read this in a Fox article, and had to verify. Except for laughing out loud, I'm speechless. I would have loved to be a fly-on-the-wall when he initially gave the tat artist the request.

[Bham1982]

Trump's associates are like the evil henchmen in a comic book. Except if you wrote such a story, with such a wacky rogue's gallery of sycophants and toadies, everyone would say it's too crazy.

[carolcb]

And who would have ever believed the right would support Melania as first lady. And stand by you-know-who no matter what he says or does...while clutching their Bibles. Follow the money............

[Bham1982]

And who would have ever believed the right would support Melania as first lady.

A porn star illegal immigrant. And the "moral" religious right and "no illegals" crowds both love her. Just a tiny bit of hypocrisy.

We now have SEVEN of Trump's closest associates indicted/arrested for Trump campaign shenanigans with Russia. The religious right is gonna stand by their man, till the bitter end.

[Richard]

^ well gee wiz,you could have saved the taxpayers millions if you had just brought your facts to Muller in the first place,apparently 2 plus years later he still has none.

Do your civic duty and give him the goods.

Interesting how your only interest in Stone speculation,he was a consultant to some of the most brutal dictatorships in recent history but you are willing to overlook that if he brings Trump down.

Out of all the people in the world to pin ones hopes on he is proably the worst one.

Good luck,because tomorrow your president will still be Trump,enjoy it for the next 5.6 years.

[Bham1982]

^ well gee wiz,you could have saved the taxpayers millions if you had just brought your facts to Muller in the first place,apparently 2 plus years later he still has none.

Um, Mueller has more criminal indictments than any special investigation in history, Watergate included. He filed for 12 sealed criminal indictments in the last two days alone. He just arrested Stone on seven felonies, also implicating Bannnon, and an unnamed individual managing Bannon [[gee, I wonder who.)

And he did all this in slightly over a year, when special investigations tend to last 6-8 years.

But you already knew all that; you're just here dutifully earning your rubles.

[Richard]

Um, Mueller has more criminal indictments than any special investigation in history, Watergate included. He filed for 12 sealed criminal indictments in the last two days alone. He just arrested Stone on seven felonies, also implicating Bannnon, and an unnamed individual managing Bannon [[gee, I wonder who.)

And he did all this in slightly over a year, when special investigations tend to last 6-8 years.

But you already knew all that; you're just here dutifully earning your rubles.

The only reason Mueller has indictments is because during an investigation if crimes or purported crimes are discovered,he has an obligation to pursue them,even if they are outside the scope of the original investigation.

I know that you are aware of where that leads if it becomes an excepted practice mainstream.

You have your hopes and dreams but unfortunately history is not on your side of the whole radical left aspect.

The weathermen of the 60s and seventies and their bombing campaign of everything that they did not agree with.

The Hillary campaign.

The woman's movement of 2016.

The one thing they all have in common is when it all starts falling apart they always turn on each other.

You may be comfortable in the current leftist agenda because you have company,but when it starts to fall apart,you will get eaten just like the others have in the past and you will be left dumbfounded even more wondering what happened.

Wake me up when you actually have direct evidence of the current president colluding with Putin in order to win the presidency,which was your original claim and reason for the investigation to start with.

All the other stuff in-between is just pacification in order to keep the peace,because given the lefts past history for violence when they do not get their way,they had to do something.

So what,they allegedly found corrupt people involved in politics,breaking news,Hugh,then throw in a porn star for entertainment and a few Russians hiding in the bushes and you have the biggest pacifier created in history.

You can speculate,gloat and have all the false hope in the world,in the end all that happens is the Muller commission submits a piece of paper to a closed session of congress and we may never know the results.

Then what? Back to being appalled over a fake news clip and wanting to bitch-slap and throw people through wood chippers with no factual evidence.

What happens when you are picked up,persecuted and jailed,and sentenced to death,with no evidence.

Nothing will happen because you guys have set a precedence to where that has become socially acceptable.

With your continued obsession with the first lady posing nude it becomes clear that the only way that you view women,as a sex object.

But that is par to the course with the leftist,say one thing while actually practicing another,my guess is that you prefer women to also wear their Hijab and skirts down to their ankles.

I guess a woman's right to her body only applies to the standards that you personally choose for them.

Interesting how both you and AJ have so many distinct similarities in your wording and posting styles,I am beginning to think that you are both one in the same.It would be hard to believe that there would be two of you.

That is just a general observation.

[Richard]

^ and what happens down the road when he chooses the option of declaring an emergency and removes everybody’s options on input.

Maybe then people will think that playing politics and coming to the table would have been a better idea verses playing the game of tug of war.

I am not so sure that he succumbed,more so gave the option to the Dems so in the future he can say,hey look I tried to bring people to the table and they refused,so now this is my plan B.

[Bham1982]

^ and what happens down the road when he chooses the option of declaring an emergency and removes everybody’s options on input.

If Dotard attempts yet another illegal move prior to his removal and likely imprisonment, then the courts will once again do their Constitutional duty and slap him down.

There will be no wall, ever.

[Richard]

If Dotard attempts yet another illegal move prior to his removal and likely imprisonment, then the courts will once again do their Constitutional duty and slap him down.

There will be no wall, ever.

Did they remove all of the pens and paper when the previous administration left the White House ?

[Bham1982]

Did they remove all of the pens and paper when the previous administration left the White House ?

Yes, because presence of "pens and paper" obviously determine whether or not something is Constitutional. Not earning your pay today, Sergei.

[Zacha341]

Or it'll be a useless Maginot Line [[wall) sort of nonsense, money grab. The rub and bait is that persons seeking entry outside of the immigration law is being sent a mixed message: Offish president and right wingers says, no. vs benevolent Dems and left saying come and get the goods!

You're a racist MAGA hat wearing duffis if you say no. Let the good times roll. Go in or around as they fiddle, argue. I say frig MAGA hat signal matrix, AND the hand-wringing far left and their value signaling, AND the hypocrisy of many on the right and the left. Can we think beyond politics and optics?

I don't see Detroiter's being advanced in any of this. I need not look far to see poverty and despair, daily.

Where's the help and motive to address that? Down the line apparently.

As I have said, who'd respect a nation so divided and the divide they're toiling in DOES NOT EVEN REPRESENT the average citizen workaday citizen?

We're pressed in the middle of this. We'll pay for it. While the folks at the top remain there [[Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Bump, Pelosi, the aspiring gen X political ascendents), rarely feeling the consequences of their 'ideas'.

I did not vote for Trump etc. And I kinda think we're done. The more Trump pushes for a wall, or tightening immigration, the more some will double-down to the opposite extreme. Whatever. Too much is tied to politics and a president. We cannot see beyond that.

If Dotard attempts yet another illegal move prior to his removal and likely imprisonment, then the courts will once again do their Constitutional duty and slap him down.

There will be no wall, ever.

[canuck]

Read my lisp;

Chumpty Dumpty sat on a wall...

Fill in the rest...

[Zacha341]

Trump was roundly trumped by Pelosi. He finally backed off -- the idea of shutting down of the government as force to build the wall was never workable. The trade off would soon have us with no immigration policy whatsoever. And what nation does that??

Remaining issues:

-- If every illegal [[or undocumented citizen - choose your option) were removed we'd have an economic collapse considering how many work in agriculture, our hotels, hospitals, restaurants, factories, construction etc.

-- If we continue to allow the flow of illegals, especially those not work-ready into our country pulling upon our already strained social and medical infrastructure we will also see a collapse both socially and economically.

-- National security [[fill in concerns here)...

From here [[up north in Michigan) it's a bit vague as to what is coming and already occurring re. our borders and other methods of scamming the immigration systems. However, New York and Cali are already reaping the consequences and securing their voter base and support, for now.

But the good times roll only so long. Then the bill must be paid by you know who? The elites and establishment [[including the dem elite) will for the most part remain untouched - thinking mainly about their next contract high bidder/ connections. Shocking that is?!

Setting aside the Trump admin et al, and Polosi et al factors where are we going/ what are we doing from here?

[Richard]

Trump was roundly trumped by Pelosi. He finally backed off -- the idea of shutting down of the government as force to build the wall was never workable. The trade off would soon have us with no immigration policy whatsoever. And what nation does that??

Remaining issues:

If every illegal [[or undocumented citizen - choose your option) were removed we'd have an economic collapse considering how many work in our hotels, hospital, restaurants, factories, construction etc.

If we continue to allow the flow of illegals, especially those not work-ready into our country pulling upon our already strained social and medical infrastructure we will also see a collapse both socially and economically.

From here [[up north in Michigan) it's a bit vague as to what is coming and already occurring re. our borders and other methods of scamming the immigration systems. However, New York and Cali are already reaping the consequences and securing their voter base and support, for now.

But the good times will only roll so long. Then the bill must be paid by you know who? The elites and establishment [[including the dem elite) will for the most part remain untouched - thinking mainly about their next contract high bidder/ connections. There's big money in wall building [[what ever kind) and short-term maintenance of those seeking entry outside of our immigration systems.

Follow the rich man, or woman and the top and their you'll find MOTIVE.

So, setting aside the Trump admin et al, and Polosi et al factors where are we going from here?

Even more so when you are a democrat and invested in tech,since 9-11 this country has invested trillions in tech,that becomes obsolete 6 monthes later.

They keep pushing spending money that has a reoccurring costs,added labor,added tech etc. every year a budget will have to be revisited and more funding to replace the outdated tech side.

The wall is a one time cost and costs nothing to sit there,you can watch it with a $200 camera system and deploy a response as needed.

What is even funnier is the Pope saying that we should not be building walls but yet goes home to a Vatican that is surrounded by a massive wall.

Israel has a wall and zero illegal immigration through border jumpers,we surround our community’s with walls and fences,we live in houses with walls and locks.

Outside of being a termite,apparently walls are effective.

In 2017 Americans spent over 4 billion in home security in order to protect their personal space but balk at spending to protect the country.

What would have happened years ago to the automotive industry if the unions had not locked down the employment aspect and the manufacturing industry was inundated with illegal labor force?

[Richard]

Pelosi keeps going on about Trump and NATO,instead of removing the fence around her compound.

NATO established in 1954 in order to form a deterrent coalition of countries against Russia should they attack.

Currently comprises of 29 countries.

They use what is called article 5 in order to mobilize,the only time it has ever been envoked was on 9-11 when the US was attacked,29 countries then came forward in the fight against terrorism.

Secetary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg has this to say about Trumps politics.

JS: So I agree, but not only I agree, but all allies agree that we need fair burden sharing within NATO. And that's the reason why we have been so focused on how can we make those allies, who are spending less than they should, to invest more? And the good news is that, since 2016, NATO allies in Europe and Canada, have added 41 billion extra for defence spending, and by next year, they will add 100 billion extra for defence spending, so European allies and Canada are really stepping up, so the strong message from the US, from President Trump, has-, is having an impact.

JS: Second, we have increased the readiness of forces, for the first time in our history, we have combat-ready troops, in the eastern part of the alliance, and we have totally modernised our command structure. So, things are really happening in NATO, reflecting the fact that we live in a more dangerous world.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/cnbc...orum-2019.html

After the Cold War ended countries started to defund NATO and their defense budget,much like we did in the 70s and 80s,because they felt the threat was over with and reverted back to their pre-WW2 days of complacency.

Note to Bham

The First Lady has now received her 3rd settlement and apologies from a newspaper printing false information.

British newspaper printed an apology to first lady Melania Trump Saturday saying they had agreed to pay her "substantial damages" after publishing several false statements about her family and modeling career.

"We apologize unreservedly to The First Lady and her family for any embarrassment caused by our publication of these allegations," the Telegraph wrote Saturday. "As a mark of our regret we have agreed to pay Mrs. Trump substantial damages as well as her legal costs."

In 2017, the first lady's lawyer said she settled a lawsuit for a "substantial sum" against a Maryland blogger who wrote that Trump had once worked as an escort.

https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-...l-pay-damages/

Do you still stand by your statement that she was a porn star?

[Zacha341]

Hah, that's the standard way of it!! Similar to the elites promoting gun confiscation while safe and sound -- kept that way by their own personal body guards and security [[armed of course).

They build and retain their walls, gated communities, royal enclosures; have their own private drivers, food services; their private health care options, all the while dictating. And this is NOT just the life of the right-wing repubs, clearly.

Only problem is microbes and diseases don't care about your politics and value signaling. Unless you're living in an impermeable situation, you're done.

You'll just live longer with your better health care. Unless it all really hits the fan. Then even the best-paid docs and nurse abandon their posts. They have their own families at a point!

Who's lately apologizing for locking their doors and securing their things? Only the rhetoriticians with more rhetoric? Nope the don't. I'm not.

Pelosi keeps going on about Trump and NATO, instead of removing the fence around her compound.

[Bham1982]

Note to Bham

Note to Trump cultists everywhere: Melania was a porn star, and was an illegal, no matter how much money she has earned [[as if earnings have any relationship to whether or not someone did soft porn or came illegally).

Melania has never challenged either easily proven fact, because they're both verified. No one but crazed cultists would challenge actual paystubs showing she worked while under tourist visa, or actual photos of her in "adult" poses.

The lawsuit you keep stupidly referring to has NOTHING to do with the fact that she was 1. doing porn and 2. an illegal. The Daily Mail [[a British right wing rag, BTW) claimed Melania was a prostitute during the 1990's, which is a lie. Don't blame others if you're too brainwashed to bother reading anything but Russian Times, Breitbart and White Supremacy Weekly.

And sorry, your desperate attempts to change the conversation from the fact that your cult leader is a Russian troll who sold the country out to an American enemy, and on a fast track to removal, isn't gonna work.

[Richard]

Speaking of microbes,Washington State is expirenceing a measles outbreak.

Centered in Clark county with 31 cases,Interesting enough Clark County was touted as the fastest growing illegal immigrant center in the state.

[Bham1982]

Speaking of microbes,Washington State is expirenceing a measles outbreak.

Centered in Clark county with 31 cases,Interesting enough Clark County was touted as the fastest growing illegal immigrant center in the state.

That's it! Measles! We need to build a giant wall to stop measles in Washington state. Because obviously illegals walk to Washington state, duh! And actual governmental data showing illegal border crossings are below net-zero are all a lie!

You deport Melania, Trump's construction workers, Trump's housekeepers, you agree for Trump to be arrested/convicted for mass-hiring illegals, then we can have a serious conversation about the issue. Until then, you're nothing but a lying cultist.

[Maof]

Speaking of microbes,Washington State is expirenceing a measles outbreak.

Centered in Clark county with 31 cases,Interesting enough Clark County was touted as the fastest growing illegal immigrant center in the state.

There is a decline [[small that it may be) of our own citizens choosing not to vaccinate their children.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/1613251002/

[Richard]

There is a decline [[small that it may be) of our own citizens choosing not to vaccinate their children.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/1613251002/

Detroit and Michagan are considered opt out cities and states when it comes to vaccinations,the only cases that have come to light there was from travelers to foreign countries,Detroit is a hub for at least the Philippines that I know of anyways.

[COLOR=rgba[[0, 0, 0, 0.870588)]In 2017, there were 118 measles cases in the United States, including two in Michigan, and the majority of people diagnosed had not been vaccinated, according to the Michigan health department. The average number of measles cases from 2001-2012 had been about 60.

[/COLOR]https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ler/424259002/

Now in 2019 we have 60 cases in one county of one city alone.

It seems to be a double edge sword,where I live there are clinics where refugees and illegals can recieve free health care including all of their shots,which is required while in a refugee status.

On one hand they recieve care not afforded to the adverage citizen but in the other hand it can be viewed as a protection of sorts to the general population in order to stop the spread.

If you are applying for citizenship or a visa to visit the US but refuse to have the required vaccinations then the visa or permanent residency can be denied.

But you can also recieve a waiver if you object for religious or moral grounds.

They are saying most of the travelers that are the carriers are coming from the Middle East,Israel and Asia.

All countries that use the religious wavers.

We are seeing things pop up that we had basically eradicated in the past.

We are not new to this immigration thing,there were checks and balances put in place because of things that happened and the intent was for them not to happen again,it seems like we are back to square one in having to relearn the process and not learning from past mistakes.