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[Honky Tonk]

The recent unusual flood of three posts of the same image reveals the desperate [[x3!) overcompensation for:

Mr. President Wasn't Mr. Popular At The G20 Summit

Steven Colbert is such an annoying little wussy fuck, isn't he?

[coracle]

Post 140. [[Trump demonstrating what we should have been doing for the last 20 years)
A bunch of losers mulling round wondering who's going to give them their "pocket money" now "the man" has wised up to our pillocks who sunk us deeper into dept to finance their defenses while they spent their own money on socialized programs for their "needy", immigrants and migrants.

I see Turkey is going to pull out of the Paris Accord because they are not going to get the compensation "promised by Paris" to pay for it. Wonder where Paris was going to get the compensation money from to pass on?

[oladub]

Ah, "news" from Colbert. He is always so funny in his snide arrogant way. Does anyone know who the nine men are behind Trump that Trump presumably is supposed to be having such a good time with? For all we know, Trump might be the first G-20 leader to sit down for a meeting. Let's pretend the 9 guys behind Trump are G-20 leaders. If Trump had to take in refugees that Obama/SOS Clinton created or make good Al Gore's stake in carbon futures trading CO2 offsets to be popular with the globalist crowd there, its better that he didn't sell out the US to be popular there.

[noise]

It's shocking that, at this point, people are still defending Trump as being intelligent, tactical, or logical. He thanks you for his ever-clean boots.

[Jimaz]

Now Trump Wants A "See-Through" Wall.

Hmmm. If that wall is soooo transparent that it's indistinguishable from no wall at all, then who could possibly know whether the wall is not there?

If it's not there, how much did it cost? Nothing! How much did Mexico pay for the wall? Nothing!

Magically, Mexico paid for the entire cost of the wall!

♪That's the way we can get things done & that's how i do it.♪
♪It's easy & simple cuz you know what to do.♪

[[Forgive me. I'm trying to channel Trump's other neuron because the first one was, um, er, unintelligible.)

[Bigb23]

Had a women tell me that she could get in home therapy for her MS and how happy she was with that. Almost in the same sentence she said how happy she was with Donald Trump in office.
You can't reap Obamacare while heralding the man who plans to rape health care as we know it, for the rich 1% who don't need more money to sit on.
I didn't plan to tell her. I don't go there.

[Richard]

I like how people freak out over words like,plans on,alleged,un-named source,may have,could have etc.

It reminds me of the Transporter movie where the driver is taking the young boy to the doctor,he was freaking out about a shot from the doctor.

Driver told him,you do not even know if you are getting the shot,so why worry about it.

How can people say/freak out over what is in a health care bill when it has not even been presented yet?

[313WX]

How can people say/freak out over what is in a health care bill when it has not even been presented yet?

The revised version of the Senate bill has been presented, or at least leaked.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politi...ext/index.html

Even the rich get screwed in that one. Only young and relatively healthy people [[who don't need health insurance and wouldn't have to pay a penalty) are the winners.

[canuck]

I never got that part about not needing insurance whether young and healthy or old and not. Frankly, anything can happen at any time to reverse one's fortune. Universal Health Care provider coverage in case of disease but also accidental mishaps of varying importance. Why is this such an obtuse concept stateside?

[313WX]

I never got that part about not needing insurance whether young and healthy or old and not. Frankly, anything can happen at any time to reverse one's fortune. Universal Health Care provider coverage in case of disease but also accidental mishaps of varying importance. Why is this such an obtuse concept stateside?

True, anything can happen.

That said, there are a couple facts to consider.

1. *Statistically*, young and healthy people are unlikely to experience a health crisis that would require the need for insurance. That's when your muscles, bones and immune system are all in their prime.

2. Life is all about making tough choices. While many Millennials would *prefer* to have insurance coverage, when they're struggling to find good paying / secure jobs and are buried under hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that they can never discharge in bankruptcy, it's hard to justify signing up for an additional expense [[that's going to cost them thousands of additional dollars yearly) for a service they're unlikely to ever use.

BTW, I do support "Universal Health Care" and Millennials overwhelmingly support it as well. That's why they came out in droves for Bernie Sanders, who was the Democratic candidate strongly pushing for a Single-Payer system, or at least a Public Option.

[oladub]

I never got that part about not needing insurance whether young and healthy or old and not. Frankly, anything can happen at any time to reverse one's fortune. Universal Health Care provider coverage in case of disease but also accidental mishaps of varying importance. Why is this such an obtuse concept stateside?

I'm ok with a single payer plan like those of Canadian provinces. However, the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution strongly suggests that because providing health care insurance is not a power delegated to the US federal government, that such options are delegated to states. My question is why no blue state has advanced a single payer health plan. My answer is that Democratic politicians are as much on the hook for campaign contributions from the same factions as Republicans.

I once listened to the Canadian Council from Chicago explain why Canadians pay only 60% as much for health care as US citizens. His top three reasons were that lawyers, bureaucrats, and insurance interests were largely cut out. Other significant reasons included province wide bulk prices for pharmaceuticals and lower doctor pay offset by no need for medical liability insurance to pass along.

California recently put forth a single payer plan but it must have kept lawyers, bureaucrats, insurance and Rx profits feeding from the health care trough because it would have cost over twice as much as California's present budget. Vermont tried to advance a single payer plan under Obama's presidency but its plan was scuttled by Obamacare bureaucrats in Washington who insisted that societally unaffordable Obamacare, with its lawyers, bureaucrats, and corporate profits, be kept at the core of any single payer plan. Democrats in Washington are just using single payer as an issue as long as Trump is President for 4-8 years. Meanwhile, no Democratic governor of any solid blue state wants to threaten major campaign contributors.

[Bigb23]

Steven Colbert is such an annoying little wussy fuck, isn't he?

Only in your eyes apparently, millions of others disagree.

And read your post to wussy fuck your self.

[Honky Tonk]

Only in your eyes apparently, millions of others disagree.

And read your post to wussy fuck your self.

Millions of people think McDonald's is the cat's ass, [[which it probably is) but that doesn't mean it's good or good for you. Oh, and thank you, you too.

[Pam]

My question is why no blue state has advanced a single payer health plan. My answer is that Democratic politicians are as much on the hook for campaign contributions from the same factions as Republicans.

Yes. Too many politicians of both parties are bought by the insurance and pharma industries.

https://youtu.be/Ng2FNvShMpo

[canuck]

To 313wx and oladub,

Bernie Sanders also campaigned on the issue of lower tuitions which are another part of the big picture as you stated, 313wx. Another reason for high cost of medical is the vast difference in costs that are incurred by medical faculty graduates. Most wealthy countries have a fraction of the high tuitions and some don't have any. I believe Canada has the 2nd highest cost of meds after the US because of our proximity. Pharma companies always invoke the possibility of moving their HQs and labs from Canadian cities when questions about cost reduction arise. So, in a system where the high education fees are normal, the cost deferred to insurers amalgamating the monies to Hospitals and clinics, the cost needs to be high.

Who profits the most? The insurer. He can justify the high cost and benefits from a higher margin than in other countries. The system may have fewer hurdles in providing services, accruing technology because institutions can always add on the costs since the private insurer has fewer stops than the Universal one. Insurers want Health Care to be expensive and will do everything possible to maintain ever-growing margins. This includes, indeed justifies ever higher education costs. These entry level costs to the medical profession are part of the conditioning that goes with approval for a lifestyle, a set of privileges that sets apart doctors from the rest in a well planned way, and again, it all seems very normal.

[oladub]

I mentioned the Canadian Consul. This was about 10 years ago. He made a couple of points about Canadian single payer plans' treatment of doctors. At the time, doctors could only be sued for a maximum of $10,000 in Canada. This meant that there was no need for doctors to buy liability insurance and pass those costs on. Consider if a doctor works 220 days a year and has to pay e.g. $80,000/year liability insurance. That would work out to about $320 of liability insurance a doctor has to pass on to however many patients he/she sees on an average day. Also, when government paid for medical school tuition, doctors could not cite the sacrifice they went through paying medical school tuition as a basis for making mega-salaries for the rest of their careers. As it stands, Democrats are the party most opposed to tort reform liability limits.

[canuck]

Yes. The above point you bring up serves to illustrate the huge profits insurers make when the legal system feeds on the medical system. Now, try to disentangle and do away with all that whipped cream that topped this lucrative cake for so long, alongside the alternative systems worldwide that followed another path.

[coracle]

Millions of people think McDonald's is the cat's ass, [[which it probably is) but that doesn't mean it's good or good for you. Oh, and thank you, you too.

Haven't tried the cats ass but I never pass on Sausage McMuffin with Egg and Cheese on a Bagel slathered with ketchup and fries on the side with ketchup; washed down with a Senior Coffee. I gorra go, it's given me the urge!

While I'm wolfing "them" down I'll be enjoying looking at Jimaz post #140, which did my job for me, by adding to the "recent unusual flood" of the picture as well as prompting your own added reproduction attached to appropriate comments.

Life is good at Mcdonald's at breakfast time. [[I might try the cat's ass).

[Honky Tonk]

Haven't tried the cats ass but I never pass on Sausage McMuffin with Egg and Cheese on a Bagel slathered with ketchup and fries on the side with ketchup; washed down with a Senior Coffee.

Mmmmmmmm.... Heart stopping goodness!

[coracle]

Mmmmmmmm.... Heart stopping goodness!

Thanks for the warning! But i think i've taken care of the "Heart stopping goodness!" by having it on a Bagel so i don't have to eat the [[w)hole. If I have miscalculated it's still a great way to "go."

[MizMotown]

Let the churches fund the universal healthcare... just sayin'

[Bong-Man]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/...9321497551182/

I'm surprised this action didn't receive more discussion from the media, as I see it as a direct shot at the President. A 98-2 vote is rare these days, and I think Tillerson's explanation is exactly why it did pass 98-2. Even Republicans speaking publicly for him are secretly jumping ship. It also brings up the effects the Russian investigation and other lunacies of this administration may have long-term when it comes to eroding the powers of the Executive branch.

[oladub]

The two votes against increased sanctions were those of Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders.

[313WX]

The two votes against increased sanctions were those of Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders.

Sounds about right.

Something tells me that deep down, Bernie isn't buying the Russia BS either [[seeing it for what it really is, a distraction by Hillbots) and is only towing the line to appease the Democrats.

[GMan]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/...9321497551182/
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This exemplifies the deep state as again they try to weaken the presidency and it's powers if it goes against their desires, not the countries interests.

If Mueller is expanding his investigation into D.T.'s business holdings, I hope he is willing to look at other prominent Russian dealings.

Starting with H.R.C. okaying the deal for U.S. uranium mining interests to be sold to a Russian company and the Clinton foundations enrichment with a donation from the purchaser.
How about Biden son's contracts with a Ukranian Oil company? Or Harry Reid's son's involvement with a Chinese Solar Company. Don't forget Tillerson's Exxon involvement and his involvement over Russia sanction violations. What about Podesta's involvment in a Russian company with ties to the Kremlin that pumped $35million into a small "green energy" startup with the ok of H.R.C.

There's plenty of fish to fry. But they keep fishing the same fishing hole hoping for a catch.
By keeping the president in check and preventing his policies from going into effect, lawmakers protect their vital interest of making $$$.