Welcome To Trump World

[oladub]

Will they pay for it? Will they? Or is that just what the latest public office seeking charlatan has told you, in order to attain your misinformed vote. Seems to me the last time someone told us that a foreign country would pay for a national border barrier, the masses were duped. But I'm sure you'd run right back down that rabbit hole, for reasons uncomprehending once more. Maybe you think you'll be rich if said candidate rose to power, and swing big power-broker deals at the head of a war room table. It's just envy though.

No one will pay for Trump's wall; certainly not Democrats wanting to change voting dynamics or 1% Republicans and Democrats looking for cheap labor and high profits at the expense of American workers. Fining cheating employers who profit from cheaper foreign labor would go a long way but neither party seems willing to antagonize those employers. Increasing tariffs on all thing Mexican and wherever else illegals come from to cover taxpayer costs would work too except, again, neither party would support that.

Trump's wall would be a waste of money anyway. The Chinese wall worked fairly well until traitorous Chinese officials accepted bribes and opened its gates to Mongols. As soon as we elect another Bush or Obama, the gates of Trump's wall will similarly be swung open to economic invaders and maybe more. A compromise would be to use legislation from Reagan's time, supported by even Sen. Clinton, to erect modern border fences copying Israel's model. At least if another Bush or Obama is elected, we wouldn't have wasted the extra billions.

[canuck]

No one will pay for Trump's wall; certainly not Democrats wanting to change voting dynamics or 1% Republicans and Democrats looking for cheap labor and high profits at the expense of American workers. Fining cheating employers who profit from cheaper foreign labor would go a long way but neither party seems willing to antagonize those employers. Increasing tariffs on all thing Mexican and wherever else illegals come from to cover taxpayer costs would work too except, again, neither party would support that.

Trump's wall would be a waste of money anyway. The Chinese wall worked fairly well until traitorous Chinese officials accepted bribes and opened its gates to Mongols. As soon as we elect another Bush or Obama, the gates of Trump's wall will similarly be swung open to economic invaders and maybe more. A compromise would be to use legislation from Reagan's time, supported by even Sen. Clinton, to erect modern border fences copying Israel's model. At least if another Bush or Obama is elected, we wouldn't have wasted the extra billions.

There's so much to be said about your valuable input here, oladub. You might even say it is useless to build a wall unless one is willing to contemplate physical divisions between your own states of the union.

The fact that differences in labor costs and working conditions are all over the map, that Union labor contracts are recognized in some states and inexistant in others does nothing to advance this so-called leveling of the field between neighboring countries. Michigan and California vs Tennessee and Georgia.

It all comes down to building walls or bridges. Lol

[oladub]

There's so much to be said about your valuable input here, oladub. You might even say it is useless to build a wall unless one is willing to contemplate physical divisions between your own states of the union.

The fact that differences in labor costs and working conditions are all over the map, that Union labor contracts are recognized in some states and inexistant in others does nothing to advance this so-called leveling of the field between neighboring countries. Michigan and California vs Tennessee and Georgia.

It all comes down to building walls or bridges. Lol

canuck, Increasing the labor supply depresses wage scales. Whether jobs are sent overseas to access cheaper foreign labor or cheaper foreign labor is brought in, the results are the same. American workers are forced to compete with cheaper and larger pools of labor. You might as well be a cheerleader for the 1%.

States do have different internal laws and wage rates. There remains a national border; what's left of it. The billionaire CEO of Starbucks, a beneficiary of cheap labor, says this in no time for walls and nationalism. Workers can usually move from one state to the next to take advantage of wage differences, differing laws, or better weather. Your walls vs. bridges cliche is lame. Cheap labor allows our billionaire class to build 'bridges' to go wherever they want to go while pontificating along the way. The 1%, in the U.S., already owns 38.6% of the national wealth [[2017). Access to cheaper foreign labor and suppressing U.S. wages will only increase that percentage.

[canuck]

That billionaire class again, all the ills of humanity falls on its shoulders. Trump.will save your country from them.

On a side note, outside the scope of client attorney privilege, our friend Cohen got richer there for a while getting lobby retainers for the privilege of being close to a particular client. He was not a registered lobbyist, nor was he successful in advancing multiple agendas, but the billionaire class seemed.to think in all their wisdom that the Potus might be touched by the attention.

[coracle]

Nah, the pussy grabber is the only one in my sightlines. The others are just collateral damage.

[bust]

Coracle, are you the kind of guy who'd refuse to wear a kippah at a jewish wedding? And if so, why? What is the important point that would make?

[coracle]

Coracle, are you the kind of guy who'd refuse to wear a kippah at a jewish wedding? And if so, why? What is the important point that would make?

If they hadn’t tried to disparage my beliefs I would be happy to recognize theirs. So I’d be happy to wear a kippah for that reason; and I guess the important point would be, we all reap what we sow. [[I need to remember that one). Hope you enjoy a DRY [[from rain) Mother’s Day, bust. I’m off to Ann Arbor; not with a kippah but I’m taking an umbrella!

[oladub]

Trump and Trudeau find themselves at about the same place in approval polls. While Trump's Real Clear Politics average of polls approval rating stands at -12.9%; up from over -20% in October [[a tie at Rasmussen), Prime Minister Dress-up's ratings have been in decline. One recent poll has Trudeau's approval-disapproval rating at -16% on March 19. Considering that Trudeau, unlike Trump, benefits from having the press in his corner, falling poll numbers do not bode well for Trudeau.

[Canadian Visitor]

Trump and Trudeau find themselves at about the same place in approval polls. While Trump's Real Clear Politics average of polls approval rating stands at -12.9%; up from over -20% in October [[a tie at Rasmussen), Prime Minister Dress-up's ratings have been in decline. One recent poll has Trudeau's approval-disapproval rating at -16% on March 19. Considering that Trudeau, unlike Trump, benefits from having the press in his corner, falling poll numbers do not bode well for Trudeau.

Wandering a tad from the core subject of the thread.

But...

Trudeau is not despised in Canada writ large.

What he is, is a disappointment.

But one must make note of the standard against which he is measured [[a fair one).

He is judged on both style and substance.

He's fairly good at the former, Canadians are finding him a tad lacking in the other.

That said, unlike the glorious leader [[Trump) he has managed to fulfill a few key promises and has, by and large, recent India trip aside, acquitted himself well in international matters.

Its that he's failed on a few key promises, and that some of the actions of his government have not matched rhetoric to action that leave many, understandably disappointed.

Nothing so positive can be said of his orangeness.

[Honky Tonk]

Wandering a tad from the core subject of the thread.

But...

Trudeau is not despised in Canada writ large.

What he is, is a disappointment.

But one must make note of the standard against which he is measured [[a fair one).

He is judged on both style and substance.

He's fairly good at the former, Canadians are finding him a tad lacking in the other.

That said, unlike the glorious leader [[Trump) he has managed to fulfill a few key promises and has, by and large, recent India trip aside, acquitted himself well in international matters.

Its that he's failed on a few key promises, and that some of the actions of his government have not matched rhetoric to action that leave many, understandably disappointed.

Nothing so positive can be said of his orangeness.

Thanx for visiting! Have a nice day! Say "Hi" to true-doh! for me!

[canuck]

Ahhh, Cripes. Seems like there might be sumpin' connecting Da Donald to his son DaDonald Jr at a meeting he had with a Russian operative. A phone call he had with an unmarked number.

Honey, don't shrink da kids. Haw!

Da North Korea thing is gonna be a big ugly dangerous fail and the Jerusalem thing... Let's not even mention it, Okay?

Please.

[Jimaz]

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Death of a Euphemism

Well, that explains that.

[GMan]

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Death of a Euphemism

Well, that explains that.

Aw gee.... are the Dem's are losing at the game of double speak. I thought they invented it.

[bust]

The Alt-Right Playbook: The Death of a Euphemism

Well, that explains that.

Thanks for sharing. That was great!

[[And who couldn't have predicted the first Trumpist response.)

[bust]

DHS has discovered sophisticated cell phone surveillance devices have been installed to intercept communications around the White House.

Meanwhile, despite his incessant calls to lock up Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server for sensitive communications [[which I also strongly oppose), Trump hypocritically flouts established protocol and common sense to use a private cell phone lacking basic security features for his communications.

But no matter. Just as with the countless other inconvenient facts that have surfaced proving Trump's gross negligence [[or worse), his supporters won't give a damn.

DHS found evidence of cell phone spying near White House
It all only increases security concerns about President Trump's cell phone usage.
https://arstechnica.com/information-...r-white-house/

‘Too inconvenient’: Trump goes rogue on phone security
The president has kept features at risk for hacking and resisted efforts by staff to inspect the phones he uses for tweeting.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...hackers-601903

[Richard]

Lol the cell grabbers were called out on in DC and actually all over the country 5 years ago,now it is the currant presidents fault or drawback?

5 years later and nobody cared before enough to ask,the cell companies knew they were bolted to their towers,they knew that they were not thiers,you try and climb a cell tower and bolt your private property to their tower and they will know about it,they would remove it and have you jailed.

But hey let's not hold them to the fire,blame it on Trump and make him the issue instead of the real issues.

Has nothing to do with Trump supporters not giving a damn,nobody gave a damn 5 years ago so why cry about it now.

With the newer technology they can stick them up in an attic and nobody would know it was there,it is spilled milk.

[coracle]

Damn Trump World! Great Employment figures for May; lowest unemployment figure for 20 years; highest minority employment for many years; looks like meeting with Kim is on; trading partners are squealing over losing their ability to keep screwing the US; the Left is finding it necessary to ratchet up their hate, etc., etc. Like Trump promised, we’re going to get tired of winning [[Just wait until the “Mid-Terms”).

I think if I was legal and a democrat I’d move to Mexico before they close the border to stop their nationals streaming back.

Bet the Russians wish they’d never colluded with Trump.

[bust]

Lol the cell grabbers were called out on in DC and actually all over the country 5 years ago,now it is the currant presidents fault or drawback? ...blame it on Trump and make him the issue instead of the real issues.

You missed the point entirely. Blame Trump for blatantly disregarding security experts and established security protocol and lazily and/or petulantly continuing to use cell phones that are easily susceptible to surveillance and hacking. Especially when it's been known for years that this behavior puts our national security at risk.

And want to talk "real issues"? If this hasn't been real enough, go at it. I wish there weren't so endlessly many reasons to malign our dried grape president for the way he's been mishandling our interests.

Trump isn't leading anywhere good.

If there's any consolation [[and I hope I'm not wrong), it seems there are fewer and fewer holdouts like you who still don't understand. It's no consolation they're just as screwed.

[Maof]

The Donald can't stand being embarrassed because no one wants to attend...

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2...ng_eagles.html

Jim Kenney tells it like it is

[coracle]

Previous Presidents would have preferred to pee their pants than make such a firm decision; except obama of course who would have been the first one to take a knee.

Who’s Jim Kennedy?

[Honky Tonk]

Who’s Jim Kennedy?

Bill's brother...

[Canadian Visitor]

An article on how Trump's trade war is likely a shot in the foot, at least on aluminum.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...-manufacturers

[TKshreve]

The Donald can't stand being embarrassed because no one wants to attend...

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2...ng_eagles.html

Jim Kenney tells it like it is

Just one more of countless litmus tests that this president is one of the least liked presidents we have seen in office in over 100 years.

Has there even been a remotely similar situation to this with any of our past presidents? Trump looks like a petulant child in this situation. So telling.

[Richard]

An article on how Trump's trade war is likely a shot in the foot, at least on aluminum.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...-manufacturers

My costs on aluminum and steel went up 30% 4 month's ago as I was told because of the tariffs,which was actually before they were even implemented,but it does not matter because you just pass the increases down to the end consumer.

Reading the other links provided in that link you see a storm brewing over corporation taxation in Canada and the fear of companies moving to the US.

In the I am screaming over tariffs link,it refers to companies that do 90% of their business in the US,so why would you have a company that bears the costs of sending 90% of your business over the border.

Would it not be more cost effective to locate where 90% of your business is located?

So if changing the corporate tax structure in the US to be more cost effective and implementing tariffs in Canada it would be more cost effective for those companies to locate or repatriate back to the US.

Look back at 2015 - 2016

Alcoa Inc said on Thursday it will permanently close its 269,000 tonne-per-year Warrick Operations smelter in Evansville, Indiana, by the end of first quarter, the latest in a string of U.S. smelter curtailments as producers struggle with tumbling prices.

Warrick's closure demonstrates the pain the industry is feeling from the sharp drop in aluminum prices on the London Metal Exchange , which fell 18.6 percent in 2015 and are hovering near 6-1/2 year lows at $1,475 a tonne as demand wanes in top-consumer China due to slowing economic growth.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-alc...-prices-2016-1

So basically every other country in their own best interest enjoyed the liberal trade agreements and dumped steel and aluminum on our market to the point it was not feasible to continue production in this country,so our plants shut down,laid off workers and outsourced our economy and capabilities for production.

So dump cheap products on our market,eliminate our production capabilities,which in turn causes us to be controlled by a foreign nation subject to what ever price they demand because we will have no other choice.

It is the job of every countries leader in the world to look after the citizens best interests first and foremost,if people have a problem with that then it is their problem,nothing personal but if I have to pay a little bit more for something and the end result is more Americans are employed with a decent paying job that they can raise a family and better their life,then so be it.

Other presidents in the past have placed tariffs and the other countries survived,if that tariff spells the end of Canada and it will no longer exist because of them,then you really have bigger problems then a 10% tariff.

We have one of the largest markets in the world and yet everybody else wants to dictate to us on how we do business while not one of those countries would ever allow us to dictate to them on how to run their economy.

[Canadian Visitor]

Other presidents in the past have placed tariffs and the other countries survived,if that tariff spells the end of Canada and it will no longer exist because of them,then you really have bigger problems then a 10% tariff.

Where do you get this @!#$ from?

Who said it would be the end of Canada?

The whole point of that article was that Aluminum production in Canada won't be affected.

That our largest smelters raised their prices months ago in anticipation of the tariffs and simply booked the profits when the tariffs were delayed.

Point being, this will not bring back any aluminum jobs in the US and will in fact raise costs for aluminum dependent manufacturing in the US making US products LESS competitive in the international market.