Welcome To Trump World

[Richard]

^ okay,Trumps an ass for useing children and their pictures in order to gain support for a cause instead of merits. Happy now?

[Maof]

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[oladub]

Treatment of Elian Gonzalez under Bill Clinton

Also an estimated 60,000,000 future American children were extricated by abortion Since Roe. I support the right of women to choose to ... but somehow Democrats add a weird sacramental spin promoting abortion. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce wouldn't be so hot to have open borders cheap labor if that 60M figure was half that amount.

Families wanting to reunite should be offered free and immediate repatriation. It is difficult feeling sorry for people who violate our laws knowing the consequences although it isn't the fault of children that their parents are criminals. No one has explained why the children of incarcerated foreign lawbreakers should be given preferential treatment over the children of incarcerated Americans whose children are sent to foster homes.

[Zacha341]

^^^ There you go, bringing up old stuff [[Clinton - Elian)!

Yep, it's a mess. Filled with hypocrisy and deceit on all sides, IMO.

[Maof]

https://boingboing.net/2018/06/19/wa...lewandows.html

[carolcb]

It all goes back to Trump making fun of the reporter with MS. And when he said there were good people on both sides of the Charlottesville KKK rally. Or when he wanted the Central Park 5 crucified. He has been telling people who he was from day one, but the republicans and evidently a bunch of white democrats didn't care. Afraid of the OTHER! What are we going to do? Our lives are so shitty, I cannot buy the new Lincoln! My 3 carat diamond isn't enough! Our cottage up north isn't as nice as the Jones' cottage! Skippy didn't get into Albion! It is all Obama's fault! Don't act like this isn't reality, because a good portion of the people that I went to HS and college with - this is who they have become. They all pissed on the unions, they pissed away the school systems....because those people don't deserve what we have - they didn't work as hard as we did, they are not ******** [[insert whatever word you want). I know people who are still pissed off that someone who isn't white got a job at Wayne Assembly and their husband didn't. And we are all paying for that now.

[Honky Tonk]

It all goes back to Trump making fun of the reporter with MS.

Maybe even back further than that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

[Jimaz]

Now We Know Who's Willing To Defend Caging Children

It's a game of morality limbo as Kirstjen Nielsen, Jeff Sessions and Laura Ingraham see if they can go as low as Donald Trump.

[Maof]

"i, i, i do not know that sir"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSkT1cY07PI


https://twitter.com/SecNielsen/statu...54306082672641


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ica_shame.html

[Richard]

The political immigration debate has been going on since the 1930s,the differences now seem to be the addition of opinions for profit.

The immigration system is and has been broken for many years but yet the only time it becomes an issue is when it becomes a tool for support,now with mid terms coming up it is time to once again use it instead of coming up with solutions.

We do love our distractions,obsessing over,locker room talk,washed up porn stars and on and on,they do nothing to resolve the currant issues other then temporary satisfaction of feeding the talk shows.

When this was front and center months ago,the public chose to point thier attention to a porn star instead of the real issue that was on the table and are now surprised at the ramifications of.

A politician was eating lunch in a Mexican restruant and the loudest voices of the protesters in the back was chastiseing him about eating in a Mexican restruant and screaming about amnesty and no borders.

When the current president took office the Mexican influx at the border dropped to almost nothing,the current situation does not even involve Mexicans but groups from the rest of South America.

To scream open borders is just silly and my guess would be the ones screaming for it would be the first to be mowed over.

No country in the world has open borders,everybody has borders and immigration control.

The most obvious thing to do would be to fix a broken system but then all that would be left to use as a political tool would be porn stars and anything else that does not offer real solutions to real problem.

If people were paying attention the current influx and situation was a mass effort designed to do exactly what it is doing,overwhelming the border station enmass knowing full well that it was not equipped to handle that kind of volume.

We pay Mexico 1.6 billion to help enforce their southern border and that was working,they took the money and stepped aside in this case because of the large amount of the group.

You can bet that if they had not stepped aside and followed their usual enforcement tactics family seperation would be the least of the worries,the men would have been sent directly to prison with no representation the fate of the wome and children would have depended on how cute they are,usually it is a rape and send them on their way.

At any rate there are several resolutions in front of congress right now and I would guess a solution will come up in order to quell the issiue,so it does not become ammunition for the mid terms.

Most likely the "FEMA" camps built during the bush administration.

It takes 180 days for a judge to determine the outcome of an asylum seeker,with the mass of the current group the would translate into around 30 million,but it is the government paying for it and it is free money.

Focus in the issues and leave the porn stars to the tabloids.

[carolcb]

Our president is paying off his sexual partners with monies given to his run for office, those monies are not supposed to be used for that. The current situation has nothing with porn stars versus immigration. The fact is he - Donald J. Trump, has turned every day into a destruction of hundreds of things this country is built on. If he wasn't a scum ball of the highest order, a racist, a non-intellectual; someone who is used to buying people off to get his way - we would not be chasing Scott Pruitt, the emoluments clause, Playboy bunnies, wasting taxpayers money at his trashy mansion in Florida - or 60 other things. SO don't blah blah blah into thinking this is anyone's fault but his and his administration. The porn star might end up taking him down, and if so, I am all for it. He can think he is above the law, but he is not.

[Bong-Man]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Now that Corporate America got their tax cut, it's time to worry about the cost of the social safety net. People need to realize that President Trump is nothing more than a distraction from Repugnant business as usual. Infestations, quoting from the bible, shit-hole countries, sons of bitches, etc....all meant to distract and rally the ignorant for the same old GOP policies of the past.

As far as I can tell, Trump has told the truth exactly twice. Once when he proclaimed, "I could shoot a man on 5th avenue". The other was in the Bahamas at a meeting of the elite after the corporate tax cut...."You should all thank me, because I just made you a lot richer". Everything else has been a sales job and pandering to the ignorant with fear....mostly white and old. These are people who actually think their generation will be different...they won't see America change. It's all just temporary though. History is not on his or their side, and it may take a while, but the backlash is going to be severe. America eventually tires of everyone's act, and Donald Trump's will be no different.

Not much surprises or angers me much these days, but Beauregard Sessions did. Quoting the Bible was bad enough, but doing it with the smugness of a 7th grader really annoyed me. Keep the invisible man and your false egotistical dreams of living forever to yourself.

[carolcb]

thank you bong man you are making me feel better about society. i am not kidding.

[Richard]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Now that Corporate America got their tax cut, it's time to worry about the cost of the social safety net. People need to realize that President Trump is nothing more than a distraction from Repugnant business as usual. Infestations, quoting from the bible, shit-hole countries, sons of bitches, etc....all meant to distract and rally the ignorant for the same old GOP policies of the past.

As far as I can tell, Trump has told the truth exactly twice. Once when he proclaimed, "I could shoot a man on 5th avenue". The other was in the Bahamas at a meeting of the elite after the corporate tax cut...."You should all thank me, because I just made you a lot richer". Everything else has been a sales job and pandering to the ignorant with fear....mostly white and old. These are people who actually think their generation will be different...they won't see America change. It's all just temporary though. History is not on his or their side, and it may take a while, but the backlash is going to be severe. America eventually tires of everyone's act, and Donald Trump's will be no different.

Not much surprises or angers me much these days, but Beauregard Sessions did. Quoting the Bible was bad enough, but doing it with the smugness of a 7th grader really annoyed me. Keep the invisible man and your false egotistical dreams of living forever to yourself.

Dont you just hate it when the older generation gets in the way of things,they should just fade away and let the 19 year olds run the country.

After all they grew up in a time when an honest day's work paid an honest wage,when married the wife could stay home and raise the children,it still may have been tough but it was feasible.

Collage grads were coming out of college and getting jobs that paid a living wage,non collage grads could get a job in a factory,or learn a trade or skills that provided them with a decent living.

Nobody looked down on bus drivers or plumbers or factory workers,they were not thought of as lessor people,it was respectable to have any honest job.

Children were raised to respect their elders,teachers and law enforcement,and others property.

You were taught to hold the door open for the ladies and assist the elderly weather they were crossing the street or placing the groceries in their trunk.

Neighbors helped neighbors when they could and community's supported each other for the betterment of everybody in the community,a new neighbor moved in you brought them a casserole or a fresh baked pie and welcomed them.

No it was not peaches and roses for everybody but generally you recived the effort you put in.

I realize that the younger generation hates that concept of how things should be and feels everything should be provided for them because they deserve it but there is nothing that you can put in front of the older generation that they have not already seen or been there.

We or they have been around enough to know that if you run head long into that brick wall it will hurt and really do not wish to travel down that road because we already know from past experiences what exactly is going to happen when you go there.

The younger generation can experiment with social changes or governmental changes but I can guarantee that there is not one senairo that you can come up with that thousands before have not already tried.

Try your little open borders stuff and social experiments and you can bet your bottom dollar you will get push back from those that have been there done that,if you want to go off somewhere on your own and try things fine just do not ask us to pay for it.

You are right Americans do get tired of the run around and make a change,did you stop for a minute and think just maybe that is what got Trump elected.

[Richard]

^ ^ so all you have to do is prove where he has broken the law while in office,see how easy that is.

Our personal feelings do not stand up in a court of law,and innuendos are not considered facts.

Like you posted,the current situation has nothing to do with immigration,we agree on that.

Judging from what we see coming from so called intellectuals they do seem to be in short supply across the board.

Facts and proof Back accusations up not personal feelings.

I thought bla bla bla was rather fitting,because that is 90% of what it is.

People are more obsessed with who he may or may not have banged,what he may or may not have grabbed or what he may or may not have done while he was a private citizen then they are about mass transit,options for recent college grads,skills training and the things that really matter to the adverage American,or maybe they are just looking for reasons to keep people down in the dirt so they can look like the savior when they throw them a bone and look like they have the higher moral ground while being fake.

It could be argued that Mayor Duggan has baggage from the past and is far from perfect,but it could also be argued that in spite of all of that, many feel given the current situation he is the best man for the job.

Trying to gain support in order to justify your personal feelings by disrespecting millions of fellow Americans is lower then the current president has or maybe could go,and people call him traitorous.

If one seeks to take the higher moral ground they have to practice it first.

[Maof]

This is a human and moral issue. Obama AND Bush did not detain nearly as many immigrants and their children were quickly reunited with parents. Some have compassion, others do not. Definitely another black eye for this administration. But unfortunately, this most likely, will not deter his supporters.

As just reported, Kirstjen Nielsen is drafting an order to end the separation policy immediately.

[Richard]

This is a human and moral issue. Obama AND Bush did not detain nearly as many immigrants and their children were quickly reunited with parents. Some have compassion, others do not. Definitely another black eye for this administration. But unfortunately, this most likely, will not deter his supporters.

As just reported, Kirstjen Nielsen is drafting an order to end the separation policy immediately.

Nothing wrong with compassion but the reality is you just cannot allow mass migration across the border without providing an end result,as we see with DACA.

Compassion needs to be fair across the board,for those escaping and for those bearing the cross of going through the legal channels.

There are millions that would like a better life in America and we cannot afford to allow unregulated access of open borders,unless they take everybody's tax returns at the end of the year to pay for it.

California and most inner cities should be a glaring example of what happens when the balance is no longer there,people end up in the streets and suffering,I am crazy I guess but I feel they deserve a little compassion also.

Hopfully they will get it resolved,a long term solution towards total immigration reform is enacted so in the future this does not happen across the board and it is done fairly across the board for everybody,but I also think unicorns are pretty cool and would like to have one.

But at least the band aid industry stays propped up.

Not for nothing but I did post the link that showed the amount of families detained by administration,the only thing that changed was the court order that miniors could not be detained in a federal facility.

That was done by a federal judge that had compassion and did not want children traumatized while being held in a federal prison like setting.

People were glossing over a porn star at that time and were not paying attention to what was happening.

Add the massive amount that showed up at one time in this case overwhelming BP facilities it was a recipe for disaster.

But why all of the sudden was a large amount of refugees organized and marched 30 days through some of the most dangerous terrain,like it was never done in the past.

This was a well organized and backed move for a reason,most guides can handle groups of 10 or 15 max,this was thousands that had no money,families that required food,armed security,medical care,and even sleeping tents along the way for 30 days.

That is at least a $100,000 endeavor,who Finianced it expecting not a dime in return and what was the motive ?

[oladub]

This is a human and moral issue. Obama AND Bush did not detain nearly as many immigrants and their children were quickly reunited with parents. Some have compassion, others do not. Definitely another black eye for this administration. But unfortunately, this most likely, will not deter his supporters.

As just reported, Kirstjen Nielsen is drafting an order to end the separation policy immediately.

Yes, allowing illegal aliens into the United States to displace U.S. workers, keep a lid on wages, and take away educational and health benefits designated for Americans is a social and moral issue. Since only about 2,000 of the 12,000 children and teenagers under detention came with their parents and this program hasn't been going on for long, I'm surprised that "Obama AND Bush did not detain nearly as many immigrants and their children were quickly reunited with parents." Of course those two were open border presidents without compassion for, or whom at least didn't prioritize American workers so maybe you are correct. American parents who wind up in jail for misdemeanors or crimes are also separated from their children who are placed in foster homes. Just my opinion but, unlike the open borders crowd, I don't think that illegal alien lawbreakers should be treated better than American lawbreakers.

Even Canada incarcerates some children.

"Children", actually 50% 16 and 17 year olds, were housed in similar buildings with chain link separations [["cages" in open border lingo) under Obama. Lots of photos.

[Richard]

^ "What's going on in the United States is wrong," said Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Wednesday. "I cannot imagine what the families are going through. This is not how we do things in Canada."

But yet they are doing the exact same thing.

Perfect example of those taking the higher moral ground while rolling around at the bottom of the ditch.

It reminds me of preachers that talk a good game from the pulpit on Sunday morning but by Monday afternoon have broken every vow they preached about.

[canuck]

For Richard;


"Those Were The Days"
by Lee Adams and Charles Strouse

Boy, the way Glen Miller played. Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Dodgers win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.
Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don't know just what went wrong. Those Were The Days

[canuck]

For Richard;

"Those Were The Days"
by Lee Adams and Charles Strouse

Boy, the way Glen Miller played. Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Dodgers win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.
Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don't know just what went wrong. Those Were The Days

[Richard]

lol I will not repeat it a 3rd time,and close but not that old.

Hoover was an ass and that history shows us what happens when you use hatred and fear as a manipulative tool against the public.

I think Trump became a spineless lizard by signing the EO,but am sure he has something else up his sleeve.

I really like the combining of the department of education with the department of labor currently in progress,if they can get their heads together that should help millions of Americans prepare for the workforce verses just being dumped into it,like never before in the past.

People can say and feel what they like but if he can deal with the infrastructure,jobs and skills training and immigration reform,I do not care if he swings naked off of the top of the sears tower.

Those things,if delt with,will positively directly effect millions of Americans daily lives and future.Everything else is just rhetoric.

[canuck]

Just don't please little Jeezus let him fall off the ledge. lol

[Jimaz]

The Story Behind TIME's Trump 'Welcome to America' Cover

[oladub]

The Story Behind TIME's Trump 'Welcome to America' Cover

Referring to my post #1280 and Richard's post #1285 although it isn't supported with a link- This is wonderful propaganda that Goering would have approved of. But when it turns out, as it apparently has, that the little girl was, according to her father, never separated from her mother and the mother abandoned her husband and her other kids in pursuit of a "better life", it become more difficult to keep up the hateful anti-Trump narrative. But like Goering said, if a lie is told often enough, the lie gains a life of its own. Where are all the pictures of poverty in America; of American children suffering because their parents live in poverty having been displaced by cheaper foreign workers or were dragged off to foster homes when their parent was hauled off to jail? Where are the photos of Iraqi and Libyan children who were killed with American bombs? Many of the same members of Congress who were silent or supportive of those wars are now sanctimoniously berating Trump for trying to uphold our own border. Even if the little girl had been separated from her mother, why should lawbreaking illegal parents be treated preferentially to lawbreaking American parents?