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[Honky Tonk]

Because trump colluded with Russia. Proven in an article I read online. Today. Go look it up and prove that I'm lying.

I bet you can't.

Why don't you just post a link to your article/proof, TKshreve, and save everyone the trouble? I know I'd be interested in reading it, I'm sure others would too.

[Zacha341]

Speaking on the subject of USPS revenue, I am sure the eBay folk have helped keep them solvent. Though our packing and packaging is probably less tidy!

[Honky Tonk]

Hah! I've read the book of Romans enough to be wary! ----

I've listened to Michael Franti's "Home" repeatedly....

[Richard]

Speaking on the subject of USPS revenue, I am sure the eBay folk have helped keep them solvent. Though our packing and packaging is probably less tidy!

They deliver for Amazon on sundays and I have had them deliver as late as 9 pm but they do not do it for EBay.

My thinking is Amazon made a deal with the USPS for a rate cheaper then the other shippers,then what is going to happen is as Amazon transition into its own shipping company it will undercut everybody else until they close up then we will be left with no choice but to pay the rate they will demand.

Once they control the market nobody will be able to enter because at that time they can drop rates in order to bankrupt whoever tries to enter.

We are reverting back to the Titian days of a few corporations controlling most of every aspect of our lives.

[Honky Tonk]

They deliver for Amazon on sundays and I have had them deliver as late as 9 pm but they do not do it for EBay.

My thinking is Amazon made a deal with the USPS for a rate cheaper then the other shippers,then what is going to happen is as Amazon transition into its own shipping company it will undercut everybody else until they close up then we will be left with no choice but to pay the rate they will demand.

Once they control the market nobody will be able to enter because at that time they can drop rates in order to bankrupt whoever tries to enter.

Richard, being "kinda" involved with shipping and receiving, I can assure you there are different rates for different kinds of customers. USPS, who I use regularly and swear by not @, had to do the same, if they wanted to be competitive and stay in business. Remember when UPS was all the rage? USPS was loosing their skivvies. They had to change, their very existence demanded it. I wouldn't think of using UPS today, their pricing is higher for the average consumer, and your package is dead in the water on weekends.

[aj3647]

My thinking is Amazon made a deal with the USPS for a rate cheaper then the other shippers,then what is going to happen is as Amazon transition into its own shipping company it will undercut everybody else until they close up then we will be left with no choice but to pay the rate they will demand.

So you want policy to be made based on your hunches and assumptions, or are you privy to "classified information?"

Amazon does not have anything close to a monopoly on retail or even e-commerce retail, and it's ridiculous to suggest that they do. Last I checked, there were still plenty of brick and mortar stores out there that sell everything under the sun, as well as plenty of online companies doing the same that aren't named "Amazon." So what is your non-partisan economic reason then for wanting the government to destroy a private corporation?

[Richard]

So you want policy to be made based on your hunches and assumptions, or are you privy to "classified information?"

Amazon does not have anything close to a monopoly on retail or even e-commerce retail, and it's ridiculous to suggest that they do. Last I checked, there were still plenty of brick and mortar stores out there that sell everything under the sun, as well as plenty of online companies doing the same that aren't named "Amazon." So what is your non-partisan economic reason then for wanting the government to destroy a private corporation?

Amazon’s pure e-commerce revenue represents 74.1 percent of total sales while number-two Wal-Mart has e-commerce revenue of just 2.8 percent of its total sales.

http://wwd.com/business-news/financi...lers-10383750/


Amazon is, indeed, the largest online retailer in the world.

http://netonomy.net/2013/01/30/top-5-largest-online-retailers-who-companies-how-did-they-make-it/




They seem to have online sales pretty much locked down,how long do you think the remaining retailers will hold on.

Stop being a dress maker with all of the skirts and answer the question of where you got your facts of Amazon spends billions with the USPS.

Or come to the conclusion that you lied while calling somebody a liar while also calling others liars.

That is the point,nothing else,this country will reap what it sows and if you and the rest of it does not care enough about it to do something about it then they will pay the price.

I do not care if Amazon charges $100 an ounce to ship a package because I just pass the cost on to the consumer.

The only people it hurts is the small business owner so in the end we will end up with a few corperations dictating our financials.Then people crying about the nasty 1 percenters and big corperations that they created.

but most have made it clear that they want it that way anyways,and would rather support Chinese communist then their fellow Americans,while useing the bad Russians as a talking point,even if it drags this country into a third world status in the process,but hey the trade off is worth saving that dollar today.

How can we preach unfair trade practices if we allow the same thing in our own country.

So the president calls them out on it and some of the dress making public uses that as an excuse to skirt everything but what the point is.Or making excuses instead of looking at the big picture and how it effects everybody long term and short term.

[oladub]

So what is your non-partisan economic reason then for wanting the government to destroy a private corporation?

I don't have any strong formed opinion regarding anti-trust legislation. It should be noted that Democrats, progressives, and Republicans all have had their hand at breaking up companies and preventing mergers. Reagan split up the American Telephone and Telegraph Company, for instance, for having a monopoly on land lines. Some of these decisions look dated as technology marches on and trumps whatever the monopoly was. Ayn Rand, by the way, was an outspoken critic of anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation.

[Zacha341]

Often they over package too ala giant box with small item enclosed. I recycle as much as I can as an eBayer. Amazon is far bigger than US Steel! for sure. Hah - see Hyman Roth Quote!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmxluz27Q-4

How did we get to this point? Am-a-zon financial forest indeed. But should we have the government picking winners and losers?

I try not to buy stuff there to save the brick and mortar stores I support, but well..... over all I am an eBayer, and Itsy shopper too!

They deliver for Amazon on sundays and I have had them deliver as late as 9 pm but they do not do it for EBay.

My thinking is Amazon made a deal with the USPS for a rate cheaper then the other shippers,then what is going to happen is as Amazon transition into its own shipping company it will undercut everybody else until they close up then we will be left with no choice but to pay the rate they will demand.

Once they control the market nobody will be able to enter because at that time they can drop rates in order to bankrupt whoever tries to enter.

We are reverting back to the Titian days of a few corporations controlling most of every aspect of our lives.

[Richard]

Often they over package too ala giant box with small item enclosed. I recycle as much as I can as an eBayer. Amazon is far bigger than US Steel! for sure. Hah - see Hyman Roth Quote!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmxluz27Q-4

How did we get to this point? Am-a-zon financial forest indeed. But should we have the government picking winners and losers?

I try not to buy stuff there to save the brick and mortar stores I support, but well..... over all I am an eBayer, and Itsy shopper too!

I am not sure if it is the government picking winners or losers or keeping things in balance.

Years ago when I was contracting,I contracted under a national sub chain,what they would do was buy out every mom n pop sub place and convert it over to the chain,profit or not,after a few years you could not find a mom n pop place.

The goal is naturally to eliminate the competition by undercutting then raising the prices after the competition is gone.

At that time you control the product,the labor to produce and sell it and powerful enough to control the political side of things.

Notice when a poster here commented on how the president should have listened to the Koch bros advice,the power controls the mindset also.

The free market and competition works,unabated control does not,well okay it works in dictatorship situations or communism.

But it did not work out very well for Venezuela long term.

I tried Amazon a few weeks back,my dog went nuts when some woman was yelling in Spanish at my back gate,it was her and her husband delivering for Amazon out of the trunk of their car.

Interesting enough is pan am still draws revenue because they own the international flight paths in the sky,in theroy they still control the sky and every ticket that you buy,they get a cut. So controlling the market is profitable.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Fascinating point about Pan Am. Don't even get me started on the whole commercial aviation money making scams ala major carrier vs. regional thing. Where you think your flying with the larger, safer mega carriers and you're not... Saw a compelling documentary on that: FRONTLINE "Flying Cheap".

Yeah my thoughts are mixed these mega companies. Ultimately when you have less choice, you have less voice and monopolies do kill the entrepreneurial spirit that in part built this country along with the US Steel's et al. Then on the other hand sometimes you just want a deal and could not care less, is the thinking.

Good times to live in a country where you'd have to ask permission at every level. Are we headed that direction?

[aj3647]

Amazon’s pure e-commerce revenue represents 74.1 percent of total sales while number-two Wal-Mart has e-commerce revenue of just 2.8 percent of its total sales.

http://wwd.com/business-news/financi...lers-10383750/


Amazon is, indeed, the largest online retailer in the world.

http://netonomy.net/2013/01/30/top-5-largest-online-retailers-who-companies-how-did-they-make-it/




They seem to have online sales pretty much locked down,how long do you think the remaining retailers will hold on.

So Amazon's business model means that their online sales are 74.1% of their TOTAL sales, and that's supposed to mean what exactly? That they are primarily an e-commerce retailer? No shit, Sherlock. I don't think that statistic means what you think it means.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/amaz...new-study.html

Amazon was responsible for 44% of all U.S. e-commerce sales in 2017 and just 4% of all retail sales. Your own link even says that Walmart is the still the #1 retailer in America, how about Trump targets them as a monopoly?

I don't have any strong formed opinion regarding anti-trust legislation. It should be noted that Democrats, progressives, and Republicans all have had their hand at breaking up companies and preventing mergers. Reagan split up the American Telephone and Telegraph Company, for instance, for having a monopoly on land lines. Some of these decisions look dated as technology marches on and trumps whatever the monopoly was. Ayn Rand, by the way, was an outspoken critic of anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation.

We could certainly have that discussion if there were any evidence whatsoever that Amazon had a monopoly on ANYTHING or anything approaching a monopoly.

Richard's mangling of statistical meaning aside, Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on any particular good or service. Anyone who disputes that can feel free to provide market share data showing just what good or service Amazon has all but cornered the market on.

So again, I ask, what NON-POLITICAL reason does Trump have to go after Amazon? Answer, he has none. It's 100% political. He hates Jeff Bezos. It's that simple. Trump is using the power of elected office like a tin-pot dictator to settle a political grudge. That's not just my opinion either:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-...nal-1523007001

Even his own staff tried to convince him that the claims he was making about Amazon were not factually accurate, using a powerpoint presentation no less. Trump wasn't having it though.
https://uproxx.com/news/trump-amazon-powerpoint/

We're veering into Dictator Territory when the President so openly and brazenly uses his power this way. It's anti-American and yes, even anti-capitalist.

[Richard]

^ in 2013 Morgan Stanley had This to say

Ticker: AMZN
1-Yr Return:
+41.9 percent
Most disruptive force in eCommerce; continued share gain

http://www.businessinsider.com/morga...mpanies-2013-1

So from 2013 to 2016 they transitioned to this



An analysis by Slice Intelligence released this week found that 43% of all online retail sales in the US went through Amazon in 2016, as the e-commerce giant's market share continues to grow.
According to the study, which analyzed more than 4 million online purchases, Amazon accounted for the majority [[53%) of the growth in US e-commerce sales for the year.
Simply put, Amazon's already dominant share of the US e-commerce market is only increasing. It reportedly captured 33% of all US online purchases in 2015, according to Internet Retailer, up from 25% in 2012. If those estimates are correct, then the company increased its share of the US e-commerce market by 10% in 2016, an incredible accomplishment given that it already controlled such a sizeable chunk of the space.

http://www.businessinsider.com/amazo...l-sales-2017-2

So in the space of 3 years

The number of online shoppers has grown by nearly 20 million from 2015 to 2016. And these 224 million shoppers are spending more, as the total amount spent online grew from $61 billion in the first quarter of 2015 to $68 billion in Q1 2016. Finally, these customers are transacting more frequently, as the number of online transactions has risen by 115 million from 2015 to 2016.

The amount of money that Amazonmakes defies easy comprehension. The latest results from Thursday’s earnings calls with investors revealed the company made an eye-popping $60.5 billion in net sales in the holiday-fueled fourth quarter of 2017, adding to a massive $177.9 billion total revenue for the year as a whole.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-apos-net-sales-revenue-001200058.html

83% of online shoppers in the U.K. went through Amazon.

So AJ looking at the growth and impact Amazon has had in a few short years where exactly do you think they will end up ?

At the bottom?

Make it easy,whip up a e-commerence site - call it Nile or something like that and compete with Amazon,let me know how it works.

You are worried about a dictator but you lean socialist.

Would you also like one brand of car?

The big three tried that.

Would you like one supplier for tv,cable and Internet?

Would you like one supplier for cell phones and service ?

One brand of tissue to dry your tears?

Face it slick,everything you touch,taste,or feel is regulated by the government already,so why the outrage for our president doing something that has been done for the last 100 years already.

Other then nothing but because your wonderful president said it,you must resist,you keep calling others putin supporters but you actually show more commy leanings then anybody else.

[Zacha341]

That's weird. I didn't know Amazon used 'private' parties/ individuals to ship/ deliver their packages? How are these shippers tracked?? I know the phone books here used to be delivered that way [[out of peoples trunks). I thought Ammy only used UPS or USPS?

...I tried Amazon a few weeks back,my dog went nuts when some woman was yelling in Spanish at my back gate,it was her and her husband delivering for Amazon out of the trunk of their car.

[coracle]

Originally Posted by Richard ...I tried Amazon a few weeks back,my dog went nuts when some woman was yelling in Spanish at my back gate,it was her and her husband delivering for Amazon out of the trunk of their car"

They probably wanted to confuse the dog.

Maybe you came out of the house at the precise moment your previously delivered parcels were about to disappear INTO their trunk.

If it becomes a problem, you could always try a bi-lingual dog. You can probably get one from Amazon.

[[hope this thread doesn't belong to some Canadian Visitor who gets pissed off because I'm off his thread message).

[Richard]

^ meh,it is a big sandbox and we really do not believe in stifling opposing views,anything anti trump works,so it was Trumps fault.

Interesting view from way back in 2007 before the currant president rocked the world.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/ar...arch.yahoo.com


My house is vintage with a front porch where most packages are left,it is a corner house so I am not sure why she ventured down the street,the package stealers have found it condusive to their health to try that stuff in this neighborhood,they like the soft targets.

There is a Amazon center about 5 miles from me so I am thinking maybe they are useing uber like delivery,in between rides they deliver packages,maybe.

I could have used google translate to ask her but her husband was standing by the car glaring,not sure if he was there for her safety,she was cute so I really do not see her ventureing into some neighborhoods.

But one would think that creates a deep pockets liability in case of an accident unless they are sub contractors.

My dog speaks the common language of English,chomp,which most find out when they try to enter the gates,but she is slick,her tail will wag and she will look adorable enough to pet,just do not stop because then it is game over.

[Zacha341]

I have Amazon Prime and some purchased items qualify for sending to Whole Foods where they have a pickup box service. You just put in your shipping access code -- the bin pops open, you take your item. I reserve this for large items I don't want left on our porch.

[Maof]

FBI raids office of Michael Cohen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/u...ael-cohen.html

[Zacha341]

Uh-oh. Should Trump be packing his bags?

[canuck]

Uh-oh. Should Trump be packing his bags?

You mean with botox?

Any remedy for Trump is bound to be aesthetic and sup-o-ficial at best.

[aj3647]

FBI raids office of Michael Cohen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/u...ael-cohen.html

If anyone can put Trump behind bars, it's Cohen. That guy knows all of Trump's dirty secrets, stretching back decades. Probably why Trump has been shitting himself with rage on Twitter. And no, attorney-client privilege does not apply if the attorney and client have conspired or are conspiring to commit criminal acts together [[like arranging an illegal payment to a silence a porn star).

The best part of this though is that the Trump bots can't call this one a "witch hunt." Mueller passed this one off to US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman. It was Berman who got the search warrant and is pursuing the case.

Who is Geoffrey Berman? Well, for starters, he's the TRUMP-appointed U.S. attorney who replaced Preet Bharara, who was fired by Trump last year. Trump hand-picked Berman for the job after personally interviewing him. Berman is also a former law partner of major Trump supporter Rudy Giuliani and is a Trump-supporter himself, having donated $5400 to Trump's Presidential campaign in 2016 [[the maximum individual contribution allowed by law).

So what does it say then that a Trump-supporting, Trump-appointed U.S. attorney signed off on this? Well that tells me that the evidence that Mueller turned over to him was probably so overwhelming that Berman had no choice but to proceed.

Cohen is fucked. Whether he takes Trump down with him, that remains to be seen. After all the talk of Russia, it might actually be a porn star named Stormy Daniels that will take down Trump's Presidency. For all the people who mocked Daniels as a sideshow and a distraction, she's now the number one legal threat to Trump's Presidency.

[Zacha341]

Seriously speaking though this is an interesting precedent re. attorney client privilege but for the sake of removing Trump, I suppose it's ok......

Another reason I wish Trump wasn't president. He has too much baggage and some who want him impeached are will do whatever it takes to that end. What rule of law will remain in the effort?

You mean with botox?

Any remedy for Trump is bound to be aesthetic and sup-o-ficial at best.

[aj3647]

Seriously speaking though this is an interesting precedent re. attorney client privilege but for the sake of removing Trump, I suppose it's ok......

Crime-fraud exception. Google it. Communications between an attorney and client that are used to further a crime, tort, or fraud are not protected by attorney-client privilege.

If a mafia boss told his lawyer to arrange a hit on a witness against him, and the lawyer does just that, is that a protected conversation? No, it's not. That's just two criminals conspiring to break the law.

[Zacha341]

I'm very aware of the exception, no need for me to google it. Just hope all of this was done with ok of the U.S. Attorney for the district or the AAG.

And the FBI involved too. Good times, until they come your way.

Anyway just let it be over, already. Hah! Pence best get out his swearing-in suit, or will the VP thing be jettisoned as well?

[Richard]

You AJ are missing the part where most do not care what he did before coming into office,it is what he is accomplishing while in office that matters.

It is going to be a long 7 years for some or maybe better to let Pence take over and let the chips fall where they may.