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[Maof]

Is it his actual signature digitized? No one seems to be able to get the story right about the motive or impetus. LOL!

One news source [[USAToday) says he wanted his name on checks...

The other [[MSN) says the treasury ordered it?

Is the check cashable?

Who really knows but, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

[Richard]

Who really knows but, I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Ha,documented proof that even if he had said to prepare for the virus you would not have listened anyways.

[canuck]

Ha,documented proof that even if he had said to prepare for the virus you would not have listened anyways.

So, does that mean you are going to listen to your president's call to end the lockdown with demonstrations? No masks, no social distancing and why not, guns?

...or will you use your judgement, unlike we Canadians, who swallow up anything our dumb leaders mete out?

...laffs.

[Richard]

So, does that mean you are going to listen to your president's call to end the lockdown with demonstrations? No masks, no social distancing and why not, guns?

...or will you use your judgement, unlike we Canadians, who swallow up anything our dumb leaders mete out?

...laffs.

Have you been paying attention to Sweden and their reaction?

Business as usual,no lock downs,no social distancing,no closures,life goes on for them as usual.

And yet their cases are less then the rest of the world.

Take a virus that people or experts knew little about or how to react,because China did a lock down and lowered the curve that became the blueprint to follow.

What about this,they are now saying it has been around sense last September at the very least,the majority of the worlds population already has it.

It is a unique virus that mutates different in every person according to their individual immune system and the strength that they received it in.

So there are our two scenarios

The world that follows the procedures that China implemented.

Procedures that were implemented while knowing little about what they were actually dealing with.

Sweden

Implemented a carry on as usual policy,with the understanding that a percentage of the population will catch it with fatal results and there was nothing anybody can do to prevent that.

In a quarantine you isolated the sick,in a tyranny you isolate the entire population,but at the same time you are still seeing fatalities.

You can say that the fatalities would be less if you did not implement mass quarantine based on the science of it all but the science does not even know how effective it is.

The only thing the science knows is,China did it and the curve dropped.

What would the science say if China had not implemented lock down procedures and the curve also dropped?

We do not know,but the end answer will come from Sweden.

It appears to have more to do with math then science.

Do you think based on,what we did know coming out of China at the time of those who would be affected fatally,It would have been more conducive to concentrate energy towards those who are the most likely to be fatally effected,verses locking billions down and disrupting an entire world?

The only thing science knew was because China locked down a containment area they reported they stopped the spread.

We still do not and will not know for a fact that that was the determining factor or the answer.

You comment about the guns shows the typical concept of being unable to deal with more then one issue at at a time,or tunnel vision as they say.

The virus is here but life still exists outside of it,before the virus hit there was and still is a massive 2nd amendment battle going on centered in Virginia.

The showing of guns at the protests going on for the lock down is also a showing of support for those fighting to preserve the 2nd amendment rights in Virginia.

But as usual all you saw was scary guns.

You are forgetting politicians are using the distraction of the virus in order to implement or push agendas while others are not paying attention.

For instance in Michigan,you can go on the lake in a non motorized boat,that has nothing to do with social distancing and everything to do with the acceptance of the removal of motorized vessels from the waterways permanently,that is a part of the green deal.

Hong Kong while on lock down,is using the situation to round up the protestors from last years democracy rallies and arrest them.

Stay at home you get arrested,go in the streets you get arrested,no where to hide.

In Tripoli the UN forces are taking a last stand in the city as they are surrounded by LN,the city is in lock down for the virus,150,000 suburbs residents have fled to the city for protection.

So the LN forces knowing that the residents are on virus lock down are targeting the homes and hospitals that are taking care of virus patients are now under missile and bombardment attacks,no where to hide.

The LN declared a ceasefire long enough for UN Troops to drop their guard,But was really in the talks as a tactical move while they were repositioning their troops for a assault on the city,an hour later they launched their attack.

Tripoli is the Dunkirk of today,only there are no ships to rescue the residents as they are forced into the sea or slaughter.

You are aware of the Canadian troops that are there under the UN command,they also have no place to run anymore but the sea,they will also be the casualties.

44 boca haram prisoners that were in jail,died in their sleep Epstein style.

Elsewhere in Africa,tribes hunkered down in their villages have become easy targets for mass slaughter because they are now in a tight group.

Thousands are dying because of the virus while others are using the virus to kill thousands

While we lock down in this country to “stop the spread” in other countries those in lock down are prime targets for slaughter.

Because China said that was the way to prevent the spread.

We believe nothing that comes out of China but yet we locked down an entire world with devastating consequences,because China said that was the way to do it.

[Maof]

Ha,documented proof that even if he had said to prepare for the virus you would not have listened anyways.

I was prepared before because he fluffed it off for two months.

[canuck]

I was prepared before because he fluffed it off for two months.

Yeah, like when he tells people that voting by mail is a bad idea, but that hasn't stopped him from doing it.

With Chump, it's a constant barrage of lies and deceit, and the Chumpites get down on their knees and lap it up.

[Jimaz]

“Gangster in the White House”:
Noam Chomsky on COVID-19, WHO, China, Gaza and Global Capitalism

We continue our conversation with world-renowned political dissident, linguist and author Noam Chomsky. He responds to President Trump’s cuts to U.S. support for the World Health Organization and the surge in deaths in the United States to another record high, and discusses conditions in Gaza, the rise of authoritarianism around the world, and the progressive response. “This is typical behavior of autocrats and dictators. When you make colossal errors which are killing thousands of people, find somebody else to blame,” say Chomsky. “In the United States, it’s unfortunately the case, for well over a century, century and a half, that it’s always easy to blame the 'yellow peril.'”

• DemocracyNow.org

[Zacha341]

Hah! OK, who wants to be first in line to justify POTUS Trumps comments re. the protests occurring in several states in the US: "They seem to be very responsible to me"...

What? Very few masks, standing shoulder to shoulder?

I doubt we'll be having this style of protests in the D. we just don't quite have the eh' privilege...... [[sarcasm)

Imagine a protest of black folks at any capital building in the US, armed? Um, I think we know how that would have worked out. Six feet apart or otherwise!!

NO. I'm not gushing anti-gun here, or all every-things-is 'privilege' as the boiler-plate responses from the far left. Nope.

I'm simply stating that where it exists I am going to call it out [[privilege). Be it on the left, middle or elsewhere. I'm not even that surprised when it turns up on the left!

Again, I find that we, AA's are once again caught in the middle of the politics. Especially here in Detroit where C-19 numbers are very high!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/u...13f202e6b6cb52

[Zacha341]

Sigh... yes, so tiresome. I'll not be found among those attempting to follow the president around-every-corner. Nope.

Clearly, at minimal Trump made statements/ tweets etc. that conveyed that Coronavirus wasn't going to that bad here in the United State...

This is documentable withstanding the exaggerations and/ or the taking some of his quotes out of context. A remains A.

Additionally, he also made strides towards quarantine etc., at the same time some dems where also down-playing the virus [[or decrying xenophobia).

Both sides have ample blame here [[wresting against each other - bound by politics). But as POTUS, and supposed leader the buck stops... well......

I'm not part of the 'Trump is the epitome of ALL EVIL' TDS crowd. And I also KNOW that 'My president right or wrong' time wasting justification crap ain't cutting it either.

Even those who voted Trump might want to consider that.

Question remains: How do we advance a comprehensive reasonable [[non partisan reflexive) yet effective response to C-19?

So, does that mean you are going to listen to your president's call to end the lockdown with demonstrations? No masks, no social distancing and why not, guns?

...or will you use your judgement, unlike we Canadians, who swallow up anything our dumb leaders mete out?

...laffs.

[canuck]

Sigh... yes, so tiresome. I'll not be found among those attempting to follow the president around-every-corner. Nope.

Clearly, at minimal Trump made statements/ tweets etc. that conveyed that Coronavirus wasn't going to that bad here in the United State.

This is documentable withstanding the exaggerations and/ or the taking some of his quotes out of context. A remains A.

Additionally, he also make strides towards quarantine etc., at the same time some dems where also down-playing the virus [[or decrying xenophobia).

Both sides have ample blame here [[wresting against each other - bound by politics). But as POTUS, and supposed leader the buck stops... well......

I'm not part of the 'Trump is the epitome of ALL EVIL' TDS crowd. And I also KNOW that 'My president right or wrong' time wasting justification crap ain't cutting it either.

Even those who voted Trump might want to consider that.

Question remains: How do we advance a comprehensive reasonable [[non partisan reflexive) yet effective response to C-19?

You are absolutely right about the shabby side of political debate between the dems and the republicans. I don't think Biden stands for anything either, except the status quo in the soft-bellied centrist-liberal kind that the Western world has known for a good while now. Americans have seen the lustre buffed out of their country long enough to want a Chump to represent a winning posture, that's understood.

The problem with Chump is Chump, not the US, unless the US keeps voting for him, then, the US becomes more full of bluster than its ever been and begets bad sentiment from other nations...

[Jimaz]

Piers Morgan's stunning advice for his friend Donald Trump

[Jimaz]

The Liar Tweets Tonight

[oladub]

Sweden does not have 10x the infection rate of other Nordic countries or a death count significantly higher than the rest of Europe.

Known infection rate and death rate per million of Nordic countries
Iceland 5231, 29
Sweden 1505, 192
Denmark 1356, 66
Norway 1342, 34
Finland 745, 27

Death rates per million of some other states and countries-
NY State 1028
Belgium 540
Spain 464
Italy 415
France 327
Michigan 271
UK 267
Netherlands 237
Sweden 192
Switzerland 174
Ireland 156
USA 140
Germany 62
Canada 52

sources: https://www.worldometers.info/corona...n=homeAdUOA?Si
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[rb336]

Never said they did. Said the number of deaths was 10 times. Please learn how to read.
Deaths per your source:
Sweden: 2,021
Norway: 191
Finland: 172
Denmark:394
Iceland: 10

[oladub]

Never said they did. Said the number of deaths was 10 times. Please learn how to read.
Deaths per your source:
Sweden: 2,021
Norway: 191
Finland: 172
Denmark:394
Iceland: 10

Here is what you wrote: "Sweden has TEN TIMES the number of Covid-19 deaths than the other Nordic countries [[Denmark, Norway, Finland) and a death rate significantly higher than the rest of Europe."

When I add 191+172+394+10[[Iceland), I get 767. Sweden's 2021 deaths is only 2.6 TIMES "the number of Covid-19 deaths than "the other Nordic countries" , not "TEN TIMES" as you claimed.

The only meaningful way to compare CV-19 numbers is by comparing rates.

Your other claim that Sweden had "a death rate significantly higher than the rest of Europe" was also way off as Worldometer numbers showed. Sweden's death rate is only 70% that of Michigan's death rate. It would make more sense for you to be criticizing Michigan's response than Sweden's. It's more like average for a European country. Imagine that. One European country lets its citizens hang out in restaurants through this entire epidemic and its people have about the same death rate as other countries and states that have totally destroyed their economies and won't even let you buy garden seeds. What are we missing here?

[rb336]

Here is what you wrote: "Sweden has TEN TIMES the number of Covid-19 deaths than the other Nordic countries [[Denmark, Norway, Finland) and a death rate significantly higher than the rest of Europe."

When I add 191+172+394+10[[Iceland), I get 767. Sweden's 2021 deaths is only 2.6 TIMES "the number of Covid-19 deaths than "the other Nordic countries" , not "TEN TIMES" as you claimed.

Where, oh where did I ever say "combined?"

[aj3647]

For Oladub:

Obama's contribution to the national debt over eight years [[FY2010 - FY2017): $6.79 trillion

Source: https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306


Trump's contribution to the national debt over four years [[with estimates):
Amount added to date [[FY2018-FY2019): $1.76 trillion
FY2020 projected deficit [[pre-COVID): $1.1 trillion
COVID-19 Stimulus Bill: $2 trillion
COVID-19 Stimulus Bill #2: $500 billion
Estimated FY21 Budget deficit [[pre-COVID estimate): $1.1 trillion

Total: $6.46 trillion

I'm being EXTREMELY generous with Trump's numbers because:
-I didn't factor in lost tax revenue for 2020 due to the economic shutdown, which will drive the deficit even higher than the number I listed for this year
-I didn't factor in future additional COVID stimulus spending [[another bill is already in the works, to the tune of additional hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit spending)
-I didn't factor in the effect that COVID would have on the 2021 budget deficit [[it's likely to drive it far far higher than the pre-COVID estimate of $1.1 trillion).

CONCLUSION: When all is said and done, Donald J Trump will have added MORE to the national debt in just 4 years than Barack Obama did in 8. More debt in half the time. In fact, I'll go ahead right now and give my personal prediction: Trump will add $8.5 trillion to the national debt over his four year term.

What say you, Oladub?

[oladub]

For Oladub:

Obama's contribution to the national debt over eight years [[FY2010 - FY2017): $6.79 trillion

Source: https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306


Trump's contribution to the national debt over four years [[with estimates):
Amount added to date [[FY2018-FY2019): $1.76 trillion
FY2020 projected deficit [[pre-COVID): $1.1 trillion
COVID-19 Stimulus Bill: $2 trillion
COVID-19 Stimulus Bill #2: $500 billion
Estimated FY21 Budget deficit [[pre-COVID estimate): $1.1 trillion

Total: $6.46 trillion

I'm being EXTREMELY generous with Trump's numbers because:
-I didn't factor in lost tax revenue for 2020 due to the economic shutdown, which will drive the deficit even higher than the number I listed for this year
-I didn't factor in future additional COVID stimulus spending [[another bill is already in the works, to the tune of additional hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit spending)
-I didn't factor in the effect that COVID would have on the 2021 budget deficit [[it's likely to drive it far far higher than the pre-COVID estimate of $1.1 trillion).

CONCLUSION: When all is said and done, Donald J Trump will have added MORE to the national debt in just 4 years than Barack Obama did in 8. More debt in half the time. In fact, I'll go ahead right now and give my personal prediction: Trump will add $8.5 trillion to the national debt over his four year term.

What say you, Oladub?

Bush doubled the national debt adding about $5T to it. Obama doubled it again by another $9-10T depending on how it is calculated. I use your figure of Trump adding another $8.5T. Collectively, and the the extent each of those presidents and their congresses, contributed to the national debt, the national debt is a ball and chain attached to our young people and will impede our Country's future. While China is buying up the world's resources, we will be servicing that debt. Our $23T national debt, before Covid-19, equalled about $281,346 of federal debt for the average American family of four. If the historical average of bonds and other federal debt service is, for instance, 3%, then that average family of four would have to pay $8,440 a year directly and indirectly just to service the interest on that federal debt.

I share your concern that Trump, prior to Covid-19, has not done enough to cut spending. He has repeatedly given in to Democrats demands when threatened with Democratic government shutdowns. With the Democratic House holding the country at ransom for Covid-19 related spending e.g. more money for the Kennedy performing arts center, more money for NPR, and other agenda items not related to Covid-19, etc, I see little hope for any budget restraint.

It is good to see your sudden and belated concern over the federal debt. I have previously offered some suggestions to lower the federal debt:
-Bring our troops home from mid-east wars and other places,
-Phase out all federal spending not compliant with the 10th. Amendment which would include most Department of Education functions as well as most federal housing programs,
-Support for the Obama installed Simpson-Bowles commission proposals which recommended $1 of new taxes for every $2 of federal spending cuts,
-Increasing tariffs to raise the new taxes imposed by Simpson-Bowles.

So what are your proposals to eliminate at least the $3.96T of new non-Covid-19 debt that your article projected under Trump and Congress?

[Zacha341]

^^^ Yep. The only difference is that the repubs and far right were mostly silent as president Trump raised the deficit. Not all, but enough. A double standard there. They [[double standards) emerge on both sides. In the mean time our fiscal future's financially triple - mortgaged.

[Lowell]

So what are your proposals to eliminate at least the $3.96T of new non-Covid-19 debt that your article projected under Trump and Congress?

Even though I have a left-leaning perspective on most issues I'm a deficit hawk and support a balanced budget amendment. Short of defaulting on the debt, I have no answer to your question of how this year's $4 trillion [if we're lucky it's only that] run-up will be paid back. The medicine will never pass in our polarized politics--raising tax rates and cutting or at least freezing spending.

Historically such excess is paid off by devaluation that takes the form of inflation, much like the unfunded excesses of the Vietnam War and Great Society spending led to the runaway inflation of the 70's. But this time is different in that all countries in the world are running up huge debts and "a falling tide is lowering all ships" meaning the dollar should maintain its relative strength unlike the 70's.

Regarding debt incurred by president, I am of the opinion that calculation of debt incurred by each Presidency should not include the debt of their first year. That should be added to the previous President's. One cannot in a year reverse the momentum of the policy and economic failures or successes set in motion in previous years by the first year of new presidency, if not longer.

When viewed as such, Bush 2's numbers are greater because he was handed government generating a budget surplus and handed off one with record annual deficits. Taking away his first year and adding the year following his tally gives a better picture of his budget record.

[aj3647]

I share your concern that Trump, prior to Covid-19, has not done enough to cut spending. He has repeatedly given in to Democrats demands when threatened with Democratic government shutdowns. With the Democratic House holding the country at ransom for Covid-19 related spending e.g. more money for the Kennedy performing arts center, more money for NPR, and other agenda items not related to Covid-19, etc, I see little hope for any budget restraint.

Lol, Obama's deficits were all 100% him even though he had a Republican-led House for six of the eight years of his Presidency. But Trump's deficits are somehow the fault of the Democrats? He's just responsible for nothing negative in your eyes, is he? Anything good that happens is 100% due to Trump, anything bad that happens is 100% the fault of anyone other than Donald J Trump.

Nice double standard though. Democrats are responsible for 100% of all deficit spending regardless of who controls Congress or the White House. I bet Democrats were also somehow responsible for all the debt in 2018 and 2019, even though Republicans had a trifecta in Washington and it was Republicans who passed a reckless $1.5 trillion tax cut for the mega-wealthy that blew up the deficit and it was Republicans who increased military spending by $130 billion. And somehow all the COVID spending is also the fault of the Democrats even though the $500 billion stimulus slush fund for big corporations was Mitch McConnell's key demand.

Don't even let facts break your fantasy world, Oladub! Keep on keepin' on, no matter how much reality keeps knocking at your door, just ignore it!

[ABetterDetroit]

Honestly, who is dumber the POTUS or the people who believe he is smart because he told them that he is “smart”?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-advice-bleach

[aj3647]

Honestly, who is dumber the POTUS or the people who believe he is smart because he told them that he is “smart”?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-advice-bleach

We've seen it here, rather than just admit that he said something stupid, they're actually trying to argue that he's some medical genius who is smarter than all the doctors and scientists in America. They're a sick cult of truly deranged, mentally-ill people. So far here we've seen:

-One moron comparing injecting bleach to getting chemotherapy to treat cancer
-Another moron suggest, without evidence, a medical treatment designed to destroy your immune cells as a possible treatment for COVID-19.
-And then there's the King of the Morons who suggested that what Trump REALLY meant to suggest was just that we should get some more vitamin D [[even though Trump said no such thing, and getting more Vitamin D wouldn't do jack shit to stop you from being infected with a virus).

I swear to God, if Trump said "2+2=5", these dipshits would break their spines twisting into knots to argue that 2+2 really DOES equal 5.

[jcole]

Just leaving this here

[Jimaz]

Just leaving this here

Yeah, a spoonful of Clorox will make your temperature go down — to room temperature!