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[Jimaz]

Billy Crystal Used Donald Trump's Words Against a Trump Supporter

[jcole]

Bought this last night:

[canuck]

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Why,when the whole entire objective of The United States for the last 200 years was the spread of democracy across the world and ones ability to have the freedom of choice,why would he help Russia in aggression and achieving their goals of spreading communism?

Richard, the spread of democracy was the last thing on the menu successive US governments had from the time of Monroe, onwards. The mid to late ninteenth century alone is a smorgasbord of pickings the US chose from Mexico to the Philippines and a whole bunch in between. It was never about a democratic agenda.

However, if you want to take a look at the situation before the cold war started and the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned against, these are statistics on the stuff that was sent to the USSR in WW2;

The U.S., UK and Canada supplied the USSR with some $130 billion worth of supplies during WWII. Source: Anatoly Garanin / RIA Novosti


"Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy – bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt.
The first convoys with American goods were already being sent to the USSR by August 1941. Shortly afterwards the Germans found out about the convoy routes, and the allies suffered great losses. During the war Nazi submarines and torpedoes sank about 80 cargo ships destined for the USSR.
More than 14,000 U.S. airplanes, 8,000 of which came from Alaska, were given to the Soviet Union in the course of the war.
The USSR received a total of 44,000 American jeeps, 375,883 cargo trucks, 8,071 tractors and 12,700 tanks. Additionally, 1,541,590 blankets, 331,066 liters of alcohol, 15,417,000 pairs of army boots, 106,893 tons of cotton, 2,670,000 tons of petroleum products and 4,478,000 tons of food supplies made their way into the Soviet Union.

[Richard]

^ yes no dispute there,Russia was our ally at the time and the lend lease program was needed.

We did not have relations with Russia before that because the US was a closed society,outside of thier little socialist party that was established in the US.

Remember the war was already going on for 4 years before we entered it,Patton was correct when he wanted to keep going and go after Russia at that time because it would bite us later.

1938 we had no military to speak of and we would have been horses against tanks,if the United States had not started to ramp up production under the guise of lend lease we would have never been able to beat Germany.

Most of our military hardware was crap at the time compared to Germany,we just was able to produce massive amounts of it,endless supply beat out advanced technology in limited numbers.

After WW2 we gave sanctuary to the Nazis in the US because they were adamant socialist haters,and it was recognized that Russia would be the next threat.

If we had not supported Russia and Hitler took them they would have excess to millions of slave workers,oil fields and the Russian industrial complex that Germany needed to subsidize a world wide war.

We have always supported countries in their quest for democracy and we have overthrown governments in the name of it.

So how come when Poland gained independence Obama did not help arm them,right at Russia’s border,they also started with a part time army,school teachers would go after class and teach students how to handle a weapon,with no bullets,because they had none.

And we expected them to keep Russia within thier border.

Back to Syria,Russia has now told turkey to back off or they were going to escalate,they were never in Syria until spineless Obama let them in to back Assad.

If they do then the cry will be ... See told you Trump was going to start a war when it was Obama going around de-arming everybody in the name of peace and leaving them vulnerable to Russia to just walk in the door and take over.

George Washington said,you prepare for war during peacetime.

Look at how France,Holland,Poland and all the other countries fell within days because during peacetime they fought against the military build up within their country.

Millions paid the ultimate price for that.

It would be nice to live in a world where you did not need the military industrial complex but historically those who do not have it,wish they did when the time came.

They had balls though,French pilots in vintage bi planes going up against Stukas knowing they were already dead as soon as they took off,and they still did it.

Its like riding your bicycle into a semi truck hoping to crash it so it does not run over the children playing in the street corner.

Lots of necessary evils in the world.

Sunday in the Congo,the military ran through another village,44 massacred,1 pregnant mother 18 other women and children and the rest because they were there.

It is strange how it all works simply by where you are born determines weather you live from day to day.

The Middle East has come to Africa,all those countries that we bled for fighting the Nazis are now turned into killing fields,nowhere to hide anymore for them.

As much as people hate the military industrial complex and with all its downsides,if we did not have it,we would not exist as we do with our first world problems.

Sometimes you have to do unpopular things.

Actually in the case of the Ukraine,Trump did not just give them the javelin missiles,he sold them to the Ukraine and the rest is under IOU,the military complex also makes billions in weapon sales in every country.

Even Canada,face it,wherever the Stars and Stripes are,the maple leaf is also there in the shadows.

Nothing to do with anything else,did you see where they busted the CIA.

The CIA had set up under a private company and in partnership with the German intelligence,a software encryption company in Berlin.

The company had no clue they were backed by the CIA,they built encryption program that they sold to the worlds governments,they built it with a back door so they could excess it for needed “maintenance “.

The CIA used the backdoor to monitor what the governments were doing in secret.

From the Middle East to the Sudan they were into everybody’s government in real time.

The games they play.

Outside of the wackos shooting up schools,both you and I and our children grew up without the fear of being slaughtered just for our beliefs or not agreeing with whoever held political office,in South America every time they switched from democrat to socialist the incoming party massacred hundreds of thousands.

We may not agree with the need for the military industrial complex but it has provided us with a level of security that many across the world will never have.

If that military industrial complex is used against us one day,we have our own guns and will always protect that right.

You cannot say it will never happen because history also proves it does happen all of the time.

[aj3647]

Roger Stone sentenced to 3.5 years in prison. Womp womp.

[Maof]

Roger Stone sentenced to 3.5 years in prison. Womp womp.

Came out of the courthouse smiling ear to ear. Maybe because his BFF is going to give him a "get out of jail" pass.....

[Richard]

Roger Stone sentenced to 3.5 years in prison. Womp womp.

Compared to the 7 to 9 that the prosecutor wanted and he will be out in less then 3.

Your womp womp is a bit limp.

You are actually celebrating a Trump win,that’s what he was pushing for,a fair sentence,which is what Stone received.

Your President Trump thanks you for your continued support.Good job.

I cannot believe it,after all this time you are actually showing your support for your president Trump,I guess stranger things have happened but welcome to the fold.

Almost forgot

Womp womp

[bust]

Just putting it out there, should we even still read Richard's posts?
For far too long I corrected the, I'll put it nicely, inaccuracies and bad logic.
But they're always just tangents from the important conversation.
Always a diversion.
I have come to realize his goal is to distract us from what matters, and I no longer want to participate in that.
Do his outrageous ideas even deserve a response, or would that be participating in his distraction?
I'm welcome to your ideas.
This is something I've struggled with myself.

[jcole]

Just putting it out there, should we even still read Richard's posts?
For far too long I corrected the, I'll put it nicely, inaccuracies and bad logic.
But they're always just tangents from the important conversation.
Always a diversion.
I have come to realize his goal is to distract us from what matters, and I no longer want to participate in that.
Do his outrageous ideas even deserve a response, or would that be participating in his distraction?
I'm welcome to your ideas.
This is something I've struggled with myself.

I quit replying to him a long time ago, with the occasional slip when something he says is just to outrageous I can't let it go. I believe I even told him I would no longer be responding. I just don't remember the exact date; at least a year or two ago.

[Maof]

I quit replying to him a long time ago, with the occasional slip when something he says is just to outrageous I can't let it go. I believe I even told him I would no longer be responding. I just don't remember the exact date; at least a year or two ago.

https://www.laughtard.com/someone-talking-much/

[Jimaz]

Just putting it out there, should we even still read Richard's posts?....

I believe I've only ever read two of his posts. You don't need to read much of a resume to reject the entire applicant.

Here's how I see it: When the internet was young everyone had high hopes that its inclusivity would strengthen democracy. That turned out to be a bit naive. I doubt people back then understood how much oligarchs loathe democracy and how many flying monkeys they'd be willing to fling at it to destabilize any consensus. That's no reason to mourn though. It's quite the opposite. If oligarchs hate what you're doing that much, it's all the more reason to redouble your efforts!

Or as Bernie always says, "Despair is not an option."

Or as I like to say, "It's time for another celebration!"

[Richard]

I believe I've only ever read two of his posts. You don't need to read much of a resume to reject the entire applicant.

Here's how I see it: When the internet was young everyone had high hopes that its inclusivity would strengthen democracy. That turned out to be a bit naive. I doubt people back then understood how much oligarchs loathe democracy and how many flying monkeys they'd be willing to fling at it to destabilize any consensus. That's no reason to mourn though. It's quite the opposite. If oligarchs hate what you're doing that much, it's all the more reason to redouble your efforts!

Or as Bernie always says, "Despair is not an option."

Or as I like to say, "It's time for another celebration!"

I am surprised that Thom allowed you to have an opinion,but we all know what they say about opinions.

Your politics have delivered nothing but failures for the last 3 plus years,and I am the problem.

Denial does not refer to the River.

For the last 3+ years you guys have thrown everything you could against the wall trying to get the president out of office,all ending in failure.

Your leaders cannot even have a simple little debate without attacking each other. So that is your party a party of attacks and failures.

You have bigger problems then Richards posts lol

[aj3647]

Just putting it out there, should we even still read Richard's posts?
For far too long I corrected the, I'll put it nicely, inaccuracies and bad logic.
But they're always just tangents from the important conversation.
Always a diversion.
I have come to realize his goal is to distract us from what matters, and I no longer want to participate in that.
Do his outrageous ideas even deserve a response, or would that be participating in his distraction?
I'm welcome to your ideas.
This is something I've struggled with myself.

I usually just skip them because his grammar, syntax, spelling, and punctuation are so unbelievably and consistently awful that I've come to the conclusion that he legitimately has some form of cognitive impairment and/or a severe learning disability. So I just feel bad for him at this point. I think this forum is really all he has in life. Let him lash out, this might be the only form of human contact he gets in any given day.

[aj3647]

Michigan man indicted on federal charges for threatening to kill the Whistleblower and the Whistleblower's attorney.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...eat-to-ukraine

Gee, it's almost as if the President's rhetoric is designed to trigger unhinged people to do exactly what this guy did, if not commit outright acts of violence.

[Richard]

Michigan man indicted on federal charges for threatening to kill the Whistleblower and the Whistleblower's attorney.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...eat-to-ukraine

Gee, it's almost as if the President's rhetoric is designed to trigger unhinged people to do exactly what this guy did, if not commit outright acts of violence.

Threats against President Trump for his first six months in office are tracking about six to eight per day, the new director of the U.S. Secret Service said on Thursday, CBS News' Pat Milton reports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/several...andolph-alles/

Gee It is almost as if the Democrats rhetoric is designed to trigger unhinged people to do exactly what this guy did,if not commit outright acts of violence.

Kinda like the unhinged democrat did as he shot the republican at the ball game?

Kinda like holding up the severed head of a United States President as a joke.

Kinda like providing false claims of being mugged and a having a noose hung around his head.

Etc etc

There appears to be a distinctive line with those who act out verses those who do not.

[rb336]

Threats against President Trump for his first six months in office are tracking about six to eight per day, the new director of the U.S. Secret Service said on Thursday, CBS News' Pat Milton reports.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/several...andolph-alles/

Gee It is almost as if the Democrats rhetoric is designed to trigger unhinged people to do exactly what this guy did,if not commit outright acts of violence.

Show me where Democratic leaders have called for violence. All you have to do to find evidence of Trump calling for violence against his opponents is:
a) look at his tweets
b) watch any of his rallies

By the way, Obama was getting 30/day
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-Service.html

[Richard]

I usually just skip them because his grammar, syntax, spelling, and punctuation are so unbelievably and consistently awful that I've come to the conclusion that he legitimately has some form of cognitive impairment and/or a severe learning disability. So I just feel bad for him at this point. I think this forum is really all he has in life. Let him lash out, this might be the only form of human contact he gets in any given day.

Funny how you were here posting every day about how you had all the proof of Russian collusion,what happened?

I do not need to lash out,you guys are the ones whining and complaining about my posts,if you were not here reading them everyday then you would have never even known they existed.

Whats the matter ? Run out of things to whine about with Trump that you need to invent things to whine about with me?

My time here has had nothing to do with human contact,it is Trumps messed up economy,I make in 1 day what it used to take me a week and it is windy out here this time of year,so little boat time.

If I needed human contact as desperately as yourself I can pick up the phone and order it.

Your two sets of standards is no surprise.

You support the party of failures and yet talk about learning disabilities?

Maybe wake up first?

[aj3647]

Funny how you were here posting every day about how you had all the proof of Russian collusion,what happened?

Feel free then to link to said posts of mine where I posted "every day" that I had "proof of Russian collusion." Show me the posts [[prove your claim, which should be easy to do if I 'posted every day'), and I'll delete my account. Can you? Here's your chance to get rid of me, Richard. Can you do it?

If you can't do this, then retract your claim and admit you're a liar.

BTW Richard, I have 710 posts on an account that is over 8 years old, that's an average of one post every ~5 days or so. Interesting since you claim I post "every day." In case you haven't noticed, YOUR post count is FIVE TIMES what mine is, which means you quite literally do post every day on average.

[Richard]

But yet here you both still are,discussing me personally.

Does it seem normal to complain about reading ones post while still continue to read them?

Bust,outside of your personal opinion on correcting my posts,when are you actually going to provide the facts against my discrepancies and bad logic ?

You cannot provide the facts but claim my posts have no logic.

The scary part is you actually believe what you are saying.

You guys are in for a rough 4 more years come November,if you have not come to terms yet,odds are you will never,that cannot be healthy mentally.

At least you guys are sticking to your party standards,if you have nothing of relevance to say,attack.

I will have to find my 7 year old grand kid to find a silly meme to express my feelings for me because I am incapable of originality or thinking for myself.

Not

[Richard]

Show me where Democratic leaders have called for violence. All you have to do to find evidence of Trump calling for violence against his opponents is:
a) look at his tweets
b) watch any of his rallies

By the way, Obama was getting 30/day
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-Service.html

Look at the Democrat tweets
Watch the Democrats behavior

Listen to your own personal representative yelling Impeach the Mfer

In case you have not noticed the Rhetoric has not been exclusive to Trump

A California resident attacked California GOP congressional candidate Rudy Peters with a switchblade. Witnesses said the assailant was spewing profanity-laced remarks about Trump and the Republican Party.
A Republican Party office in Laramie, Wyoming caught fire — in what officials suspect was arson — just days after it opened.
A deranged driver repeatedly rammed his truck into a local Fox News affiliate in Dallas, Texas.

Also this week, a leftist threatened to commit mass slaughter at a "Make America Great" event at Trump's hotel in DC. "I am coming with a gun and i expect to get numerous bloodstained MAGA hats as trophies," the unnamed Twitter account holder tweeted.

https://www.investors.com/politics/e...lent-rhetoric/

Need examples of Obama saying it’s okay to be violent against Republicans?

Here’s Obama saying that when it comes to Republicans, you need to “argue and get in their face”:

https://menrec.com/5-times-obama-enc...e-republicans/





Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said, "If you see anybody from that [[Trump) Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."Denis Poroy/AP

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...on-republicans


Those are just a couple of you really cared you would look at both sides and not close your eyes to what you do not wish to see.

The Democratic Party has hosted the violent ones as a fact,look at when they were all dressed in white at the State of the Union speech,they forgot the hoods to match,because they have been the exact same tactics.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Um, at the risk of breaking up the 'most posts' contest I found this interesting article on what's looking more like the Bloomberg vs. Trump race!

Bloomberg’s plan to buy the presidency endangers democracy

Even if Bloomberg would be a good president, he’d be a terrible precedent.

From article:

Bloomberg’s vast resources have unlocked a campaign strategy no other candidate could sustain. Because presidential candidates typically operate under a constant threat of running out of cash, they concentrate spending in the early primary states. Bloomberg ignored those states entirely and is blanketing the bigger, more expensive states that vote later in the primary with ads. As a result, he’s shot up in the polls and is challenging Joe Biden for second place

[bust]

^^^ I found this interesting article on what's looking more like the Bloomberg vs. Trump race!

I agree, this is a terrible precedent. Or was that precedent already set by Trump in 2016 [[or Romney in 2012)?

Running for office must not be possible only for the wealthy!

We must dramatically reduce the vast influence of money in politics.
It grossly distorts our democracy.
This can not be what the framers of our constitution intended when they rebelled against the monarchy, even though they were rich dudes themselves.

If it comes down to a toxic charlatan billionaire who surrounds himself with crooks and liars or one who will restore dignity, sanity, responsibility, appoint good judges, and surround himself with talent, it's obvious which one to vote for.

I hope it doesn't. But I would be proud of that decision.

[Richard]

^ Obama spent close to 900 million in his elections,2016 Hilliary spent triple of what Trump did.

I think people are more concerned on the message verses the finances,if the candidates cannot sell their message to their supporters and gain enough funding to fund their campaign,it would not equate to somebody bought the election and that is why I lost.

http://metrocosm.com/the-history-of-campaign-spending/

[Richard]

“If it comes down to a toxic charlatan billionaire who surrounds himself with crooks and liars or one who will restore dignity, sanity, responsibility, appoint good judges, and surround himself with talent, it's obvious which one to vote for.”

And how does telling people that you know what is best for them helping democracy ?

The Talent that the previous administration surrounded themselves with went on to high paid positions and consulting services to the very companies that they were tasked to hold to the fire while in office.

Ones view on how our “democracy” should be run is subjective.

Bernie Sanders has 3 homes and is worth a few million,taking in account the average workers salary in the US is he not also considered wealthy?

To say one already knows how a candidate is going to run the country and present that as fact is projecting,the only thing we know for sure is from past social experiments and what segment of the population is negatively effected,and pays the price for the failures.

The framers of the constitution were rich and they also knew how to pull the strings when it comes to getting votes by attacking the rich,after running on that platform and winning,they still stayed rich as did the ones that they used to get votes.

Even with socialism the rich still stay rich,it’s just the poor that becomes poorer.

[Zacha341]

History has recorded this. But many younger voters are not aware of such...

Even with socialism the rich still stay rich, it’s just the poor that becomes poorer.