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[canuck]

“Colliding with the Russians” and “rigging the election” are mutually exclusive. Trump and his criminal cabal are not being formally accused of the latter, only the former.

Wouldn’t it be interesting indeed if Trump didn’t personally collude with the Russians but still goes down in flames for obstruction of justice, all to protect Flynn?

Anyways, 2018 should be interesting indeed. With Flynn naming names, it’s just a matter of time before the indictments start rolling out against the Trump family. How well do you think Jared would fare in prison?

His billionaire dad did time for major fraud a while back. They are vaccinated against shame.

[oladub]

charges. Now the big question is: will Kushner flip on Trump? Remember Kushner was deeply involved in the decision to fire James Comey, so he could testify to Trump’s intent in doing so. If Kushner, to keep himself out of prison, says under oath that Trump fired Comey to obstruct the Russia investigation, then its Game Over for Trump. That’s felony obstruction of justice and that’s “resign or be impeached” territory. I don’t think Trump Jr would flip on his dad, but Kushner? How bad does he want to stay out of prison?

Speaking of felonies and lies: Why is Comey still free after lying to Congress? Lying to Congress is perjury. Robert Swan Mueller III lied to Iceland. Our moral exemplars aren't what they used to be.

[canuck]

The Rump. Chump.

[Honky Tonk]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/supre...-politics.html

[313WX]

“Colliding with the Russians” and “rigging the election” are mutually exclusive. Trump and his criminal cabal are not being formally accused of the latter, only the former.

What other reason would people accuse Trump of wrongdoing [[that "wrongdoing" being collusion with Russia) if they're both mutually exclusive as you claim?

Yes, he may have had business dealings with "Russians" [[and no shit if he did, he ran a multinational real estate firm), but that in / of itself isn't a crime.

And to be clear, Flynn and Pappadapolous are only being charged for lying to the FBI, not for this alleged collusion with Russia itself. Being accused of a crime and formally charged of a crime are two different things.

As far as Manafort and Gates, they're being charged for alleged crimes they committed before joining the Trump campaign [[that date back as long as 10-15 years ago).

Trump's definitely an idiot for hiring liars with questionable backgrounds in the first place, but considering that Trump fired them almost immediately after these issues blew up, to suggest their participation in the campaign alone proves Trump colluded with Russia is still a ludicrous conspiracy theory [[as there's still no evidence of such).

[313WX]

BTW, I don't know what happened over the past few days, but Trump has suddenly gone from getting *NONE* of his agenda items accomplished to getting *ALL* of his agenda items accomplished:

1. The repeal of Obamacare, effectively [[by getting rid of the individual mandate).

2. Tax reform.

3. The Supreme Court allowing his Muslim Ban to go into full effect.

And this would be all within his first year, something that seemed impossible just a week ago. Crazy stuff.

[Richard]

Now the dems are threatening a shut down over DACA ,that is going to be interesting.

Huma Abedin lied,to the FBI [[FSB) but got a pass,interesting how the selective prosecution aspect works.

[Richard]

The Rump. Chump.

You guys seem to be having your share of questionable officials,with solid evidence verses speculation and wishful thinking.

Actualy starting to make President Trump look like a choirboy,and probably some Canadians wishing he was Canadian.

[oladub]

Now the dems are threatening a shut down over DACA ,that is going to be interesting.

Democrat prioritize foreign interests over those of US citizens. Nothing new there. However, if compromise were considered, an iffy thing in resistance land, I have a win-win suggestion using Mexico as an example. There are 538,000 illegal non-citizen 'dreamers' from Mexico. Since 65,000 Mexican nationals are given visas annually, prioritize dreamers to take those slots. In 8.27 years, all dreamers could be on their path to US citizenship without increasing the number of legally admitted Mexican immigrants. This would be a victory for Democrats. US taxpayers have already invested over $12,000/year in dreamers' educations and most dreamers have learned English. Consequently, Republicans should consider dreamers a better than average selection of Mexican immigrants. Ending chain migration should also be part of the deal.

[aj3647]

BTW, I don't know what happened over the past few days, but Trump has suddenly gone from getting *NONE* of his agenda items accomplished to getting *ALL* of his agenda items accomplished:

1. The repeal of Obamacare, effectively [[by getting rid of the individual mandate).

2. Tax reform.

3. The Supreme Court allowing his Muslim Ban to go into full effect.

And this would be all within his first year, something that seemed impossible just a week ago. Crazy stuff.

1) Only the Senate version of the tax reform bill de facto removes the individual mandate [[it doesn't even technically do that, it only sets the tax penalty for not having health insurance to $0, the individual mandate technically remains). The House bill does not do this. It remains to be seen what will come out of the House-Senate conference since this difference between the bills must be negotiated and reconciled for a final bill to emerge.

2) Tax reform hasn't passed yet. A compromise bill still has to come out of the House-Senate conference and that bill has to be voted on by both the House and Senate again before Trump can sign it. And there are some significant differences between the House and Senate versions that must be resolved in negotiations.

3) I thought it wasn't a Muslim ban? Isn't that what Trump's lawyers argued? But you're correct, that's the one thing on your list that has actually happened. After THREE attempts, Trump finally got his heavily watered-down Muslim ban. Of course this one has all sorts of exceptions that the previous iterations didn't have, including allowing entry for students, relatives, and those with legitimate business interests or professional engagements in the United States [[conferences, symposium, etc). Which means that if some Iranian guy wants to blow something up in the United States, all he has to do first is sign up to take some classes at the Harvard Extension School or Podunk Community College or wherever and *bingo* he's got himself a student visa. All it really does is bans tourists from the countries on the list. In practice, it would not deter even a single terrorist since most organized terrorist plots could probably scrounge up a few hundreds dollars to apply to an American college or sign up to attend some professional conference.

[313WX]

1) Only the Senate version of the tax reform bill de facto removes the individual mandate [[it doesn't even technically do that, it only sets the tax penalty for not having health insurance to $0, the individual mandate technically remains). The House bill does not do this. It remains to be seen what will come out of the House-Senate conference since this difference between the bills must be negotiated and reconciled for a final bill to emerge.

2) Tax reform hasn't passed yet. A compromise bill still has to come out of the House-Senate conference and that bill has to be voted on by both the House and Senate again before Trump can sign it. And there are some significant differences between the House and Senate versions that must be resolved in negotiations.

3) I thought it wasn't a Muslim ban? Isn't that what Trump's lawyers argued? But you're correct, that's the one thing on your list that has actually happened. After THREE attempts, Trump finally got his heavily watered-down Muslim ban. Of course this one has all sorts of exceptions that the previous iterations didn't have, including allowing entry for students, relatives, and those with legitimate business interests or professional engagements in the United States [[conferences, symposium, etc). Which means that if some Iranian guy wants to blow something up in the United States, all he has to do first is sign up to take some classes at the Harvard Extension School or Podunk Community College or wherever and *bingo* he's got himself a student visa. All it really does is bans tourists from the countries on the list. In practice, it would not deter even a single terrorist since most organized terrorist plots could probably scrounge up a few hundreds dollars to apply to an American college or sign up to attend some professional conference.

RE: #1 and #2.

Republicans are under immense pressure to pass something of significance by their donors. I would be surprised if, for some reason, tax reform failed at this point.

And the differences aren't as significant as you think. According to the House Majority leaders, the main point of contention is the AMT. But of course if Trump's willing to sign a bill with only a 22% corporate tax rate, that should pay for the complete repeal of the AMT that the House wants.

More than likely, what we'll get in the end is a slightly modified version of the Senate bill, given that it was able to get enough votes to pass the first time.

As far as the individual mandate, bear in mind it was the House who successfully voted to repeal it before. Now that the Senate finally got the votes to neuter the individual mandate, there's no reason to doubt that the House would vote to do so again.

Now, is it still possible at this point that things will go off the rails and fail again? Sure, but it's not looking good.

[Honky Tonk]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rec...020407741.html

[Richard]

^^ I like how they say that doing so is going to inflame tension in the Middle East,like tensions have not been inflamed over there for the past 2 thousand years anyways.

Enough of all of this walking on glass afraid of making decisions and kicking the can down the road,do it and deal with it.

[313WX]

^^ I like how they say that doing so is going to inflame tension in the Middle East,like tensions have not been inflamed over there for the past 2 thousand years anyways.

Enough of all of this walking on glass afraid of making decisions and kicking the can down the road,do it and deal with it.

As you well know, it's not about the Middle East, but about being against Trump [[nothing else).

Trump could end world hunger and people would still be against it.

[Richard]

Democrat prioritize foreign interests over those of US citizens. Nothing new there. However, if compromise were considered, an iffy thing in resistance land, I have a win-win suggestion using Mexico as an example. There are 538,000 illegal non-citizen 'dreamers' from Mexico. Since 65,000 Mexican nationals are given visas annually, prioritize dreamers to take those slots. In 8.27 years, all dreamers could be on their path to US citizenship without increasing the number of legally admitted Mexican immigrants. This would be a victory for Democrats. US taxpayers have already invested over $12,000/year in dreamers' educations and most dreamers have learned English. Consequently, Republicans should consider dreamers a better than average selection of Mexican immigrants. Ending chain migration should also be part of the deal.

The issue I have with all of this is these people have been here 25 years and did nothing towards obtaining citizenship,they show some on tv that have good English but go to a heavy immigrant city and a majority do not speak English.

I know several that came to this country illegally and spent 12 years to get thier citizenship,they did it.

So ones parents moves to a different country in order to provide a better life for their children but yet keep them their whole young life flying under the radar knowing full well that at any given moment they stood the chance of being deported.

They took that risk knowing full well of the potential ramifications,which are no different then any other country in the world.

They are trying to negotiate with no leg to stand on in the first place.

So,they are here illegally,admit that.
Being here illegally does not carry the same rights as an American citizen.
So,get in line,apply for citizenship like everybody does and make your case.

In the meantime fix the broken immigration system that provides a fair path to citizenship to everybody.

But that is complicated and cannot be used in a blackmail situation.

We are taught that we are supposed to be accountable for our actions,hundreds of thousands in this country are in prison being held accountable for thier actions why and when did American citizens become less of a citizen then somebody here illegally.

The only compromise I would do is instead of spending billions building a wall on the southern border is it would be way cheaper to build a wall around a California city and make that a sanctuary city responsible for what is within its walls.

Border arrests are down 25% in 2017,overall immigration arrests are down 15% of the previous years,so the wall is working built or not.

[ABetterDetroit]

Democrat prioritize foreign interests over those of US citizens. Nothing new there. However, if compromise were considered, an iffy thing in resistance land, I have a win-win suggestion using Mexico as an example. There are 538,000 illegal non-citizen 'dreamers' from Mexico. Since 65,000 Mexican nationals are given visas annually, prioritize dreamers to take those slots. In 8.27 years, all dreamers could be on their path to US citizenship without increasing the number of legally admitted Mexican immigrants. This would be a victory for Democrats. US taxpayers have already invested over $12,000/year in dreamers' educations and most dreamers have learned English. Consequently, Republicans should consider dreamers a better than average selection of Mexican immigrants. Ending chain migration should also be part of the deal.

Even though I don’t necessarily agree with this plan it does have some merit because it does recognize the importance of these people caught up in this issue and it also gives ground to a compromise.

In a compromise lies a solution.

[canuck]

You guys seem to be having your share of questionable officials,with solid evidence verses speculation and wishful thinking.

Actualy starting to make President Trump look like a choirboy,and probably some Canadians wishing he was Canadian.

The pussy grabber can do no wrong. No evidence of that. It's all fake news as you say. Wishful thinking.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Thus, VP Pence waits in the wings... oh what joy.

[Zacha341]

Say it isn't so. That sounds like a talking point straight from FoxSNEWS you know...... not a bit reasonable to consider.

Being here illegally does not carry the same rights as an American citizen. So, get in line, apply for citizenship like everybody does and make your case.

[Maof]

^^^ Thus, VP Pence waits in the wings... oh what joy.

Scary thought isn't it.

[313WX]

^^^ Thus, VP Pence waits in the wings... oh what joy.

And it doesn't get better after that. How does President Ryan, Hatch, Tillerson or Mnuchin sound?

Seriously, the witch hunt benefits no one. The best bet is to groom and run a candidate that people will be enthusiastic to support over Trump in 2020.

[Richard]

After filing allegations against Jim,Kermit could run and win.

It is not going to matter who runs against him in the next election,the mantra is going to be anybody but,even if it involves cutting off ones nose to spite.

[aj3647]

RE: #1 and #2.

Republicans are under immense pressure to pass something of significance by their donors. I would be surprised if, for some reason, tax reform failed at this point.

And the differences aren't as significant as you think. According to the House Majority leaders, the main point of contention is the AMT. But of course if Trump's willing to sign a bill with only a 22% corporate tax rate, that should pay for the complete repeal of the AMT that the House wants.

More than likely, what we'll get in the end is a slightly modified version of the Senate bill, given that it was able to get enough votes to pass the first time.

As far as the individual mandate, bear in mind it was the House who successfully voted to repeal it before. Now that the Senate finally got the votes to neuter the individual mandate, there's no reason to doubt that the House would vote to do so again.

Now, is it still possible at this point that things will go off the rails and fail again? Sure, but it's not looking good.

Republicans were under immense pressure to repeal and replace Obamacare too, that didn't stop them from failing to do so at the last second on multiple attempts. You shouldn't underestimate Republican incompetence at this point.

Susan Collins' vote on the Senate tax bill was predicated on the promise that Republicans would pass Alexander-Murray or some other legislation to fund and stabilize the high-risk pools for the insurance markets. That would likely ensure that Obamacare survives even in the absence of the individual mandate tax penalty being repealed. If it looks like the House isn't up for that, perhaps Collins' vote on whatever comes out of conference can no longer be guaranteed. Corker is a "no", GOP can only afford to lose two more votes. Either way, it looks like Obamacare won't be quite as "dead" as you think it will be.

But you're right, I think they'll put something on the President's desk before the end of the year if only so that their entire first year with total power in Washington wasn't a complete and abject failure. Even if that something is a bill written at the very last second by a handful of individuals in a dark room somewhere that the people voting on it haven't even read. But hey, this is the Republican Congress we are talking about, so there's always a chance they can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Richard]

The pussy grabber can do no wrong. No evidence of that. It's all fake news as you say. Wishful thinking.

In the real world women have the same conversations about men,I think one would be hard pressed to find anybody on earth that has never said A derogatory comment about somebody else.

[RaumVogel]

The issue I have with all of this is these people have been here 25 years and did nothing towards obtaining citizenship,they show some on tv that have good English but go to a heavy immigrant city and a majority do not speak English.

I know several that came to this country illegally and spent 12 years to get thier citizenship,they did it.

So ones parents moves to a different country in order to provide a better life for their children but yet keep them their whole young life flying under the radar knowing full well that at any given moment they stood the chance of being deported.

They took that risk knowing full well of the potential ramifications,which are no different then any other country in the world.

They are trying to negotiate with no leg to stand on in the first place.

So,they are here illegally,admit that.
Being here illegally does not carry the same rights as an American citizen.
So,get in line,apply for citizenship like everybody does and make your case.

In the meantime fix the broken immigration system that provides a fair path to citizenship to everybody.

But that is complicated and cannot be used in a blackmail situation.

We are taught that we are supposed to be accountable for our actions,hundreds of thousands in this country are in prison being held accountable for thier actions why and when did American citizens become less of a citizen then somebody here illegally.

The only compromise I would do is instead of spending billions building a wall on the southern border is it would be way cheaper to build a wall around a California city and make that a sanctuary city responsible for what is within its walls.

Border arrests are down 25% in 2017,overall immigration arrests are down 15% of the previous years,so the wall is working built or not.

This is the best evaluation I've seen on the Internet about this problem.Our politics won't allow such a logical solution,though.