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    Quote Originally Posted by carolcb View Post
    1. Children still in jails, taken from parents.
    2. Has Ivanka and Junior in the WH.
    3. Never released his taxes.
    4. Said horrible things about Senator McCain, disabled reporter, Gold Star family; sides with the KKK and David Duke.
    5. Has Steven Miller in WH.
    6. Is a racist, period.
    7. Knows nothing about our laws or constitution.
    8. Believes he is above the law.
    9. Does not think a woman is equal to a man.
    10. 3,000 people died in Puerto Rico.
    11. Brings his in-laws into country as "chain migration".
    12. Makes taxpayers pay for his golf outings at his club.
    13. Has dismantled the EPA, Department of Education...and more.
    14. Has lied about everything since the day he decided to run for the office.
    15. The whole Kavanaugh thing stinks to high heaven.
    16. Emoluments clause.
    17. Has no impulse control whatsoever.
    18. Meets with Putin and Kim Jong-un without a record of what was said.
    19. Trashes the CIA, FBI, Justice Department because they enforce the rule of law.
    20. Colluded with the Russians.
    21. No morality, empathy, education; he would not have lasted at a regular employer - doesn't have the ability or attitude to run a gas station.

    There you go, Richard. Don't tell me that the only thing that matters is the Dow and profits. That is not what this country stands for.

    Thank goodness for Robert Mueller!
    All of that and he is president of the United States while you and I are little grains of sand.

    Run for president and show em how it is done.

    So you do have proof of crimes being committed,right?

    That is the problem,your #20 colluded with the Russians,I am like you let’s start shooting people in the public square based on what we think happened verses what we can prove happen.

    That is your version of what this country stands for, Guilty and condemned before proof,hitler and Stalin worshipers think the same.

    Just because somebody does something that you do not agree with,as much as you wish for it,it does not mean a crime has been committed.

    How about your buddies that threw millions of Americans in the street so they could land a cushy job afterwards,was that what this country is about?

    No problem with that I guess,they are hero’s and made millions by not building it.
    Last edited by Richard; September-14-18 at 05:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj3647 View Post
    The Mueller investigation has cost about $18 million so far. With the Manafort guilty pleas/verdict, Mueller will recoup $46 million in ill-gotten assets from Paul Manafort. Net gain to the U.S. taxpayer: +$28 million dollars.

    So you can probably just go ahead and give that particular talking point a rest. We're making money off of the Mueller investigation.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...stigation.html
    He was not doing all of that overnight,how come they never went after him until he joined the trump administration?

    You think all of this stuff going on is new? Useing government agencies as a political tool brings us back to the Hoover years,which is pretty cool until it turns on you.

    Remember how how it was used against the tea party?

    I am with you let’s start arresting everybody and squeeze them in political camps and see how much profit we can make,maybe throw in a little water boarding so we can get them to say what we want to hear.

    The talking point has not changed,this was about the accusations of direct involvement of Trump and Russian collusion,you have made accusations but yet have provided one bit of proof.

    Which is where we are now at,we can place and condemn others with accusations while having no proof.

    How many more prisons are you ready to build and what segment of the population is going to fill them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bust View Post
    Anyone who needs help finding examples of corruption in the Trump white house must have their MAGA blindfolds on.

    The first one lists so many, with references, you may have to read it in two parts:

    Confronting the Cost of Trump’s Corruption to American Families
    https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ican-families/

    Juan Williams: Trump weaves web of corruption
    http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...-of-corruption

    Corruption in the Trump Administration Is Spreading
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...pruitt/563441/

    I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Read them yourself.

    Where were you when all of the previous administrations were doing the exact same stuff ? How come no problems then?

    Politicians going into office broke and becoming millionaires after leaving office is not a new concept,the only spoon feeding needs to go to those that act like Trump is the first of his kind as a president,you would think that this is the first election that half of the country has ever been involved in,with none of the experts actually running for president.

    We seem to have 2 hundred million experts on how to be president and run a country but only 10 at the most actually stepping up to the plate,kinda like a bunch of back seat drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Where were you when all of the previous administrations were doing the exact same stuff ?
    Everyone knows government corruption didn't begin the Trump administration. But Obama and his administration look like angels in comparison.

    You demanded proof of corruption in the Trump administration, and it was amply provided. How about you back your mouth up with proof Obama's administration was anywhere near as bad.
    Last edited by bust; September-16-18 at 07:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bust View Post
    Everyone knows government corruption didn't begin the Trump administration. But Obama and his administration look like angels in comparison.

    You demanded proof of corruption in the Trump administration, and it was amply provided. How about you back your mouth up with proof Obama's administration was anywhere near as bad.

    The problem is what you are providing as proof is opinions,
    you are saying there is corruption in the current administration.

    How about you back your mouth up and show the investigations and criminal charges of corruption within the current administration.

    You are adamant that there is ongoing corruption,so there would be FBI investigations,or some kind of legal charges.

    Just because you believe there is corruption going on does not make it happen and if one is so bad off that they take opinions as fact then it really is a sad world we live in.

    Do not take my opinion as fact,do your own research on where the top administration under then President Obama is employed now.

    If you do not feel that an administration that throws millions of Americans out in the street and devastates communities across the country for personal gain while taking thier homes is an example of stellar government then I guess birds of feather flock together.

    It was not corruption,it was a group of people that choose to sacrafice fellow Americans over money and careers,but given 2016 we see that is the way of life to certain people and an exceptable way of life.

    My opinion is if Hillary had won,she would have purged everybody that opposed her or did not agree with her,and her followers would have been right alongside of her building the camps,you still do not get it.

    Angels my rear end,they were so good they sold you and yours out for a 25c and you loved it and wanted more.
    Last edited by Richard; September-16-18 at 08:25 PM.

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    From Vanity Fair's “Everybody on the Inside Knows It’s True”: Woodward’s Reality Bomb Is Blowing Up the West Wing on September 5:
    The West Wing came to a virtual standstill yesterday after The Washington Post published the first excerpts of Bob Woodward’s upcoming book, Fear. The book by the veteran White House chronicler portrays Donald Trump as an unhinged and ill-informed commander in chief surrounded by aides who doubt his intelligence and question his fitness for office. “It’s pandemonium. He literally isn’t talking to anyone. He’s canceled meetings and is on the phone calling up his friends,” one source said. Current and former staffers, meanwhile, pointed fingers in all directions as they sought to deflect blame for the damaging leaks. “I’d rather be an unapologetic defender of Donald Trump than Judas,” one West Wing official told me.
    "He literally isn’t talking to anyone." It sounds like he's starting to slide down the Howard Hughes path with this reclusiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bust View Post
    Everyone knows government corruption didn't begin the Trump administration. But Obama and his administration look like angels in comparison.
    From the Wikipedia article, "List of Federal Political scandals in the U.S.." and limited to the executive branch of the Obama administration. There are other sections for all recent presidents.

    • Katherine Archuleta, Director of the Office of Personnel Management, resigned on July 10, 2015, after cyber intrusions allowed the theft of data concerning 22 million people, some of whom had applied for sensitive security clearances.
    • Hillary Clinton email controversy – Throughout her tenure as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton [[D) used an unsecured private server to send and receive personal and classified material. The FBI investigation found that 110 messages contained information that was classified at the time it was sent, however only "a very small number" were marked classified. Director of the FBI James Comey [[R) testified that the three emails in question were not properly marked as classified and did not have a classification header. Her aides subsequently deleted about 31,000 emails from the server that Clinton regarded as personal correspondence. Director of the FBI James Comey [[R) found no evidence to suggest Clinton or her staff deleted these emails in an attempt to conceal them. He also found too little evidence to charge her with any crime.
    • Veterans Health Administration scandal of 2014 – Officials in the Phoenix, VA hospital lied about how long the wait times were for veterans to see a doctor. The newly selected Secretary of Veterans Affairs, General Eric Shinseki, voluntarily resigned.
    • 2013 IRS scandal – IRS admitted to inappropriate investigation of conservative political groups associated with the Tea Party that may not have met the criteria for certain tax exemptions. Later, it was found that the IRS investigated groups with the label "progressives" as well.The president dem anded and accepted the resignation of Steven T. Miller, Acting Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service. Other actions arising from the scandal included:


    1. Lois Lerner, head of the IRS Office of Exempt Organizations, stated she had not done anything wrong and then took the Fifth before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.[81] She retired in 2013 after an internal investigation found that she neglected her duties and was going to call for her ouster.
    2. Joseph H. Grant, commissioner of the IRS Tax-exempt and Government Entities division, resigned on May 16, 2013.



    This a a partial list. Offhand, I can also think of backroom deals the Obama administrations set up with Iran, the executive war on Libya, recent allegations that leading intelligence agency officials were weaponized against Republicans the way that the IRS [[mentioned above) had been against Republicans, unconstitutional executive laws like DACA were mandated, Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch at the airport, SOS Clinton accepted pay to play donations accepted by the Clinton Family Fund, and wasn't there something about Donna Brazille tipping off Hillary about presidential debate questions? Whatever happened to Anthony Wiener's laptop? Huma Abadin's son worked for the Canadian computer company that got the [[un)ACA computer contract. Diane Feinstein employed a Chinese spy for 20 years and her husband was lucky enough to get the contract to sell a lot of valuable postal service properties. I think those too are scandals but unconstitutional wars, laws, and treaties are also partly the fault of the Republican Congress for letting them happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maof View Post

    Well on one hand it is nice to see you participate outside of a useless meme,one can teach a parrot to say trump sucks.

    On the other hand the claim was that the current administration is corrupt and or useing the office for personal gain.

    It is no secret that some have been brought to the spotlight for actions that they did before joining the administration,my guess is that if it was really that important the feds would have been all over them long ago.

    So what we are seeing is government targeting individuals as a means to an end.

    That is the slippery slope when we weaponize the government,think of how it effects us in targeting,gov seizures along the highways,Leo profiling because we do not agree with others,the difference is that you and I do not have millions to hire high profile lawyers,people seem to think what is happening is okay,until it happens to them,public consensus seems to be giving the green light.

    When we create vendettas and justify the results we have to be carefull because it can come back to bite us in the rear.It is a part of the bigger picture.

    So anyways I still have not seen any proof to the claim that the current administration is involved in ongoing corruption outside of personal claims and accusations.

    But you guys do not have a problem with supporting a corruption in the bridge so is it a case of it is okay if we benefit from it,you supported a corrupt mayor for two terms?

    You is a generalization,and if one is against public corruption at the very least try and be consistent and not only against one when it is not serving a purpose.

    Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton are not my choice but if anybody thinks that what happened there was not a massive blow to democracy within the republic,but yet millions had no problem with that.

    The current president could strip naked and run from Washington to Florida carrying a Klan flag with a Russian flag with a swastica flag and still not even come close to what happened there.

    Bloomberg is donating 50 million to the Democratic Party,why?

    You would think that as a businessman everything they stand for is the opposite but yet he is donating that kind of money out of the goodness in his heart?

    He will be looking for a return from a anti business party accepting millions from the very people that they are against.

    Make sense?

    Look at all of the past administrations they were all in it for personal gain while promising the world.Our democrat controlled inner cities are in shambles and have been for years. Why is that?

    So you may be able to see why one places more stock in people that do what they say that they are going to do.

    What did Obama do for Detroit ? LaHood did more for the city on the transit side in two years then the president did in eight,is the inner city aspect better? He cared little about his home town of Chicago let alone anybody else,but they are all making bank.

    Some would rather have a kiss on the cheek with somebody telling them it will be okay while others were hip to that game long ago.

    Maybe when one gets older thier tolerances for people not doing what they say fades away,The current president gets his support because he has done so far or placed an immense effort into doing what he said he was going to do,some would rather throw thier fellow Americans into a burning pit to see that it does not happen,which is exactly what happened to Bernie.

    I do not support Bernie but I support his right to be heard,anybody in this country no matter what thier agenda is has the right to stand up and run for office from the street sweeper up to the top lawyer,we as a country is not about having a few decide what is best for us.

    Maybe it is time to hate the system and not the players,but as usual we become consumed with hate,so the game never changes and we get the system that we deserve.
    Last edited by Richard; September-17-18 at 09:45 PM.

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    "Well on one hand it is nice to see you participate outside of a useless meme"

    Not useless at all. You repeatedly ask for proof when it's right there in black and white and continually bring up past administrations. Most don't want to read a multi-paragraph response trying to defend what's currently going on in the white house.



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    Re. #1747.
    Can't image anyone having the time or patience to write such a load of utter crap. You need to get a life carol!

    The funniest one is #21. Sounds like your were running out of ideas or time or both!!![[or maybe you just got hungry).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maof View Post
    "Well on one hand it is nice to see you participate outside of a useless meme"

    Not useless at all. You repeatedly ask for proof when it's right there in black and white and continually bring up past administrations. Most don't want to read a multi-paragraph response trying to defend what's currently going on in the white house.


    Once again you posted a link as proof of on going corruption that covers personal that are being charged with actions that happened in the past,half of them were terminated when the administration found out.

    So Maybe now post a link that proves ongoing corruption within the current administration,proves and not speculation.

    I am not defending anybody,but I am also not placing accusations against people based on what I think or wish for,would you like accusations placed against you and be forced to defend yourself based on simply what one thinks?

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    I stand by #21, and considering his ability to speak and function, I think it is pretty fair.

    Load of utter crap is kind of demonstrative considering the gibberish you evidently take as truth every day here from you-know-who.

    One person who has lots of time, patience, ethics.... and has his lunch delivered for him - who isn't a liar and a co-conspirator - is saving the country; maybe you could read those 17 pages that came out on Friday.

    But her emails....maybe you might want to read Manafort's emails.

    Bless your little heart and I am getting back to work, and thank you - I already ate my lunch at my desk - salad and veggies with water. I am here - for the long haul - a liberal democrat who hasn't missed an election since Carter. I have children who vote too. And my husband, as you can imagine, feels the same way thankfully.

    Go eat your lunch now.

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    I actually found some shenanigans going on in the current administration,to bad it is DSA related.

    https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/...thing-to-lose/


    Federal Employee for State Department: “Resist everything… Every level. F**k sh*t up.”

    Democratic Socialists of America [[DSA) Embedded in Federal Government Positions, Actively Resisting

    Stuart Karaffa Does Work for DSA While on Taxpayer’s Dime: “I’m careful about it. I don’t leave a paper trail.”

    “I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees.”

    Nothing like taxpayers supporting the DSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolcb View Post
    I am here - for the long haul - a liberal democrat who hasn't missed an election since Carter. I have children who vote too. And my husband, as you can imagine, feels the same way thankfully.

    Kind of like lemmings, no? But I'm sure its easier that way, you don't have to do a lot of thinking and evaluation.

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    Love it how men jump all over my posts but listen to Richard all day long without correction or inflection. You boys are going to have a reckoning in November, and thus down the line, because the women in this country have had it, so keep talking down to us and acting like we don't know shit from Shinola, just keep in up.

    I can compose a freaking sentence and think for myself. Just like Hillary Clinton and any other woman you take sport at.....Just look at Kavanaugh; he is supposed to be the top of his profession and he is a creep. Like Charlie Rose, Weinstein, Lauer, Halperin, Spacey, Keillor.....how many women or men did they keep down and out just so they could prosper? Didn't we learn anything about not listening to women with the MSU/USA Gymnastics scandal?

    You must be a lemming for children being imprisoned at the border; at the president ripping the country off...et al. Refer to my earlier post and turn off Fox if you would like to think and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolcb View Post
    I can compose a freaking sentence and think for myself. Just like Hillary Clinton and any other woman you take sport.

    Hillary Clinton received stolen answers to a national presidential debate, then answered the questions on international television like she knew the answers. One hell of a role model.

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    Carol, The Democratic Senator from Hawaii told men to "shut up and step down" much in line with your message at least with regards to Judge Kavanaugh. Men should know where they stand with the Democratic Party. Thank you. The Senator said she "believed" professor Ford. Short of having evidence, witnesses, and remembering the year or location of her allegation, I suppose "belief" will have to suffice. Hence this new inquisition based on beliefs. "Stalling" might be a better word than "belief".

    Professor Ford is, in my opinion, just another actor like the creepy "Gold Star" father who was also an Democratic Party operative although Obama's policies led to his son's death. Prof. Ford conjured her accusation in 2012 coincidentally and just in time at the point in time when Romney could have won. CNN considered Kavanaugh one of the top contenders to be a Romney court pick. Maybe whenever Professor Ford hears the name Kavanaugh, her memory or imagination comes alive. I don't know which, maybe he did grind against her 30 + years ago, but the statute of limitations has also run out for Obama smoking pot, Professor Ford attending an underage drinking party, and whatever W. Bush and Bill Clinton did as minors should anyone decide to derail their careers or sue them based on what they did or were believed to have done as minors.
    Last edited by oladub; September-19-18 at 02:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post

    Professor Ford is, in my opinion, just another actor like the creepy "Gold Star" father who was also an Democratic Party operative although Obama's policies led to his son's death.
    If you aren't a Russian troll, you're truly an ignorant person, incapable of even the faintest logical reasoning.

    "I love the uneducated". Trump, for once, told the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolcb View Post
    Love it how men jump all over my posts but listen to Richard all day long without correction or inflection. You boys are going to have a reckoning in November, and thus down the line, because the women in this country have had it, so keep talking down to us and acting like we don't know shit from Shinola, just keep in up.

    I can compose a freaking sentence and think for myself. Just like Hillary Clinton and any other woman you take sport at.....Just look at Kavanaugh; he is supposed to be the top of his profession and he is a creep. Like Charlie Rose, Weinstein, Lauer, Halperin, Spacey, Keillor.....how many women or men did they keep down and out just so they could prosper? Didn't we learn anything about not listening to women with the MSU/USA Gymnastics scandal?

    You must be a lemming for children being imprisoned at the border; at the president ripping the country off...et al. Refer to my earlier post and turn off Fox if you would like to think and reflect.

    There are more that agree with you than not. A lot of us don't listen to you know who too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Trump has a dangerous disability - George F. Will interview MSNBC

    George Will's quiet renunciation of his long-time Republican Party membership was a tipping point.

    He now recommends that the public actively "quarantine this presidency."
    Is sanity contagious?:

    Joe Scarborough Explains Why He's Done With The GOP.

    And you have to ask yourself: What exactly is the Republican Party willing to do? How far are they willing to go? How much of this country and our values are they willing to sell out?...

    I am a Republican but I'm not going to be a Republican anymore. [applause]
    Obama Convinces Ohio's Richest Republican to Leave Party
    He felt "dirty and ashamed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
    If you aren't a Russian troll, you're truly an ignorant person, incapable of even the faintest logical reasoning.

    "I love the uneducated". Trump, for once, told the truth.
    Logic is defined as "reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity." Reason is not the same as, and is closer to the opposite of, either "belief" or "feel". The latter word is one Carol chose to use in #1764 to define her filial relationship to the Democratic party . When Obama first ran for President, he told his followers to "believe". He knew his audience.

    I'm glad that at least Trump loves the uneducated. Democrats used to claim the same. Blacks, Latinos, women, and the less educated are all employed at record numbers under Trump. Meanwhile, Democratic leaders are calling American workers 'a basket of deplorables' and 'the dregs of society"[[Biden). We get it. Thanks for emphasizing that point for me.
    Last edited by oladub; September-19-18 at 10:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolcb View Post
    Love it how men jump all over my posts but listen to Richard all day long without correction or inflection. You boys are going to have a reckoning in November, and thus down the line, because the women in this country have had it, so keep talking down to us and acting like we don't know shit from Shinola, just keep in up.

    I can compose a freaking sentence and think for myself. Just like Hillary Clinton and any other woman you take sport at.....Just look at Kavanaugh; he is supposed to be the top of his profession and he is a creep. Like Charlie Rose, Weinstein, Lauer, Halperin, Spacey, Keillor.....how many women or men did they keep down and out just so they could prosper? Didn't we learn anything about not listening to women with the MSU/USA Gymnastics scandal?

    You must be a lemming for children being imprisoned at the border; at the president ripping the country off...et al. Refer to my earlier post and turn off Fox if you would like to think and reflect.
    My,you have been conditioned pretty good.

    Kamala Harris a Democrat is US senator for California,born in Oakland California,a poverty stricken,gang infested neighborhood,her motto is as displayed on her web site “ Fighting for the people”.

    What people?

    Why is it that some can come up with all kinds of compassion for the border but yet spend thier lifetime keeping generations of thier fellow citizens down in the dirt?

    People do not need to watch news channels to see what is happening,it is there right in front of you if you take off the blinders.

    Simple question for you,why is it every democratic controlled city continues to have the highest homeless rates,the worst schools,the highest crime rates,the highest level of generational poverty etc etc.

    Why is it that a political group that claims to be for the people while keeping those same people down in the dirt,and you throw them a bone once in awhile when it comes to voting time.

    No need to watch the news to identify fake people,they make themselves well known.

    Then comes the blame game,I am a woman and everybody I picking on me,funny,there are a lot of extremely successful women in the corporate world that made it on thier merits and not by playing the woe is me,getting ahead in life is tough on everybody,if it was that easy then everybody would be successful and there would be no need for goals.

    No disrespect but as soon as you started the post,you played the woe is me card.

    You come out with parrot responses instead of self thought or opinions,that takes away your individuality,and sorry yes that makes you a lemming,which is also okay,lead,follow or get out of the way and some are comfortable with following,if that is the direction you want to go,fine it is your choice,but anybody can turn on the TV and listen to Trump sucks 24/7 it’s like a broken record.

    What have the Democrats accomplished in the last two years outside of constant whining about Trump,to help the people that they say they care so much about?

    O wait,those poor children at the border,who cares about the little children that were shot in the crossfire in inner city violence every day,they do not count?

    Make your case,show me the links.

    People meaning your fellow Americans.

    Maybe,stop eating rabbit food for lunch and have some red meat.

    Sentence structure is not a commodity,you cannot pay your mortgage with it,so I do not view it as an insult.Nice try though.

    Nobody cares about the wishful thinking of a blue wave because even if it does happen,I would be willing to bet everything I own that nothing changes,it’s a safe bet because 50 years later the same issues have not changed.

    Democratic controlled inner city schools still suck,homelessness is piling up,gangs rule,millions without a chance will still have no chance and the democrats will be shouting vote for me I will make a difference.

    The only difference that happens is that the politicals buy more houses and create fatter bank accounts then they blame it on the corporations.

    Is somebody that held a 2.6 gpa really considered professor material?
    Last edited by Richard; September-19-18 at 09:21 PM.

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    Huma Abadin's son worked for the Canadian computer company that got the [[un)ACA computer contract.
    Her son was born in 2011.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin#Personal_life

    Were you thinking of this guy?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Awan

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