Welcome To Trump World

[Richard]

Yea,China is loving all of this Russia stuff on their path to a one super power controlled economy and base currency it is all playing into their hands.

They have been investing in Africa communities where they control 75% of the economy,we are on an driver-less car kick while they are working on controlling the only sources of cobalt needed,both in the labor force to mine it and the supply chain to distribute it.

They do not need nukes or cold wars,just for us to keep the eye on Russia,we are going to need Russia in the future.

[coracle]

Just watched the America/EU trade talk announcements at the White House. Like Trump promised me, I’m getting tired of winning. Had to switch channels to CNN because feelings of such exultantly cannot be good for one’s long term health. We need to watch assholes for “balance”.

Only six years before we have to return to the the misery of “obama years”.

[Honky Tonk]

Just watched the America/EU trade talk announcements at the White House. Like Trump promised me, I’m getting tired of winning. Had to switch channels to CNN because feelings of such exultantly cannot be good for one’s long term health. We need to watch assholes for “balance”.

Only six years before we have to return to the the misery of “obama years”.

Yeah, no kidding! I was so shocked after listening to the woman on NPR trying to milk a negative Trump comment out of the president of the pork industry, I almost hit a guy on a bike! But seriously folks, good for Trump. Let's hope he can get the rest follow suite.

[canuck]

Just watched the America/EU trade talk announcements at the White House. Like Trump promised me, I’m getting tired of winning. Had to switch channels to CNN because feelings of such exultantly cannot be good for one’s long term health. We need to watch assholes for “balance”.

Only six years before we have to return to the the misery of “obama years”.

Your Chump needs To dump his CNN watching First Lady for another one. She was caught tuning into fake news
I wonder does Michael Cohen know a good Family law counsel. He and Trump are still buddies, right?

[Honky Tonk]

Your Chump needs To dump his CNN watching First Lady for another one. She was caught tuning into fake news
I wonder does Michael Cohen know a good Family law counsel. He and Trump are still buddies, right?

Looks like true-doh! could use a wax job....

[canuck]

Looks like true-doh! could use a wax job....

Speaking of grade. I'll trade you all the fur in Chew-dough's eyebrows for every which one implanted in Chumperoni's forelock .

[oladub]

I've read that 80% of Canadians would have preferred a President Hillary. Here is one of the few more or less positive Canadian opinion pieces about Trump. The author also says that J. Trudeau can still make the grade as a good Prime Minister. However, not if his formula continues "pushing natives, gender, and eco-extremism." I would add pushing refugees.

Conrad Black: Trump is grating, but he's a true leader
— and America needs him
Despite his liberties with the truth, Trump has amassed the most faithful record of modern U.S. presidents in doing what he promised to do

[canuck]

I've read that 80% of Canadians would have preferred a President Hillary. Here is one of the few more or less positive Canadian opinion pieces about Trump. The author also says that J. Trudeau can still make the grade as a good Prime Minister. However, not if his formula continues "pushing natives, gender, and eco-extremism." I would add pushing refugees.

Conrad Black: Trump is grating, but he's a true leader
— and America needs him
Despite his liberties with the truth, Trump has amassed the most faithful record of modern U.S. presidents in doing what he promised to do

Yes well, Conrad Black is the voice of reason and probity we should all heed. If he were American and had had a focus on becoming President of your fair Nation, he would have Watergated himself before ever being elected... Oh wait, that has already happened. Thank dog for you, he is Canuckistani...

[canuck]

Jump Chump!

Great slogan coracle. Now see what you've done.

[coracle]

Jump Chump!

Great slogan coracle. Now see what you've done.

A bit off the “Trump World” theme.

The picnic area at our local lake has been completely fouled up by your geese canuck.

I couldn’t help but dwell on how the only two representations of Canada I encounter of are both so full of shit.

[canuck]

A bit off the “Trump World” theme.

The picnic area at our local lake has been completely fouled up by your geese canuck.

I couldn’t help but dwell on how the only two representations of Canada I encounter of are both so full of shit.

Stop. Don't feed them your crap. Leave our geese alone.
You haven't learned the basics...

[bust]

Melania Trump's parents became citizens yesterday through the family-based immigration policy critics call "chain migration." President Trump is of course one of those biggest critics.

Melania Trump's parents become U.S. citizens through 'chain migration' Trump wants to end
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...arents-n899356

President Trump railed against chain migration just two weeks ago on Twitter. Another among countless other examples, on November 1, 2017 he wrote: "CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!" [[All caps his.)

Of course this is not surprising. And of course that is not all.

Melania Trump worked in the United States illegally when she was here on a tourist visa. She earned over $20,000 during that time.

Melania Trump modeled in US prior to getting work visa
https://apnews.com/37dc7aef0ce44077930b7436be7bfd0d

According to the AP, had Melania Trump's violations been discovered, under federal law they could have prevented her from applying for a green card, or even returning to the country on a tourist visa without first obtaining special permission.

Of course that's not what happened. Just like Jared Kushner failed to mention over 100 foreign contacts on his application for security clearance, Melania Trump failed to mention her visa violations when she later applied for a work visa, a green card, and citizenship.

Last year President Trump issued an executive order that requires immigration officials to prioritize the removal of any foreign national who has "engaged in fraud or willful misrepresentation in connection with any official matter or application before a government agency." Under that order Melania Trump could be subject to deportation.

Melania Trump would have been priority for deportation under new immigration rules
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7597221.html

Now, according to a new policy memo issued by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services [[USCIS), the USCIS is investigating to determine whether foreigners made false or fraudulent statements in their attempts to obtain legal residency in the United States. Violators will be referred to federal courts where they could be stripped of citizenship and potentially deported.

Scanning immigrants’ old fingerprints, U.S. threatens to strip thousands of citizenship
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...bbe_story.html

Of course Melania Trump will not be investigated. She'll keep her citizenship. Her parents will keep theirs.

But that won't stop Trump and his administration attempting to inflame more anti-immigrant sentiment among his base, ignoring his wife's transgressions, and shouting and spitting about the same policy that benefited her family.

Trump, his family, and his administration are a never ending ick-flood of hypocrisy.

Myopia and hypocrisy from the Trump team on immigration
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...720-story.html

Not just on immigration.

[Bham1982]

It would be more newsworthy if Trump weren't lying, projecting and engaging in absurd hypocricy.

Takes a pretty devoted cult to believe a pathological lying reality show host married to a former illegal, who has hired thousands of illegals, who has paid millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegal construction workers, is gonna "fix" the immigration system.

[TKshreve]

Yeah, well...... but Hillary's benghazi emails sent illegally to Russian uranium mines were deleted, and then somehow also just given away like socialist free stuff, when the whole time Bernie Bots were illegally mining a fake dossier that doesnt exist, but perjured themselves on a runway somewhere in uz-beki-beki-stan about that exact dossier that doesn't exist, and even if it did, it doesn't. Because, of course, the deep state antifa witches. And trickle down Chicago gun laws.

So the burden of proof is on you to prove that I'm wrong and you're right. But any links or citations you use are probably [[absolutely) fake news, so I guess we'll never agree. This is why I can't even debate libtards. Emails!

[oladub]

It would be more newsworthy if Trump weren't lying, projecting and engaging in absurd hypocricy.

Takes a pretty devoted cult to believe a pathological lying reality show host married to a former illegal, who has hired thousands of illegals, who has paid millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegal construction workers, is gonna "fix" the immigration system.

I wasn't aware that Melania was convicted of being here illegally as you implied or is she guilty because you think so? She came here on a tourist visa and then, her lawyer claims, I don't have facts proving otherwise, that she subsequently had a number of temporary work visas. Perhaps you can prove otherwise. She became a citizen on the basis of receiving an Einstein visa which, as lawyers might explain is someone who is extraordinary on their field. Lawyers get to narrow and define that field so people who don't seem to be generally extraordinary qualify.

Trump's personal record includes having hired cheap foreign labor. So do most corporations that import foreign made products. I hope you own a Ford or GM car with high domestic parts content to better qualify yourself to criticize Trump for hiring cheap and illegal foreign labor. I do. Can we assume that by mentioning this Trump fault that you oppose the presence of illegal non-citzens?

I have a couple of problems with Trump's immigration policy. Number one is that cheating employers are not imprisoned and heavily fined for knowingly hiring illegal non-citizens. Number two is that walls won't work in the long run. China's wall worked pretty well until some traitorous officials took bribes to open the gates to Mongols. As soon as we have another W. Bush or Obama, the gates will similarly be swung open.

Still, Trump has been extraordinary, relative to Bush and Obama [[That's not saying much), in trying to put a lid on illegal invaders, reducing the number of refugees, restricting where refugees come from, and generally in enforcing immigration law. Which Democrat would do better?

Hillary suggested increasing the number of Syrian refugees by 550%. Considering her SOS policies had a role in creating them, her proposal was macabre. We are still stuck though with Democratic appointed judges who side with Obama's self described illegal DACA program, order that expelled illegal non-citizens be returned here, and order that illegal invaders, criminals, be released into the general population. Also,monetary allies of illegal non-citizens, including Republicans like the Kochs, fight to retain their profitable supply of cheap labor.

[Zacha341]

Yes, hypocrisy, lying et al, after which is said, proven and adjudicated remaining is the impact relative to Detroit, MI:

Do Detroiter benefit from open borders, increased numbers of illegals? Considering the escalating poverty, child morbidity, lack of employment, and dwindling recourses [[withstanding downtown/ midtown) can we afford it?

I doubt most Detroiter's are siding with Trump on any level, but many not really seeing the benefit of a zero sum immigration system.

Indeed we need immigration reform that considers US citizens [[and per local interest of this blog - Detroit) first at this point.

Why is that so criminal/ alt right to say?

The repubs, MAGA or whatever don't OWN that view.

They don't unless we give it over to them fully. And if they own it, we forget the content of what is really going on. The issue remains branded the Alt-right/ Trumpster set, so fully invalid [[sensible immigration policy).

Even liberal Canada says no to some seeking immigration. Gee I thought it was just mean ole' USA that did that.

It would be more newsworthy if Trump weren't lying, projecting and engaging in absurd hypocricy.

Takes a pretty devoted cult to believe a pathological lying reality show host married to a former illegal, who has hired thousands of illegals, who has paid millions in fines for repeatedly hiring illegal construction workers, is gonna "fix" the immigration system.

[Zacha341]

Hah! I caught that nuance [[bolded item)! It's all crazy and much of legal/ illegal issue folds back over itself [[as you note) again and again. Dependent on how it to be used and leveraged.

Trump's personal record includes having hired cheap foreign labor. So do most corporations that import foreign made products. I hope you own a Ford or GM car with high domestic parts content to better qualify yourself to criticize Trump for hiring cheap and illegal foreign labor. I do. Can we assume that by mentioning this Trump fault that you oppose the presence of illegal non-citzens?

[Bham1982]

Yeah, well...... but Hillary's benghazi emails sent illegally to Russian uranium mines were deleted, and then somehow also just given away like socialist free stuff, when the whole time Bernie Bots were illegally mining a fake dossier that doesnt exist, but perjured themselves on a runway somewhere in uz-beki-beki-stan about that exact dossier that doesn't exist, and even if it did, it doesn't. Because, of course, the deep state antifa witches. And trickle down Chicago gun laws.

You covered everything but Hillary's child sex ring in the basement of a pizzeria, Mexicans are rapists and murderers, Western Europe is evil and Russia is wonderful, and the "fact" that Obama's really a secret Muslim Kenyan commie. Otherwise, you covered all of the desperately projecting Trump/Hannity/Kremlin lies quite well!

Nice job at lying whataboutism! Stalin would be proud.

So the burden of proof is on you to prove that I'm wrong and you're right. But any links or citations you use are probably [[absolutely) fake news, so I guess we'll never agree. This is why I can't even debate libtards. Emails!

Putting aside your deranged conspiracy theory claims, you can't debate "libtards" [[meaning anyone unwilling to give Dotard-Putin a BJ) because you refuse to accept reality.

Everything I wrote [[Melania arrived as an illegal, Trump has hired tons of illegals and Trump has been fined millions for hiring illegals) is common knowledge and has been repeatedly well-documented in the press, whether conservative or liberal-leaning. You can find all this on very conservative papers like WSJ. I'm happy to provide links.

If you can't accept basic reality, like Trump's history re. immigration, you're a cultist. The only alternative is if you acknowledge reality but are lying/trolling/paid propagandist. Which is it?

[Bham1982]

I wasn't aware that Melania was convicted of being here illegally as you implied or is she guilty because you think so?

I don't know what you mean by "convicted" [[there is no such thing as being "convicted" for undocumented status; the crime is the specific activity, like unauthorized work), but if you honestly weren't aware that Melania came as an illegal, I truly feel sorry for you. You are completely brainwashed.

Even conservative papers have published her pay stubs while she was here under a tourist visa, which is standard operating procedure for illegal migration. Most illegals come under tourist or visitor visas, then stay and work off-the-books, just like Melania.

Trump's personal record includes having hired cheap foreign labor. So do most corporations that import foreign made products.

Wrong. Trump's personal record includes mass hiring of illegals, for which he has been repeatedly fined. I am not aware of "most corporations" hiring illegals and have no idea what his cheap foreign crap has to do with anything.

I hope you own a Ford or GM car with high domestic parts content to better qualify yourself to criticize Trump for hiring cheap and illegal foreign labor. I do.

What does Trump repeatedly breaking the law to blatantly hire illegals to build Manhattan highrises have to do with my preferences in cars? Bizarre. If I drive an Audi it's cool if Trump hired thousands of Polish illegals, but if I drive an F-150 it's a problem? What color is the sky in your world?

[oladub]

I don't know what you mean by "convicted" [[there is no such thing as being "convicted" for undocumented status; the crime is the specific activity, like unauthorized work), but if you honestly weren't aware that Melania came as an illegal, I truly feel sorry for you. You are completely brainwashed.

Even conservative papers have published her pay stubs while she was here under a tourist visa, which is standard operating procedure for illegal migration. Most illegals come under tourist or visitor visas, then stay and work off-the-books, just like Melania.

Bham, Either I failed to make myself clear or you are having a little trouble following along. You wrote that Trump was married to a foreign illegal. But Melania was never convicted of being an illegal so, as I put it, she must be guilty because of what you want to believe. Remember, one is innocent until being proven guilty or because Bham says so. I suggested you prove otherwise. Beliefs are not proofs.

What does Trump repeatedly breaking the law to blatantly hire illegals to build Manhattan highrises have to do with my preferences in cars? Bizarre. If I drive an Audi it's cool if Trump hired thousands of Polish illegals, but if I drive an F-150 it's a problem? What color is the sky in your world?

Wrong. Trump's personal record includes mass hiring of illegals, for which he has been repeatedly fined. I am not aware of "most corporations" hiring illegals and have no idea what his cheap foreign crap has to do with anything.

Illegal non-citizens are a source of "cheap foreign labor". I wrote that "most corporations that import foreign made products" hire cheap foreign labor. Of course they do! They often close manufacturing plants in the U.S. and open them in places like Mexico or Vietnam. Mexican auto factories pay $2/hour. Sending jobs abroad or importing cheaper foreign labor, legal or otherwise, is profitable. I didn't justify Trump for hiring cheap and illegal foreign labor. I instead pointed out that purchasers of foreign auto products, among other things, utilize cheap foreign labor. Maybe driving an Audi is "cool" to you but when I see someone driving an Audi, I think about places like Flint that went from having 80,000 union auto jobs to having 8,000 auto jobs. I don't think that creating Flints is "cool".

[bust]

Indeed we need immigration reform that considers US citizens [[and per local interest of this blog - Detroit) first at this point.

Why is that so criminal/ alt right to say?

The repubs, MAGA or whatever don't OWN that view.

I agree with you! Except it is certainly not a criminal / alt right thing to say.

Wesley Mouch and I had a civilized discussion about this on another thread where I outlined the need for a sensible immigration policy that puts the interests of our nation first.

It is cynical political strategy by the republicans to paint democrats as wanting open borders. And it's been working effectively. They seem to have successfully persuaded you that's the democrats' position. But it's simply not true.

[bust]

Melania was never convicted of being an illegal so, as I put it, she must be guilty because of what you want to believe. Remember, one is innocent until being proven guilty or because Bham says so. I suggested you prove otherwise. Beliefs are not proofs.

Oladub, I agree with part of what you said. But I suggest you read the AP article, or any of countless others that have been written on the subject of the illegal work Melania Trump did here in violation of her tourist visa.

The AP has collected detailed accounting ledgers, contracts, and related documents that show a modeling agency paid her for 10 modeling assignments while she was here on that tourist visa. The documents show she earned $20,056, plus the agency paid for her rent, her pager, and lent her money.

The evidence does not equal a criminal conviction because she never went to trial. But they do constitute clear proof. If it's not clear enough proof for you, you must think illegal immigration is barely a problem. After all only a relatively small number of illegal immigration cases are proven in court compared to the number of illegal immigrants most estimates say exist here.

Trump doesn't think they deserve a trial anyway, even though our constitution says they do.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1010900865602019329

Due Process for Undocumented Immigrants, Explained
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/u...mmigrants.html

[oladub]

Bust, Lawyers don't always tell the truth but according to Melania's lawyer. "Mrs Trump came to the US in 1996, first on a tourist visa then later a string of working visas for skilled immigrants.

AP, often not in Trump's corner, says otherwise. One source might be more accurate than the other. I would lean toward AP but if AP is right, what are you or anyone else going to do about it? Should we also bring up Obama's Auntie Zeituni and Uncle Onyango while we are at it? Both were illegal aliens ordered out of the Country. Neither left.

I don't think Melania's case, which unlike Auntie Zeituni and Uncle Onyango's cases didn't even go to trial, is the issue. More likely, it is another smokescreen about possible hypocrisy on Trump's part and trying to substitute that for the larger problem of 11-20 million illegal non-citizens in our Country occupying our schools, taking our jobs, and even voting. In 2008, I was active in the Ron Paul campaign. His enemies accused him of being hypocritical for accepting Social Security. He pointed out that he had been forced to pay into it and that accepting SS checks was his only way of getting some of it back even if he didn't politically support Social Security. We also see hypocrisy criticisms of Trump [[talking points?) because his in-laws came in through legal chain migration provisions. The more important thing about Trump is that he plans to restrict chain migration. Meanwhile, his wife's relatives have every right to be U.S. citizens.

The Constitution does not specifically say that illegal non-citizens deserve a trial. It was a court decision that established that the 5th and 6th Amendment grant the right to a public trial to all people on U.S. soil. In most cases, trials shouldn't take more than 10 minutes. "Let me see your visa or proof of citizenship. You don't have any? Have a nice trip home. Next." Claiming refugee status involves more court time to sort things out but our Country puts a lid on numbers of refugees it accepts. The Constitution also guarantees that the federal government will defend our borders which it has failed to do at least 11 million times and allows states to individually defend borders until such time as the federal government takes over. It should also be noted that one third of illegal non-citizens overstayed their visas and never came across the Mexican border. Five of Mohammed Atta's crew members were part of the latter category. They were illegal non-citizens not "immigrants". They probably didn't even intend to show up at their Constitutionally required immigration hearings.

We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country,"-Barack Obama

[Zacha341]

Yes, I hear you for sure. Actually, I meant the Radical Far Left, not 'democrats' per se. Many dems are finding this quotient in their midst increasingly over the top and seeking to distance themselves for sake of the party.

And they [[democrats) will continue to loose votes the louder and crazier the Far Left gets in their repudiation of Trump. Many Americans do not feel represented by the extremes within the repubs/ dems.

...It is cynical political strategy by the republicans to paint democrats as wanting open borders. And it's been working effectively. They seem to have successfully persuaded you that's the democrats' position. But it's simply not true.

[Zacha341]

There you go! Bringing up old stuff ----!

We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country,"-Barack Obama