MI Recount in Detroit and Wayne County

**Cincinnati_Kid** · December-06-16, 10:47 AM

What I find ironic is, Trump preached voter fraud, cheating and tampering, throughout his whole campaign, but now he's trying to block any state that wants to have a recount. If he's confident he won the election legitimately, why fight the recounts? Let the chips fall, where they may.

**Wesley Mouch** · December-09-16, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid

What I find ironic is, Trump preached voter fraud, cheating and tampering, throughout his whole campaign, but now he's trying to block any state that wants to have a recount. If he's confident he won the election legitimately, why fight the recounts? Let the chips fall, where they may.

Fighting stupidity that undermines confidence in elections is reasonable. Fights about voter fraud should occur before elections. We need a system where the winners and losers respect the results. R's didn't respect Obama. D's don't seem to be respecting Trump. Both are undermining democracy.

**erikd** · December-10-16, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Fighting stupidity that undermines confidence in elections is reasonable. Fights about voter fraud should occur before elections. We need a system where the winners and losers respect the results. R's didn't respect Obama. D's don't seem to be respecting Trump. Both are undermining democracy.

The Green Party candidate is challenging the results [[and also saying straight-out that she doesn't expect a recount to change the outcome), not the Democratic candidate or Democratic Party.

The Dems haven't challenged the legitimacy or the results of the election.

Trump was the only candidate who said that he wouldn't accept the results of the election if he didn't win.

Clinton, Sanders, the DNC, the RNC, and all of the other Republican candidates said that they would respect the results of the election.

Trump is the only candidate who was undermining the confidence in our democratic system. The Republicans may not respect Obama, but they didn't question the results or legitimacy of the elections. Except for Trump, of course, who famously challenged the legitimacy of Obama, with his promotion of the bullshit "birtherism" conspiracy theory that Obama had forged his birth certificate.

It is incorrect and dangerous to say that both Republicans and Democrats are not respecting election outcomes and undermining our democracy. Other than our newly elected president, it is only the small radical fringe groups on the left and right that are doing this.

**Honky Tonk** · December-10-16, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by erikd

The Green Party candidate is challenging the results [[and also saying straight-out that she doesn't expect a recount to change the outcome), not the Democratic candidate or Democratic Party.

The Dems haven't challenged the legitimacy or the results of the election.

Trump was the only candidate who said that he wouldn't accept the results of the election if he didn't win.

Clinton, Sanders, the DNC, the RNC, and all of the other Republican candidates said that they would respect the results of the election.

Trump is the only candidate who was undermining the confidence in our democratic system. The Republicans may not respect Obama, but they didn't question the results or legitimacy of the elections. Except for Trump, of course, who famously challenged the legitimacy of Obama, with his promotion of the bullshit "birtherism" conspiracy theory that Obama had forged his birth certificate.

It is incorrect and dangerous to say that both Republicans and Democrats are not respecting election outcomes and undermining our democracy. Other than our newly elected president, it is only the small radical fringe groups on the left and right that are doing this.

You are aware, of course, the whole Obama/birth certificate/legitimacy issue was started by Mrs. Clinton when she was running against Mr. Obama in 2008?

**ABetterDetroit** · December-10-16, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

You are aware, of course, the whole Obama/birth certificate/legitimacy issue was started by Mrs. Clinton when she was running against Mr. Obama in 2008?

The "Jeffy did it first" defense of Family Circus fame masterfully played yet again. dang...

**Honky Tonk** · December-10-16, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

The "Jeffy did it first" defense of Family Circus fame masterfully played yet again. dang...

A quick search of the "internet" will verify my post. Might I suggest trying "Google"?

**EastsideAl** · December-10-16, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

You are aware, of course, the whole Obama/birth certificate/legitimacy issue was started by Mrs. Clinton when she was running against Mr. Obama in 2008?

This is proven Trumpist fake news bullshit.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ther-movement/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/16/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...still-no-ther/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8367cce07401

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us...her-obama.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...clinton-228304

**Wesley Mouch** · December-12-16, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by EastsideAl

This is proven Trumpist fake news bullshit....

From the Politico article: "Some hardcore Clinton backers circulated the rumors in 2008, but the campaign itself steered clear."

I believe this... but trust that people will also remember that Trump isn't a white nationalist either. We can't disavow 'fake news' about our side, yet believe 'fake news' about the other side.

**Bham1982** · December-12-16, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

I believe this... but trust that people will also remember that Trump isn't a white nationalist either.

Yeah, and water isn't wet and the Pope isn't Catholic...

**emu steve** · December-13-16, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

You are aware, of course, the whole Obama/birth certificate/legitimacy issue was started by Mrs. Clinton when she was running against Mr. Obama in 2008?

Come on Honky Tonk:

Some Clinton staffers raised the question and dropped it. That is fair inquiry.

What Trump did was 100 times worse.

He took something which had been disproved to the 'reasonable man' [[are you reasonable Donald?) and ran with it for years. He knew it was false but because people believed it he peddled it because he could make political capital with it.

The Catholic Church has 'mortal' and 'venial' sins. What the Clinton folks did was venial. What Trump did was mortal.

Is the presidency an ill gotten good by Trump? If so, will it be worth it? [[and see post below):