Countdown to the election

**ejames01** · October-15-16, 06:43 AM

I will have to go with the candidate that isn't insane.

**gnome** · October-15-16, 06:57 AM

The first presidential campaign I worked on was for Goldwater. I have been a Republican all my life, and while I often cross the aisle, I stay pretty close to my belief that center-right is the best way to go.

Not this year.

I am for Gary Johnson even though he hasn't a smidgen of a chance. I am voting for Johnson because the two-parties have brought us two horrid choices and we feel we have no choice but to vote for evil or the spawn of evil.

Part of the reason we have no choice is because no third party has been able to crack into the public funds that have been set aside for presidential elections.

They need 15% in 2016 to qualify for public financing in 2020.

So I am not wasting my vote, voting for the future.

Join me.

**GMan** · October-15-16, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

The first presidential campaign I worked on was for Goldwater. I have been a Republican all my life, and while I often cross the aisle, I stay pretty close to my belief that center-right is the best way to go.

Not this year.

I am for Gary Johnson even though he hasn't a smidgen of a chance. I am voting for Johnson because the two-parties have brought us two horrid choices and we feel we have no choice but to vote for evil or the spawn of evil.

Part of the reason we have no choice is because no third party has been able to crack into the public funds that have been set aside for presidential elections.

They need 15% in 2016 to qualify for public financing in 2020.

So I am not wasting my vote, voting for the future.

Join me.

Sorry cant join you here. A vote for a 3rd party a such in such a crucial time as this is a vote thrown away.
We will end up with a known failure at foreign and domestic policy [[ Hillary) or an unknown that the establishment is doing its best to defeat because he just might put a damper on their raping and pillaging of this country.

No I am not enamored with Trump, but if you look at the enemies trying to defeat him, his flaws look small in comparison.
It's sort of funny how the liberals have a new found morality when it comes to Trumps supposed aggression's to women but how they gave B. Clinton a pass when his aggression's were proven actions, some committed while he was on the job. [[Blue Dress)

Let's take this off the table and talk about Hillary's actions while S.O.S.
She fueled the unrest in the middle east which allowed our enemies to flourish all the while the Clinton Foundation was accepting money from the Saudi's and Qatar who were also funding what is now ISIS
Hillary and Bill... Give up that money from those foriegn governments and send it to Flint, or Baltimore or Furgeson.
Stop using this country to make your family richer.

**Zacha341** · October-16-16, 02:53 AM

I hear you on this perspective G! "...evil or the spawn of evil"...... Yeah it's all a bit too derivative for me as well.

And I hate how this specific election is causing so much enmity between friends/ family to even discuss, defend or defer not to re. these two.

The latest argumentation advancing Mrs. Clinton I engaged to a point was that if she were REALLY that corrupt, the debate moderators would of course bring up examples for her to explain. So she must be ok! --

-- How do you even respond to that?

Where do you even start!?

I find many of the pro Trump arguments and justifications equally troublesome.

Originally Posted by gnome

I am voting for Johnson because the two-parties have brought us two horrid choices and we feel we have no choice but to vote for evil or the spawn of evil.

Part of the reason we have no choice is because no third party has been able to crack into the public funds that have been set aside for presidential elections.

**Pam** · October-17-16, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

The first presidential campaign I worked on was for Goldwater. I have been a Republican all my life, and while I often cross the aisle, I stay pretty close to my belief that center-right is the best way to go.

Not this year.

I am for Gary Johnson even though he hasn't a smidgen of a chance. I am voting for Johnson because the two-parties have brought us two horrid choices and we feel we have no choice but to vote for evil or the spawn of evil.

Part of the reason we have no choice is because no third party has been able to crack into the public funds that have been set aside for presidential elections.

They need 15% in 2016 to qualify for public financing in 2020.

So I am not wasting my vote, voting for the future.

Join me.

Agree that a third party vote is not a wasted vote except I'm going Green.
People saying it's the wrong time to vote third party are wrong. It's the perfect time with the 2 worst candidates in history. [[Though I don't have a lot of hope that all the votes will be counted accurately.)

**GMan** · October-18-16, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

Agree that a third party vote is not a wasted vote except I'm going Green.
People saying it's the wrong time to vote third party are wrong. It's the perfect time with the 2 worst candidates in history. [[Though I don't have a lot of hope that all the votes will be counted accurately.)

Problem is that 3rd party bleeds votes from election. Neither stands a chance and haven't built a platform up to a national level to even be considered. The argument that they don't have the funds to do so is represented by the fact that they don't have the groundswell of support to warrant it.
The fact is that the major parties use the third party support to bleed votes away from their candidates opponents.
During a national election where supreme court justice nominations and the approval of a global socialist agenda are at stake, a vote for a third party is wasted.
"United We Stand." R.P.

**Pam** · October-18-16, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by GMan

Problem is that 3rd party bleeds votes from election. Neither stands a chance and haven't built a platform up to a national level to even be considered. The argument that they don't have the funds to do so is represented by the fact that they don't have the groundswell of support to warrant it.
The fact is that the major parties use the third party support to bleed votes away from their candidates opponents.
During a national election where supreme court justice nominations and the approval of a global socialist agenda are at stake, a vote for a third party is wasted.
"United We Stand." R.P.

Sorry neither Trump or Clinton reflect my views so I won't vote for either.
What global socialist agenda? There is a global oligarchic corporate agenda.

**GMan** · October-18-16, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Sorry neither Trump or Clinton reflect my views so I won't vote for either.
What global socialist agenda? There is a global oligarchic corporate agenda.

Pam I understand your frustration with the candidates at hand but that is what we are left with.

One has had the reigns of government in her hands, is backed heavily by foreign dollars and wants open borders and the TPP. [[her words not mine.)

The other throws around rhetoric around that attempts to unify and then says something to inflame the very parties he is courting. He has the status quo entrenched against him but at the very least has used his dollars to run a campaign aimed at making changes to the globalist positions that those corporations are lobbying government for. [[Mabey because he didn't get invited to the party I don't know.)
Either way we know the outcome if HRC gets in. We are less sure we know if it's Trump.
Logic say's doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome is ridiculous. Voting for a third party will assure HRC's election.
I'll take the chance on the unknown.
But it is your vote and at least you are casting it.

**G-DDT** · October-15-16, 07:51 PM

People saying flipped out things online that all Trump "ever did" was "say some mean things". To clarify the ignorance of a previous poster, Trump has been courting politics since the 80's when we had guys like David Duke, Pat Robertson, and just some old Yale-y Phi Beta Kappa/Skull & Bones oil millionaire envoy to China who also happened to be a UN ambassador and head of the CIA and member of the Council of Foreign Relations and among many clubs-the Bohemian Grove and [[like Goldwater) despised Civil Rights [[but we were constantly fed this line from everyone in the media to SNL that he was just an "innocuous wimp"-yeah, I don't think so....) all looking to get a foothold in the main political spotlight.

Trump is in the business of ruining lives. He pisses away other folk's investments and comes out unscathed. He sociopathically steps on every little person in his land grabs and developments. He ruined folks with his university and with his casinos http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...-little-people. Alsohttp://www.syracuse.com/politics/ind...our_state.html.

Do not fool yourself. Trump is in it for Trump. Whether he is placed there to sow discord and make others look better, give Pence a leg up to get in, be the figurehead for the fascist "new clampdown" that may affect the entire Western Hemisphere, or just playing out some garishly epitomized role of an "Anti-Christ" to prove the dispensational evangelicals right in their "prophetic time-lining" that they want to get everyone locked into, Trump will cause much more bad than good and not care what path of destruction he leaves in his wake. He is not mere bluster and bad manners. He is as I pointed out, someone who acts like a despised callous sociopath who wallows in his own crapulence.

There is no apologetics for him. There is no excuse for his behavior. There are veteran members of the press who frequently comment that this is the most ridiculous election they have ever seen.

**canuck** · October-15-16, 09:48 PM

The scariest thing about this election is the enthusiasm for Trump that borders on hero worship for a chump. I really hate to see folks rave for a new messiah to flat out dismiss everything that seems wrong in their lives. Looking for a strong leader in someone like Mussolini, a soulless clown, a weathervane, a lazy hate monger that screams for the masses but never has a thought for a single one of them.

**G-DDT** · October-15-16, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by canuck

The scariest thing about this election is the enthusiasm for Trump that borders on hero worship for a chump. I really hate to see folks rave for a new messiah to flat out dismiss everything that seems wrong in their lives. Looking for a strong leader in someone like Mussolini, a soulless clown, a weathervane, a lazy hate monger that screams for the masses but never has a thought for a single one of them.

Granted, I wouldn't wish this on anyone, but this is what became of Benito in the end.http://www.historyinanhour.com/2010/...ini-execution/

**G-DDT** · October-15-16, 09:59 PM

One point I forgot to bring up in post #95 is that Clinton [[like Carter before him, but oddly enough, not like Obama, which has me lawyers seeing Obama leaning more towards Reagan than Clinton ever could) boycotted the Alfalfa Club.

**GMan** · October-16-16, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by G-DDT

People saying flipped out things online that all Trump "ever did" was "say some mean things". To clarify the ignorance of a previous poster, Trump has been courting politics since the 80's when we had guys like David Duke, Pat Robertson, and just some old Yale-y Phi Beta Kappa/Skull & Bones oil millionaire envoy to China who also happened to be a UN ambassador and head of the CIA and member of the Council of Foreign Relations and among many clubs-the Bohemian Grove and [[like Goldwater) despised Civil Rights [[but we were constantly fed this line from everyone in the media to SNL that he was just an "innocuous wimp"-yeah, I don't think so....) all looking to get a foothold in the main political spotlight.

Trump is in the business of ruining lives. He pisses away other folk's investments and comes out unscathed. He sociopathically steps on every little person in his land grabs and developments. He ruined folks with his university and with his casinos http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...-little-people. Alsohttp://www.syracuse.com/politics/ind...our_state.html.

Do not fool yourself. Trump is in it for Trump. Whether he is placed there to sow discord and make others look better, give Pence a leg up to get in, be the figurehead for the fascist "new clampdown" that may affect the entire Western Hemisphere, or just playing out some garishly epitomized role of an "Anti-Christ" to prove the dispensational evangelicals right in their "prophetic time-lining" that they want to get everyone locked into, Trump will cause much more bad than good and not care what path of destruction he leaves in his wake. He is not mere bluster and bad manners. He is as I pointed out, someone who acts like a despised callous sociopath who wallows in his own crapulence.

There is no apologetics for him. There is no excuse for his behavior. There are veteran members of the press who frequently comment that this is the most ridiculous election they have ever seen.

No GDDT Clarify your own ignorance. Everything you mention about Trump reads like a HRC resume. The only difference is that she never completed anything that benefited the general populace. Only her own bank account. She has destroyed lives in all she has touched from her time in her personal law practice to S.O.S. it's a story of death and deception and a growing bank account.
No I don't worship the ground Trump walks on. He's only a man. But I see that fact that everyone deeply entrenched in this corrupt system of government is against him. The government media complex is against him. The worlds socialist leaders are against him. The corporate globalists are against him. And yet there he is. Exposing them for the hypocrites they are.
To vote for a third party now is a vote thrown away. I did this in my younger day and I've seen the results. Trumps election will probably be the fertile ground that does bring about a viable third party in the future especially since the Republican establishment is self destructing.

So go ahead and worship the Hillary corporate globalist Democrat. It shows your allegiance to the current government structure of handouts.

G.Man

**Honky Tonk** · October-16-16, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by GMan

No GDDT Clarify your own ignorance. Everything you mention about Trump reads like a HRC resume. The only difference is that she never completed anything that benefited the general populace. Only her own bank account. She has destroyed lives in all she has touched from her time in her personal law practice to S.O.S. it's a story of death and deception and a growing bank account.
No I don't worship the ground Trump walks on. He's only a man. But I see that fact that everyone deeply entrenched in this corrupt system of government is against him. The government media complex is against him. The worlds socialist leaders are against him. The corporate globalists are against him. And yet there he is. Exposing them for the hypocrites they are.
To vote for a third party now is a vote thrown away. I did this in my younger day and I've seen the results. Trumps election will probably be the fertile ground that does bring about a viable third party in the future especially since the Republican establishment is self destructing.

So go ahead and worship the Hillary corporate globalist Democrat. It shows your allegiance to the current government structure of handouts.

G.Man

I.O.U. a beer...

**oladub** · October-16-16, 10:51 AM

A probable Hillary presidency has Russia building bomb shelters and recalling its citizens living abroad. US workers should be equally worried about their futures based on Hillary's record and stated goals.

Recent email leaks have portrayed Hillary as the champion of the elite. She promises "immigration reforms" to bring in more foreign workers and keep the illegal ones here. The Law of Supply and demand says more people competing for the same number of jobs drives down wages. She promises to bring in huge numbers of Syrian refugees she created to similarly take US jobs and soak up social services designed to help Americans assuring us they will be vetted. In one of her speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs for $675,000, Hillary described the 83% of Americans who do not want immigration increased as being "fundamentally unAmerican". In another WikiLeak, Hillary supports "open borders" when giving a paid speech to a Brazilian Bank. "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders..." But now, for the election, Hillary claims she is against the TPP that she previously described as"the gold standard in free trade agreements" As Senator, Hillary helped open up a TATA office in New York. TATA is the Indian firm specializing in replacing higher paid US workers with lower paid Indian IT workers and known for its contracts requiring fired US workers to train their replacements.

Hillary bombs Muslims and then brings in the survivors as refugees. Hillary does everything imaginable to hurt US workers and then supports higher minimum wages [[let them eat cake). Hillary accuses Trump of groping after defending rapists and while she supports drafting our daughters. Its a pattern. Perhaps Hillary is appealing to the sado-masochist vote and the rest of us just can't see that. What next in Hillary's sado-masochist narrative, teaching our children to hide under their desks when the air raid siren goes off?

**Honky Tonk** · October-16-16, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by oladub

What next... teaching our children to hide under their desks when the air raid siren goes off?

No, teaching our children to hide under their desks, while "well vetted" Jihadists blast away @ a school Christmas party.

**Zacha341** · October-16-16, 11:34 AM

^^^ Or perhaps both!

**Bong-Man** · October-18-16, 09:33 AM

The same man who sponsored 'the birther movement' now brings you 'the fixed election'....no coincidence there ! When this is over, the Republicans will still have to face their biggest enemy....themselves.

Before the release of the sex tape, I wouldn't have known Billy Bush Jr. from Billy Carter Jr. Then I hear they were paying the guy 3 million bucks a year. He wouldn't have done that job for $300,000 ? We should all be pissed that he didn't alert his own cousins about the tape's existence during the Republican primaries.

Still chuckling about Geraldo's tapes. Apparently left on the cutting room floor of his brother's basement...probably after someone pointed out to him his own career might be in jeopardy by what they included. What a circus !

**GMan** · October-18-16, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

The same man who sponsored 'the birther movement' now brings you 'the fixed election'....no coincidence there ! When this is over, the Republicans will still have to face their biggest enemy....themselves.

S

Do you mean Podesta, HRC's advisor? He was the one that suggested citizenship as an issue during HRC's run against O.

And yes the Replublican and Democrat parties are both imploding.

**Pam** · October-18-16, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bong-Man

The same man who sponsored 'the birther movement' now brings you 'the fixed election'....no coincidence there ! When this is over, the Republicans will still have to face their biggest enemy....themselves.

Before the release of the sex tape, I wouldn't have known Billy Bush Jr. from Billy Carter Jr. Then I hear they were paying the guy 3 million bucks a year. He wouldn't have done that job for $300,000 ? We should all be pissed that he didn't alert his own cousins about the tape's existence during the Republican primaries.

Still chuckling about Geraldo's tapes. Apparently left on the cutting room floor of his brother's basement...probably after someone pointed out to him his own career might be in jeopardy by what they included. What a circus !

The Democratic primary was rigged. May I suggest you do some reading starting here? The Bernie Sanders supporters watched it happen. People stuck in lines to vote for hours, people finding their registrations were flipped or erased, people finding boxes of ballots with Bernie's name whited out...and more. These things all happened.

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...Election-Fraud

**jackie5275** · October-18-16, 12:56 PM

I just wonder how little will be on social media once the election is over.

**Jimaz** · October-18-16, 02:03 PM

Watch "Donald Trump" try to parallel-park a "tank":

"Donald Trump" Visits Minority Neighborhoods • Triumph's Summer Election Special 2016

**coracle** · October-19-16, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

There are actually 6 party choices for President on the Michigan ballot. Dem. Repub, Libertarian, Green, US Taxpayers, and Natural Law party.

Either Clinton or Trump will be President and voting for any of the others is a vote against both of them. SO IT'S A WASTED VOTE and dodging a responsibility.

Pam, when the s**t hits the fan on the 8th vote for Donald - remember it will be payback time for what she did to Bernie; [[or vote for Clinton).

**Pam** · October-20-16, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by coracle

Either Clinton or Trump will be President and voting for any of the others is a vote against both of them. SO IT'S A WASTED VOTE and dodging a responsibility.

You are right, it is a vote against both of them! I don't call that a waste. I think that is the responsible thing to do and we should all do it.

**KJ5** · October-20-16, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

You are right, it is a vote against both of them! I don't call that a waste. I think that is the responsible thing to do and we should all do it.

I agree with Pam. Clinton's rhetoric towards Russia is particularly terrifying. Let's get into Iraq 2.0 only this time Russia and Iran are on their side. Whatever could go wrong with that?