Trump To Speak Monday Det Economic Club Monday

[Bham1982]

Except that Mr. Trump is very clearly behind gay rights.

Based on what? His party is absolutely against basic human rights for gays. He, personally, has never voiced opposition to the party platform. He chose a homophobic running mate.

I don't think Trump has gays in his crosshairs like immigrants, blacks, Muslims and the like; he treats them more like he treats women: as inherently inferior curiosities.

[Bham1982]

We also get to add the little things like DNC workers that turn over emails end up dead,I guess it is different when one speaks without actions or takes action without speaking.

You have to be pretty fringe to believe such wacky conspiracy theories.

But I guess if you're crazy enough to think that Trump is a thoughtful, cerebral type with a demeanor ideal for the presidency, you could also believe that the Clintons assassinate random people in their free time.

[Richard]

You have to be pretty fringe to believe such wacky conspiracy theories.

But I guess if you're crazy enough to think that Trump is a thoughtful, cerebral type with a demeanor ideal for the presidency, you could also believe that the Clintons assassinate random people in their free time.

You must be living in a deep dark hole if you think thier time is free,come out of the White House broke and receive 100 million in donations.
Let me guess,a bird was flying in the air with a round in its claws,feeling a bit tired he dropped his load and it just randomly hits the guy in the back.
Stand in the way of money and ultimate power and anything becomes plausible.

Guy meets with wiki leaks hands over emails then days later is dead.

You could make a quick 20 grand by calling them with the real answer.

The very ones she is vowing to go against are the ones that gave her foundations millions.

Wall Street
Big banks
Large corporations etc.

Why would you publicly diss them but yet collect millions from them.

[Bham1982]

You must be living in a deep dark hole if you think thier time is free,come out of the White House broke and receive 100 million in donations.
Let me guess,a bird was flying in the air with a round in its claws,feeling a bit tired he dropped his load and it just randomly hits the guy in the back.
Stand in the way of money and ultimate power and anything becomes plausible.

I don't indulge in insane conspiracy theories. Occams razor and all that.

Right wingers have been desperately trying to "catch" the Clintons for 25 years now, and have come up empty every time. Sorry, but I don't believe the that Hillary is out assassinating people.

[Wesley Mouch]

Based on what? His party is absolutely against basic human rights for gays. He, personally, has never voiced opposition to the party platform. He chose a homophobic running mate.

I don't think Trump has gays in his crosshairs like immigrants, blacks, Muslims and the like; he treats them more like he treats women: as inherently inferior curiosities.

Your stereotyping of Republicans is a mistake. Certainly there are significant homophobic voices on the right. But the party is not monolithic.

Peter Thiel speaking at the Convention says a lot. I didn't listen to his speech, but I did listen to Trump. He was spoke warmly towards gay right, and got applause from the audience. Did you read that? Trump talking about gay rights got APPLAUSE at the party convention.

Here's a media reference from the Washington Post:

It would be a stretch to call Trump a gay-friendly candidate — he still opposes same-sex marriage — but he supports other LGBT rights and has publicly declared himself a “real friend” to the community. In April, he broke with his GOP rivals by speaking out against North Carolina’s anti-transgender bathroom law. [[He later backed off.) And last month in Cleveland, Trump brought in Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel, who became the first openly gay speaker to affirm his sexual orientation onstage at a Republican National Convention.

If you want to enhance gay rights, as I think most good people do, you'd do better by recognizing progress when it happens, and not stereotyping people based on the worst amongst them. That type of stereotyping is exactly what many accuse Trump of doing the Muslims. Because there are Muslim Terrorists, we should discriminate against Muslims. Because there are regressive Republican's, we should all them all homophobic.

There's also a point here to be made about how why people like Trump. [[And make no mistake, a lot of people do.) The discrimination against Republicans because the don't fall lock-step into each and every progressive idea on gay rights is a significant part of the problem. By labelling the right as homophobic, you are alienating people who want to be your friends on gay rights. You'd do better to say thank you, its great to see that we agree on so much.

[Richard]

I don't indulge in insane conspiracy theories. Occams razor and all that.


Right wingers have been desperately trying to "catch" the Clintons for 25 years now, and have come up empty every time. Sorry, but I don't believe the that Hillary is out assassinating people.

Never said she was stupid,she is a lawyer she knows how to isolate herself.

You are right,no Amercian government official or agency in the history of this country has ever ordered a hit.

[Bham1982]

You are right,no Amercian government official or agency in the history of this country has ever ordered a hit.

Could you give us some examples please? How about even one such example in the last century or so? Should be quite easy if Presidential candidate assassinations of U.S. citizens happen with regularity.

You have no clue how silly you sound. You will believe ANYTHING. If some insane right-wing site claimed that Hillary was a baby-eating alien demon from the planet Zorkonia you would absolutely buy it.

HRC will be your President for the next eight years. Get used to it.

[GMan]

Could you give us some examples please? How about even one such example in the last century or so? Should be quite easy if Presidential candidate assassinations of U.S. citizens happen with regularity.

You have no clue how silly you sound. You will believe ANYTHING. If some insane right-wing site claimed that Hillary was a baby-eating alien demon from the planet Zorkonia you would absolutely buy it.

HRC will be your President for the next eight years. Get used to it.

Did a quick search cause I couldn't remember the americans killed by drone strike.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-were...drone-strikes/
There was a little media coverage but it didn't last very long.
Now whats interesting that there was no due process for the known Americans fighting overseas. It was deemed important to skip around rules of engagement for them and strike now. Meanwhile back home the Obama administration was appealing to the sensibilities of the American people to provide civilian courts to hear the trials for foreign nationals captured on the battlefield. Hell some known senior leadership of the [[Al Quida sp?) organization were released from captivity with out a trial against the wishes of military advisors and went on fighting against the US troops again.
I think an Hillary would keep to this same game plan of engagement and lead us into global meltdown.

[Shai_Hulud]

Your stereotyping of Republicans is a mistake.

The Supreme Court just knocked down the latest Republican attempts to gut Roe v Wade and the Voting Rights Act. Your party is still fighting on the wrong side of battles that were lost four decades ago and you want credit for how progressive you are?

[archfan]

We also get to add the little things like DNC workers that turn over emails end up dead,I guess it is different when one speaks without actions or takes action without speaking.

Tragic, but not a conspiracy: http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

[emu steve]

Tragic, but not a conspiracy: http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

Here is Washington Post.

That area is not an area I'd be out an about at 4 in the morning.

Quite frankly I doubt it is an area would I choose to live. I would consider it too high crime area [[if it were closer to Howard U. I'd think differently):

"Rich was shot twice in the back as he walked to his townhouse about 4:20 a.m. Nothing was taken, but police have said attempted robbery is their leading theory for a motive, noting a spike in robberies in the neighborhood in the preceding weeks."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/wikileaks-offers-reward-in-killing-of-dnc-staffer-in-washington/2016/08/09/f84fcbf4-5e5b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html


https://www.google.com/maps/place/21...5!4d-77.013777

[Johnnny5]

Tragic, but not a conspiracy: http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

I'm not saying it was a conspiracy, but a website run by a husband and wife out of their home in California is not a definitive source, or final answer on anything.

[iheartthed]

Except that Mr. Trump is very clearly behind gay rights.

Donald Trump has stated that he does not support same sex marriage.

[dtowncitylover]

I'm not saying it was a conspiracy, but a website run by a husband and wife out of their home in California is not a definitive source, or final answer on anything.

Except when it fits your answer. Snopes has been around for ages and a rather fun website.

[Wesley Mouch]

Donald Trump has stated that he does not support same sex marriage.

Support of gay rights does not mean agreeing with you or other advocates one each issue.

I don't support gay marriage, although I've attended one for close family friends, but I'm in favor of every one of the actual rights of marriage, except the ability to call it marriage.

Try to understand those who disagree with you better. If you don't, Trump may get elected.

[Bham1982]

Support of gay rights does not mean agreeing with you or other advocates one each issue.

If you don't support basic human rights for gays, you are anti-gay. Simple as that.

Trump doesn't support such rights, so is anti-gay. He has been very clear that he is against equal rights for gays, and fully supports the Republican platform.

[canuck]

Trump is a chump.

[iheartthed]

Support of gay rights does not mean agreeing with you or other advocates one each issue.

I don't support gay marriage, although I've attended one for close family friends, but I'm in favor of every one of the actual rights of marriage, except the ability to call it marriage.

Try to understand those who disagree with you better. If you don't, Trump may get elected.

That is pretty much the litmus test for whether you support gay rights or not. You can't say that you support gay rights and then not be in support of a core cause of the movement. Saying that you do while you don't either suggests that you are being disingenuous or that you truly don't understand it.

[Wesley Mouch]

That is pretty much the litmus test for whether you support gay rights or not. You can't say that you support gay rights and then not be in support of a core cause of the movement. Saying that you do while you don't either suggests that you are being disingenuous or that you truly don't understand it.

It hasn't been my experience that movements and their followers always have the same agendas.

Litmus tests are a bad way of considering policy. Its a 'my way or the highway' style of problem solving.

Because we have these litmus tests for everything, we believe that legislation is the best solution. Its not.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Trump has too many variables going against him. His own party being the most important. I don't think this race will be as close as some think. Not thrilled about Clinton either, but she will clean his clock, as the lesser of two evils.

[G-DDT]

It is short-sighted to assume that gay rights is strictly a liberal issue [[just like assuming Massachusetts and Boston is-for the most part-genuinely "liberal"). Gay rights, hedonism [[think Duck Dynasty style bikers-think Frat boys on Spring break), environmentalism [[something even most conservative Lutherans back), censorship in the arts , abortion [[something Republicans used to back-including the Religious Right if it kept the population of "certain races' at a limit), and science/fighting diseases [[yeah, Bush and his Masonic backing really was going to limit stem-cell research?-what a lie.) are topics conservatives can truly embrace.

Genuine liberalism hinges on topics like war [[something many Democrats are not good at), race/immigration, capitol punishment, poverty alleviation [[you can pretend to wash a pot, but that won't stop you from having nuns track you down to confront how you inaccurately assume the Catholic faith regards charity-even after all that, does it stop you from becoming Speaker of the House of Representatives?!-ugh.), labor [[including overseas and child), and globalization are true causes that a liberal would put emphasis on.

In my travels, I encountered much to challenge assumptions I once had. The South alone had old money gays [[Think "Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil") who love their vintage porn [[no censorship there), their methamphetamine-loaded wild parties, and love the adulation they get from the local community that esteems them better than some poor, black minister.

College towns had many businesses [[salons, clothing retail and resale shops, Knick-Knack, collector items, comic book stores, book stores, record stores, art galleries. etc.) run by gays who openly put on a show of being "liberocrites" [[a term that was taught to me by the brow-furrowing, fuming struggling real liberals who've put up with it for decades). They "boo that mean old Bush and his mean old war", but when it comes time to check an election box, they are thinking in terms of tax-breaks.

I saw this in Madison, Champaign, Ann Arbor, Iowa City, Bloomington, IN, Bloomington, IL, Providence, and most of all, Cambridge. This is even blown up further in "liberal" places like Aspen or Sundance that pander to the rich [[rich who may have investment in Koch frakking and such)and beautiful and are run like well secured gated communities [[like Disneyland).

Clearly this is not the case with all gays , but I have always seen these things and had hints of it throughout history [[like with John DuPont), but by the time you get Trump supporters like Milo Yiannopoulos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos, it's official. Whether it's anyone related to the Kardashians, or Trump, or that guy [[who is like the love child of Leopold and Loeb-as I've said before), resigned to wallowing in selfish crapulence like some pompous upper class Roman "nobleman" seems to be a vogue thing nowadays. The best we can do to remedy it is by not rewarding it or giving it the support and attention it craves.

[G-DDT]

Trump has outspoken critics from many celebrities, former employees, other nations [[ouch-that's not good for diplomacy), some from his own party, and even musicians who don't want him using their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32n4h0kn-88I have to sadly laugh when I see just how stupid and sleepwalking America can be on some things. You have a car commercial-why use any song about Major Tom [[a doomed astronaut/junkie in a scrubbed mission) to sell a car [[done twice)? or Gary Numan's single [[the one with the line "nothing feels right in cars") just because it has "Cars" in the title? I even remember someone using Devo's "Beautiful World" to sell Target or Sprite or something like that. Wrong.

[emu steve]

Trump has too many variables going against him. His own party being the most important. I don't think this race will be as close as some think. Not thrilled about Clinton either, but she will clean his clock, as the lesser of two evils.

Was watching MTP [[Meet The Press Daily) and Chuck Todd had Larry Sabato, from UVa political center [[Larry has covered elections for decades) and he [[Sabato) is of the mind that the presidential race is essentially over and they are simply playing out the clock [[like the 3rd quarter of a blow out college FB game).

Also, Chuck, I think, indicated Stuart Rothenberg, another hall of fame caliber political observer apparently feels the same.

Sabato has had Clinton winning fairly big even from Spring. He has Hillary now getting about 370 electoral votes, with an outside chance it could approach 400 if the 'bottom falls out' for Trump [[that would be in Trump loses N.C., Ga., AZ, etc.)

Getting back to football [[in a tangent way), a 7 point lead in the polls a couple weeks after the last convention is a lot more solid than a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter of a FB game.

Seven point polling leads for PRESIDENT this late are pretty durable. This isn't 1988 where one candidate was essentially unknown.

Both candidates are very well known. Maybe too well known...

[Wesley Mouch]

Trump has outspoken critics from many celebrities, former employees, other nations [[ouch-that's not good for diplomacy), some from his own party, and even musicians who don't want him using their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32n4h0kn-88I have to sadly laugh when I see just how stupid and sleepwalking America can be on some things. You have a car commercial-why use any song about Major Tom [[a doomed astronaut/junkie in a scrubbed mission) to sell a car [[done twice)? or Gary Numan's single [[the one with the line "nothing feels right in cars") just because it has "Cars" in the title? I even remember someone using Devo's "Beautiful World" to sell Target or Sprite or something like that. Wrong.

Remember the good old days when rock musicians wouldn't be seen dead cavorting with corporations.

Who was it that first took big corporate money. Springsteen? I'm not sure about that at all, but I clearly remember the shock that Rock Sold Out.

[Honky Tonk]

Remember the good old days when rock musicians wouldn't be seen dead cavorting with corporations.

Who was it that first took big corporate money. Springsteen? I'm not sure about that at all, but I clearly remember the shock that Rock Sold Out.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/rock-...rcial-jingles/