Can you name something that makes you feel Detroit is on a comeback

[Strong]

There's a lot of talk among Detroiters and even in national and international news reports that Detroit is making a comeback.
Is there one construction job that has happen or a news announcement that makes you believe in the comeback?
Is there a building to be built or renovation that should happen that would convince you if you're not there yet?
Just asking you know what I have done.

[Hermod]

I would guess that the first major project that occurs without tax incentives would mark the return of Detroit. Another sign would be a developer putting up on spec fifty or so McMansions on the east side.

[detroitsgwenivere]

Definitely home building in neighborhoods outside of downtown and midtown. If that happens it will signal that families are moving back in, not just us onesie twosies.

[Junjie]

Definitely home building in neighborhoods outside of downtown and midtown. If that happens it will signal that families are moving back in, not just us onesie twosies.

This.

Has there been a nice uptick downtown? Absolutely. But new homes in the neighborhoods would mean the city of Detroit as a whole was growing again.

[SDCC]

The dysfunctional and crooked school system called DPS would turn off any family considering moving to Detroit. The Yuppies are great, and have turned the ghost town known as downtown, into a promising area. Midtown is hot as well – except Spain elementary. Attracting families is not on the horizon; families will never move to Detroit – en masse – as long as the public schools are decrepit, crooked, and seem to hire their administrators right out of the parole office.

[BankruptcyGuy]

The dysfunctional and crooked school system called DPS would turn off any family considering moving to Detroit. The Yuppies are great, and have turned the ghost town known as downtown, into a promising area. Midtown is hot as well – except Spain elementary. Attracting families is not on the horizon; families will never move to Detroit – en masse – as long as the public schools are decrepit, crooked, and seem to hire their administrators right out of the parole office.

Chicago Public Schools is not far behind. The difference is that they have many private and parochial school options for the yuppies who have kids.

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

Chicago Public Schools is not far behind. The difference is that they have many private and parochial school options for the yuppies who have kids.

The path to good schools in Detroit does not lie in public schools, regardless of the money thrown at it. I think Michigan should use Detroit as a pilot all-choice city. Let all government money for K-12 education in Detroit follow the kids to whatever school will take them. Incorporate the current public schools that don't close as separate not-for-profits run by a board made up of parents and teachers. Since the schools are both terrible and broke, there is no downside. If it leads to better results for kids, expand it statewide.

[Honky Tonk]

Would Not Send My Dog To DPS

Why send him? He could probably score a job there and you'd be drawing extra income for your household.

[SDCC]

Why send him? He could probably score a job there and you'd be drawing extra income for your household.

They don't seem to have a very high threshold as far as ethics or integrity is concerned, he might have a shot.

[masterblaster]

To the perpetual haters - Chicago48, Bham82, TTime

Nobody is saying the whole city or even most of the city is COMING BACK. My neighborhood, Warrendale, is still in slow decline. The vast majority of neighborhoods from Dexter-Davison to Brightmoor to Conant Gardens to Boynton to Old Redford are stagnant or falling still.

All of us cheerleaders are cognizant that it is just a SMALL part of the city that is coming back. Downtown, Midtown, Corktown, East Riverfront, the Villages. Neighborhoods like University District, Rosedale Park, East English Village are relatively steady.

All of us cheerleaders know that DPS is still terrible, that property tax rates are still high, that incidence of violent crime is still high and has not shown consistent decline. We can still be happy about the few areas that are growing. Nobody's trying to sell you on Highland Park's or Jefferson-Chalmer's renaissance, so please stop making it seem like people are trying to convince you that the majority of the city is getting better and that the population of the city is growing again and that its a great place for families.

[Pat001]

People younger than 50 have never known a time when Detroit wasn't "coming back."

[masterblaster]

The dysfunctional and crooked school system called DPS would turn off any family considering moving to Detroit. The Yuppies are great, and have turned the ghost town known as downtown, into a promising area. Midtown is hot as well – except Spain elementary. Attracting families is not on the horizon; families will never move to Detroit – en masse – as long as the public schools are decrepit, crooked, and seem to hire their administrators right out of the parole office.

I have heard great things about Chrysler Elementary in Lafayette Park.
It scores an 8 out of 10 according to the following website
http://www.greatschools.org/michigan...entary-School/

In addition, there are several great high schools - Cass Tech, Renaissance, Detroit School of Arts, Communication & Media Arts

[SDCC]

I have heard great things about Chrysler Elementary in Lafayette Park.
It scores an 8 out of 10 according to the following website
http://www.greatschools.org/michigan...entary-School/

In addition, there are several great high schools - Cass Tech, Renaissance, Detroit School of Arts, Communication & Media Arts

Renaissance High is a shining light - Star - in the city of Detroit. I'm not just speaking of the local or state level, I'm talking nationally. Renaissance is an excellent school, as is Cass Tech, however comparing the two schools side by side, Renaissance scores much higher [[almost double in some rankings) than Cass Tech. Cass Tech is another great school, but by far Renaissance is firmly in 1st place - Bravo.
The majority of the other schools in DPS did not do so well, however, I would like to see clean, brightly lite classrooms, with sanitary bathrooms that are completely functional, in a building that has adequate supplies, and is safe and structurally sound, prior to me ranking, or criticizing any students.

[SammyS]

>90% occupancy
>$1.50/sq ft rentals downtown and >$1.20 midtown
~30% appreciation pa since 2012.....at least where I was looking
If that's not a comeback, it certainly signifies more demand than only a few years ago

[BankruptcyGuy]

There's a lot of talk among Detroiters and even in national and international news reports that Detroit is making a comeback.
Is there one construction job that has happen or a news announcement that makes you believe in the comeback?
Is there a building to be built or renovation that should happen that would convince you if you're not there yet?
Just asking you know what I have done.

City Place Detroit.

http://www.cityplacedetroit.com/

Complete renovation of a 320-unit apartment complex. Not downtown proper. The building has a waiting list longer than your arm. Non-local developer who owns in many different large towns; now looks at Detroit not as a charity case but a solid way to make money in a real estate investment [[and did, as a matter of fact).

[Detroit Stylin]

City Place Detroit.

http://www.cityplacedetroit.com/

Complete renovation of a 320-unit apartment complex. Not downtown proper. The building has a waiting list longer than your arm. Non-local developer who owns in many different large towns; now looks at Detroit not as a charity case but a solid way to make money in a real estate investment [[and did, as a matter of fact).

Yep this is my building. SO much better than when I first moved here in 2013. A Canadian group came through and sunk 10 mil into the building, gutted out every unit and renovated the whole building including adding a bunch of amenities.

[TTime]

There will be a "comeback" of sorts when significant numbers of people move to the city because it's a nice place to live, not because their boss told them to or because they could take advantage of an empowerment zone or other government program. For me, oversized swing sets, trendy restaurants and stadiums don't translate into a comeback but a few decades of slow progress without any major hiccups in the economy and a reversal of the population loss and anything is possible I guess. I'll also know Detroit is doing ok when people quit trying to sell me on a "comeback" every 15 seconds.

[Chicago48]

There will be a "comeback" of sorts when significant numbers of people move to the city because it's a nice place to live, not because their boss told them to or because they could take advantage of an empowerment zone or other government program. For me, oversized swing sets, trendy restaurants and stadiums don't translate into a comeback but a few decades of slow progress without any major hiccups in the economy and a reversal of the population loss and anything is possible I guess. I'll also know Detroit is doing ok when people quit trying to sell me on a "comeback" every 15 seconds.

Good comment!

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

My friends in NYC no longer think I'm crazy for moving back to Detroit. Several have visited and would like to visit again.

[buzzman0077]

When we moved to Detroit in 2009 The Kales had 8 apartments to show us that were available and we got a 11th floor 1200sqft place for $1000 a month, when we asked about breaking or lease early three years later, they we more than happy to help us. They had a waiting list 20 deep for two bedrooms and were going to charge the new renters 1500 a month. That's when I new it was starting. When you go down now and see all the construction, and they all have waiting lists once they start taking reservations, that's how you know it's in full swing.

[Bobl]

There is definitely a comeback, heavily subsidized, in Midtown and Downtown. When there are good jobs available to all, vacant homes are replaced, it is safe to go to a gas station or to functional schools, the City will have made real progress.

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

There is definitely a comeback, heavily subsidized, in Midtown and Downtown. When there are good jobs available to all, vacant homes are replaced, it is safe to go to a gas station or to functional schools, the City will have made real progress.

Somewhat subsidized, and the level of subsidy needed to lure people and jobs is shrinking. Agree on most of your points, but I will point out that a great deal of Detroit's unemployed are not readily employable, and that is the problem. Between lack of a functioning education [[many high school non-grads, some grads who still lack basic reading & math skills), lack of job history, and lack of skills to get a job, the number of unemployable Detroiters is into the 6 figures [[how many exactly I don't know; I bet no one actually knows). A gigantic new enterprise could open in Detroit and seek to hire Detroiters, but many of those people would not get hired. Everyone who is in that situation needs to be prodded by everyone they know to take advantage of an adult education program, and start working somewhere [[even as a volunteer) to get skills and learn professional responsibility. The problem with adults in that situation is that you can't externally impose a fix on them. You can offer opportunity and encouragement, but it is up to them to step up and do it.

[Honky Tonk]

Can You Name Something That Makes You Feel Detroit Is On A Comeback?

I no longer have to use The Club when I park my car @ night.
I can leave a pair of old gloves on the car seat, and they'll be there in the morning AND the passenger side window.
A For Sale building won't be stripped, gutted, and spray painted.
Owner of said building won't be fined $500 by the City for graffiti.
The police actually show up.
The City's major source of income won't be parking tickets and towing.
I can walk to the local pizza shop without being robbed @ gunpoint.

[Zacha341]

Do you mean when these things become a reality or is it where you live!

Can You Name Something That Makes You Feel Detroit Is On A Comeback?

I no longer have to use The Club when I park my car @ night.
I can leave a pair of old gloves on the car seat, and they'll be there in the morning AND the passenger side window.
A For Sale building won't be stripped, gutted, and spray painted.
Owner of said building won't be fined $500 by the City for graffiti.
The police actually show up.
The City's major source of income won't be parking tickets and towing.
I can walk to the local pizza shop without being robbed @ gunpoint.

[Honky Tonk]

Do you mean when these things become a reality or is it where you live!

When they become a reality, Zacha341. I, supposedly, live in one of the nicer Detroit areas.