Trump wants Muslims out!

[coracle]

Looks like Trump isn't the only one that "Wants Muslims out". Time Magazine person of the year Angela Merkal has suddenly realized that "multiculturalism" is a stupid policy and she is going to get rid of some/many of the refugees. Soon there will only be our left wing idiots, both Dem. and Rep. that are still for it because they know "who we are".

[G-DDT]

What is "Democrat" now is more akin to the Republican right-wing nature of the '80s. So, it is a given that Republicans are even further from being "liberal". Everything in value has been shifted and re-labeled. Exactly the issues with language Orwell warned about.

Seems when conservatives attack Obama, it is for weary straws they keep clutching and re-hashing [[ie. "Is he Muslim?" "Is he even a citizen?"). Yet, you never hear conservatives attacking him for being a member of the "Alfalfa Club", for saying right from the beginning of the race in 2008 that he would continue and escalate war [[and eventually kill off all international opponents), or that he thought Reagan was a "good President" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFLuOBsNMZA[[the full interview at his Springfield office that was shown on Democracy Now in 2008 was far more praising of Reagan and made my jaw drop as I realized where he was coming from). Nor are you going to hear them denounce him for the passive way he let the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster go for many days without intervening [[contrary to what Wikipedia and others recount, I recall that disaster carried on much longer than it should, with no action by the government being taken).

In many ways, Obama on the surface is a moderate, but in many ways he was a Trojan Horse godsend for Republicans and the powers that be who wanted to discredit any upcoming "liberal" or "black" politicians. A majority of African Americans and Liberals I've met from state to state [[especially in New York) never identified with Obama or felt he genuinely represented them, and many of them who felt this [[like me,) knew this from the getgo.

Even just the way McCain [[the guy who didn't want to celebrate MLK's B-day in Arizona or was well connected to the S & L Scandalhttp://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...n_a_crook.html) was propped up there with Palin [["that adorable ditz") in 2008 and given impromptu idiocy-like the "Obama is a Arab" lady [[you don't have to watch shows like "Freaks & Geeks", "That 70's Show", or "The Simpsons" to know that every "political campaign townhall meet and greet Q & A appearance" has been carefully contrived for a long time with cue-card coached questions from handpicked tools-so, how that was thrown out there then seemed very orchestrated.) demonstrates it was a given that favor was engineered in Obama's favor.

[Pam]

Michael Moore protests outside Trump Tower:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim

[coracle]

Michael Moore protests outside Trump Tower:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim

If you go to your webpage example and scroll down to the large picture of Muslim Moore standing in front of Trump Tower I think you will agree it's a total phony. The head and shoulders don't line up with his pants; the torso behind the placard is proportionally too large for his head; nothing is really "in line" and the facial and hands pallor looks phony and don't look to be his.He probably photoshopped it at the Northern Michigan house that he's going to"let" to a government sponsored refugee family.

[Pam]

If you go to your webpage example and scroll down to the large picture of Muslim Moore standing in front of Trump Tower I think you will agree it's a total phony. The head and shoulders don't line up with his pants; the torso behind the placard is proportionally too large for his head; nothing is really "in line" and the facial and hands pallor looks phony and don't look to be his.He probably photoshopped it at the Northern Michigan house that he's going to"let" to a government sponsored refugee family.

As conspiracy theories go, that one is pretty weak.

[Honky Tonk]

If you go to your webpage example and scroll down to the large picture of Muslim Moore standing in front of Trump Tower I think you will agree it's a total phony. The head and shoulders don't line up with his pants; the torso behind the placard is proportionally too large for his head; nothing is really "in line" and the facial and hands pallor looks phony and don't look to be his.He probably photoshopped it at the Northern Michigan house that he's going to"let" to a government sponsored refugee family.

I agree, it looks like Photoshop......

[Zacha341]

Time out! Now you go put those digital crayons back in the box HT!

[Jimaz]

Attachment 29020
Stephen Colbert's: No country For Anyone Not Already Here

[coracle]

Political wisdom.

Carson said "Islam's Sharia Law is not compatible with the US Constitution" which should have been so obvious to everybody - but it took a Brain Surgeon to work it out.

Hillary said "women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat". She seems to be oblivious the fact that that makes men the prime victims. [[but then she is a woman!!!!!)[[might have to edit that out).

Hillary to Trump. "Maybe you should stop cherishing women and respect them".
Trump to Hillary. "have you met Bill Clinton?"

[Jimaz]

Michael Moore protests outside Trump Tower:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/weareallmuslim

Where to Invade Next - Michael Moore's New Film - Official Trailer

[Honky Tonk]

Where to Invade Next - Michael Moore's New Film - Official Trailer

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[coracle]

Where to Invade Next - Michael Moore's New Film - Official Trailer

He's obviously speaking from experience, looking like he's already eaten everybody else's lunch. Typical socialist who wants to share the misery around rather than persuade the non-achievers to do it for themselves.

[G-DDT]

The over-abused tendency to paint a Hitler mustache on anyone and anything and compare what it is to Nazi-ism is many times unfounded. Yet, there are times when a duck is to be called a duck. Much of the mind-fogging, emotion-driven, rabble-rousing found in today's rhetoric geared towards Islamophobia, isolationism, and xenophobia bears a strong resemblance to the early rumblings of Nazism and deserves such a labeling [[seeing as Nazism was history's last warning to us of what can happen if we don't stay vigilant against similar things-as anything can wear the mask of the oppressor).

For those of you who wish to persist in such tired rhetoric, I advise perusing something: Huffington Post printed an exhaustive list of Islamophobic acts since the Paris attacks-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/all-the-islamophobic-acts-in-us-canada-since-paris_564cee09e4b031745cef9dda. For some of you, I might advise on not going to it, as it will freeze up our computer [[maybe not with the premium computers of you more privileged Oakland County types out there). This may be because it was poorly constructed, to expansive to load up, or something ugly was spiked into it.

I myself don't necessarily need it, as I have been closely observing the ugly trends reported in the Press & Guide here in Dearborn/Dearborn Heights that go beyond quibbles over Mosques in sterling heights or visits from the "Rev." Terry Jones. I will be willing to compile a short, recent list of events if needed.

In the meantime, let us consider that these things bear similarities to the Synagogues being torched in the Europe of the 30's.http://www.khou.com/story/news/local...sque/77910456/

[RaumVogel]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b031745cef9dda

I isolated the link so it is now clickable.

Hate begets hate...just stop it.

[Jimaz]

He's obviously speaking from experience, looking like he's already eaten everybody else's lunch. Typical socialist who wants to share the misery around rather than persuade the non-achievers to do it for themselves.

Why do you hate America?

[oladub]

Name one "Islamophobic" act on the scale of 9/11. 2,996 were killed by 19 Muslims in the name of their religion on 9/11. To equate "quibbles over Mosques in Sterling Heights or visits from the "Rev." Terry Jones" is preposterous. If the perpetrators of 9/11 would have had backpack nukes or other WMD's at their disposal, is there anyone here who thinks they wouldn't have used them? FDR and even Jimmy Carter had the sense to temporarily restrain immigrations from communist and fascist countries and in Carter's case; Iran. Since 9/11, Muslims in the US have killed 45 people for ideological reasons and non-Muslims of all stripes have killed 48 people for ideological reasons. Given that there are 318M people in the US of whom 3M are Muslim, that works out to Muslims in the US killing 100x as many people for ideological reasons PER CAPITA as non Muslims. Or including 9/11, and why not, Muslims in the US killed 10,000x as many people for ideological reasons PER CAPITA as non Muslims. I realize that liberals are adverse to statistics and can't quite understand scale but these are the numbers. If you think my math is wrong, work it out for yourself. 45 and 48 are NY Times numbers, the population numbers come from the US Census, and 2,996 is found on wikipedia. Most Muslims do not do such violent things of course but both facts are true.

Given that Hillary and Sanders both have promised to use dictatorial executive powers to legislate their agendas, a strong case could be made that Hillary and Sanders are promising to behave more like Hitler although at least Hitler was operating under the Enabling Act of 1938 that the Reichstag had given him. Trump, Hillary, and Sanders are instead promising to violate their oath of office whether or not Congress endows them with an enabling act superceding Article 1, Section 1. The First Amendment promises Muslim Americans the same freedom to observe their religion as anyone else. In that, Trump is wrong. However, it is fully within the power of Congress and is the duty of Congress to defend this country from foreign aggression and establish naturalization rules. That's exactly what FDR and Carter did.

[Jimaz]

Where to Invade Next - Michael Moore's New Film - Official Trailer

He's obviously speaking from experience, looking like he's already eaten everybody else's lunch. Typical socialist who wants to share the misery around rather than persuade the non-achievers to do it for themselves.

Why do you hate America?

Okay, let's make this easier. What don't you hate about America?

[Honky Tonk]

In the meantime, let us consider that these things bear similarities to the Synagogues being torched in the Europe of the 30's.http://www.khou.com/story/news/local...sque/77910456/

Or more recently, Christian churches being torched and Christians themselves being slaughtered in Muslim countries.

[coracle]

You're #40 and #42 are delusional Jimaz. Go back to your comics as per #15 and #16 of this thread, and reread #17 slowly for best effect.

[G-DDT]

Geez, Jimaz, we wouldn't want to be discredited for what kind media we use [[let's hope our critics never resorted to chincy memes from other posts to defend their arguments. After all, that would be the equivalent to the lowest brow of delivering a message via. bumper sticker-style humor) to illustrate a point.

Yet, what are silly cartoons and comics?

Probably the first thing folks used to look to in newspapers. Things that cut back to primordial pictographs. I'm sure cartoonist, Art Spiegelman, could go into great detail into the analysis of cartoons. Yet, who is he? Oh yeah, he only wrote the Pulitzer Prize winning, Maus, illustrating the horrors of what his Jewish father endured during Nazi-controlled Poland. It was featured at MOMA, highly acclaimed-by Umberto Eco, of all folks [[After all, Name of the Rose was about a suppressed book that featured cartoons satirizing a corrupt church.), and I still find it difficult to find any bookstore or library that doesn't carry it. So, it has become an institution that will endure time, unlike any of our sad ephemeral posts, much less those sadder posts of cranks who provide no examples, no sources for their statistics, no balance to their argument, and can only post bumper-sticker style memes in their weak attempts at applying their underdeveloped sense of humor.

I may mention Crumb, but only as a popular example to connect with more folks online. To be honest, I was once a fan of Crumb, but I have some issues that still linger after the film came out. At least he is still makes relevant points and is book read [[not to mention one heck of a good banjo doctor). Why I can mention guys I find more worthwhile in example, but they are too esoteric and it would make me a name-dropping culture snob talking over other folk's heads. I like Ron Cobb [[http://almostpinklemon.tumblr.com/po...tical-cartoonsand this classichttps://peterlachnewinsky.wordpress....itical-poetry/)more than I like Crumb [[who has bitten some ideas of off Cobb), and without him, we wouldn't have had the advanced look of Star Wars that changed Science Fiction cinema forever. I could mention the wonderful clan of dream cartoonists that came out in the '90s [[including Jim Woodring and Aleksandar Zograf) or things far more elaborate and obscure.

The fact is, this country started out with cartoonists who wrote many harsh political depictions of British Rule and continued to draw as more and more issues developed. They instructed and bolstered folks during the war effort of the '40s. I'm surprised the harsh photo-montage work of John Heartfield http://www.dirtyharrry.com/1974/08/john-heartfield.html[[which probably inspired a lot of the brutal and incisively back covers of the Mad Magazines from the 70's that addressed issues of the Vietnam warhttp://envisioningtheamericandream.c...agazine-world/, drug addiction, smoking, pollution, Nixon, and urban living like this 10/71 cover http://members.localnet.com/~docsteve/notes/notes_and_rants.html) survived like it did, as he was critical of Nazi Germany and had to flee many times. Oh my, did that anti-Semitic and anti-unionist cartoonist Disney make history and shape the American landscape? Even today, there are many nonfiction graphic novels that cover every historical aspect from the history of unions, the Bush regime, Hip Hop, and the many topics covered by Paradox Press' "Big Book" series.

Cartoons aren't just silly whims, and underground ones, in particular, went beyond just boobies and drugs to say a good many of things. Yet, those who go by the internet or do lazy searches into things will only turn up the boobies, Hustler humor, and hentai [[something genuine underground cartoonists wanted to distance themselves from since "Cherry Pop Tart" and Ralph Freakin' Bakshi-yeah, Kurtzman was playing a Rule 34 one-trick pony with Little Fanny Annie, but at least, his stuff touched on social trends to critique and treated sex-with all of it's ugly let-downs and tensions and traumas-with the same brutal honesty most underground cartoonists addressed. Hentai only tantalizes with stupid, unrealistic masturbatory flights of fantasy.) style of chub they were meant to snare their ignorance upon. It's sad that those heavily filtered and spoon-fed mindsets who write off cartoons as a medium, can't strive beyond arbitrary popular misinterpretations and superficial layers to see the truth [[dare I say, bulldada) contained therein.

More over, cartoons and comics appeal to something genuinely child-like [[a value Jesus Christ highly esteemed) in us all. Someone who can't make time for Calvin & Hobbes or Mutts or Peanuts, is a person who fails to understand that there is much power in laughter [[yet, humor can be misused in the wrong hands and has proven so lately and even as far back as the birth of Mardi Gras).

Of course, you know all of this, Jimaz, for I am merely stating things over your shoulder to those dull-eyed mentalities who still have a choice to rethink and rethink matters, laugh at things [[the "transition from Day people to Night people" as Jean Shepherd put it), and moreover, laugh at themselves and maybe catch some of the details that they've been glossing over for far too long.

The attack on culture [[and most particularly incisive and relevant humor) really revealed itself with the taming down of many potent things in 2000-2002 [[after all, the cowboy runs the show, to put it in Lynchian terms). I feel an attack on what mediums we utilize [[no matter how silly they seem) to make a pertinent point is more revealing to the deeper disease at work here and must be called out, lest, we witness a more galvanized hostility towards comics that rivals that of Wertham.

[G-DDT]

Also, let's not overlook the persecution of Muslims going on in Myanmar that the popular media does not touch upon. We wouldn't want to be seen as a country that relives Lt. William Calley-style massacres that Roger Cabiness has to cover up or deny, be it firing mercilessly on a hospital in Kunduz or firing upon 20-30 Iraqi soldiers on our side.

Yet, Trump is a big noise. He also contradicts himself on his feelings towards the Clintons and their affairs. http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...-toward-women/Pay attention to the running partners of any of these guys. Pay attention to the way Trump is really hamming up his anti-Christ role [[as if to prove and actualize and get out of the way all the short-routed expectations that Pre-millenial Dispensational Christianity maps out for us in their errors they spoon feed us. What would be oddly scary is having a real "Anti-Christ" follow afterwards-be it a bunch of CGI or Christ clones to last 1,000 years in a reclaimed temple in a Dominionist ruled Palestine. Who Knows?).

[Jimaz]

... Of course, you know all of this, Jimaz,....

Or maybe not.

This is hardly worth your effort.

A challenge from one unwittingly-grammatically-challenged Trump minion concerns me not at all, but a potential collaboration between Eco and Crumb? Now that would be genius!

Edit: Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt, a collaboration between Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco comes to mind.

[coracle]

Or maybe not.

This is hardly worth your effort.

A challenge from one unwittingly-grammatically-challenged Trump minion concerns me not at all, but a potential collaboration between Eco and Crumb? Now that would be genius!

Edit: Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt, a collaboration between Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco comes to mind.

I don't blame you. How ya gonna shake him off? I think he's more than just an "unwittingly-grammatically-challenged Trump minion" that concerns you not at all. He's a fan. Stick with Eco and Crumb and don't read him to retain your sanity.

[oladub]

Crumb responded to the Islamic murderers of the Charlie Hedbo staff with his own cartoon.
The ex-pat artist, who has lived in France for 25 years, talks to the Observer about his [[1-10-15) cartoon of Muhammed