President Bans Military-Style Equip. For Police [[incl. Wayne, Oakland, Macomb etc)

**Richard** · December-07-15, 08:11 AM

The bank shooting in Cali years ago where the officers had to borrow weapons from gun shops to match the shooters weapons?

What if that situation was reversed where somebody got a hold of a specialized vehicle,how would you stop it with out the next step of calling in the military with a bigger stick.

Weapons under 50 caliber,a 50 caliber round is almost 6" long and can be in armor piercing and incendiary,you could level a house with those rounds,so they still have plenty of fire power if needed.

They still have access to armored and tactical vehicles in a controlled situation that proves that they are needed or justified,some little town in the mountains does not need a whole armored contingent to fight moonshiners but you cannot say no to them but yes to everybody else so it has to be across the board decision and based on do you really need this or do you have this because it is available.

In Israel there is a military armed soldier pretty much on every street corner,so it is pretty much a way of life there where here we read posts about the lasting impressions of the effects of the military rolling down the streets of U.S. cities in the past during riots.

LEO still has excess to protective measures in their arsenal,the only thing that changes is it will only apply when it is necessary.

**Johnnny5** · December-07-15, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Richard

The bank shooting in Cali years ago where the officers had to borrow weapons from gun shops to match the shooters weapons?

What if that situation was reversed where somebody got a hold of a specialized vehicle,how would you stop it with out the next step of calling in the military with a bigger stick.

Weapons under 50 caliber,a 50 caliber round is almost 6" long and can be in armor piercing and incendiary,you could level a house with those rounds,so they still have plenty of fire power if needed.

They still have access to armored and tactical vehicles in a controlled situation that proves that they are needed or justified,some little town in the mountains does not need a whole armored contingent to fight moonshiners but you cannot say no to them but yes to everybody else so it has to be across the board decision and based on do you really need this or do you have this because it is available.

In Israel there is a military armed soldier pretty much on every street corner,so it is pretty much a way of life there where here we read posts about the lasting impressions of the effects of the military rolling down the streets of U.S. cities in the past during riots.

LEO still has excess to protective measures in their arsenal,the only thing that changes is it will only apply when it is necessary.

I'm having a bit of trouble determining if you're opposed or supportive of Obama's action, but I'll comment on a couple of your points.

First of all the late 90's bank robbery in California was the pivotal event that changed the types of weapons that local police have easy access to. Prior to that robbery most regular officers normally just carried a pistol and a shotgun. Some did have rifles, but they were typically not high capacity and were not very common. So law enforcement's inability to respond to those heavily armed bank robbers in the 1990's is part of the reason they had the ability to respond last week.

As for the "reversed" situation involving a criminal with an armored vehicle that happened in California right around the same time. The police in that case had zero ability to respond and basically just had to wait for the perp to get stuck and were lucky that he had forgotten to secure the hatch [[On the Tank!). I also remember there being a disgruntled property owner that went on a rampage with a highly modified armored bulldozer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vESIVemfG8

The .50 caliber rifles may be capable of leveling a house, but I highly doubt local law enforcement have full auto versions backed by the 1000's of rounds required to do so. Most likely they are bolt action or semi auto rifles in that caliber which could be very useful in hostage situations or for disabling vehicles. Once again, these are readily available for purchase by law enforcement [[As well as civilians) so those aren't going away. They're just going to be paid for again by us the overburdened taxpayer.

The illogical part of these actions by the White House is that they don't stop local law enforcement from acquiring or using .50 BMG rifles or tracked armored vehicles. All this action does is harm these departments by making them buy their own while the perfectly good ones they had get melted down and sold as scrap to China. So instead of that 400K dollars Macomb County could have used to pay for training, salaries and other expense it's now going to repurchase something that was wasted and thrown in the trash.