Price to Jays "Imminent"

[emu steve]

....and this is based on what?

Everyone knows Mike is getting up there. I believe 86 Monday.

BUT, everything else related to the arena projects suggests that Ilitch Holdings is all in for both baseball and hockey.

Their 'empire' seems to be getting larger then simply two sports teams and a baseball stadium and hockey arena.

If Mike was 66 we'd say he's into owning the Tigers and Wings for decades...

[emu steve]

So would someone explain why we taxpayers have to back bonds to fund new stadiums, then have sports surcharges tacked on to our basic cable bills [[I don't watch sports) all to please the owners. Then end up with struggling teams. Let the fans pay the bills for their entertainment.

One part is easy to answer, in sports 1/2 [[approximately) of teams lose [[have losing seasons) which is simply based on sports being zero-sum games or events.

I don't think anyone would have said the Tigers have struggled since what 2005? The last decade has been pretty damn good!!!

[bmick67]

Their 'empire' seems to be getting larger then simply two sports teams and a baseball stadium and hockey arena..

...and a casino

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Worst thing they could have done was sign JV to all that money. You see this all the time in all sports. Players getting long term deals, for what they did in the past, disregarding the inevitable decline that's forthcoming. He had a great 7 or 8 year run as one of the best pitchers in the baseball, but leading the league in innings pitched has finally caught up with him. JV is done, and I don't think he'll ever be the same again, his only chance is to re-invent himself like Frank Tanana did. Price keeps saying he wants to be here, but if they can get something for him and Cespedes, it's probably a no-brainer to move them at the deadline next Friday, instead of losing them and getting nothing back.

[emu steve]

Worst thing they could have done was sign JV to all that money. You see this all the time in all sports. Players getting long term deals, for what they did in the past, disregarding the inevitable decline that's forthcoming. He had a great 7 or 8 year run as one of the best pitchers in the baseball, but leading the league in innings pitched has finally caught up with him. JV is done, and I don't think he'll ever be the same again, his only chance is to re-invent himself like Frank Tanana did. Price keeps saying he wants to be here, but if they can get something for him and Cespedes, it's probably a no-brainer to move them at the deadline next Friday, instead of losing them and getting nothing back.

Yes, the JV deal will be an albatross for the Tigers.

We have a lot of big contracts because we have marque athletes [[e.g., Miggy, V-Mart, Price, JV, etc.).

The question with Price will the 'price be right'? A fair contract with a reasonable number of years. All star, ace, #1 pitchers are not easy to find.

What strikes me about the 2015 Tigers: W/out Price this team is NOT right.

[emu steve]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/view/wild-card

Want to sell even though we trail the wild card by ONLY 3 GAMES????

BTW, anyone think the Astros and Twins are 'blue chip' teams and will be there in September???

[401don]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/view/wild-card

Want to sell even though we trail the wild card by ONLY 3 GAMES????
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BTW, anyone think the Astros and Twins are 'blue chip' teams and will be there in September???

Not selling in order to play a wild card game is crazy. The Tigers need to fill 3 spots in the rotation for next year and rebuild the bullpen. You really want to sacrifice the next few yrs. when we have a nice core of everyday players for one wild card game? What KC did last yr. was a fluke and unless you win the World Series I would rather see a competitive team going forward.

[sirrealone]

Want to sell even though we trail the wild card by ONLY 3 GAMES????

To me, teams should 'buy' if they have a chance at the division. At least there you're playing a 5 or 7 game series, and in that situation, the better team prevails more often than not. Loading up to play a 1-game wildcard, where anything can happen, just doesn't sound like it's worth it. Especially not with this team, that even with a couple of extra pieces, just does not look equipped to win two series, even if they did make it past the 'coin flip' game.

[Dbest]

Not selling in order to play a wild card game is crazy. The Tigers need to fill 3 spots in the rotation for next year and rebuild the bullpen. You really want to sacrifice the next few yrs. when we have a nice core of everyday players for one wild card game? What KC did last yr. was a fluke and unless you win the World Series I would rather see a competitive team going forward.

There have been PLENTY of teams who have been a Wild Card and won the World Series. The Marlins have done it twice. So have the Angels and others. I'd rather them come in as an underdog with a fire under their ass compared to what they have done as Division Champs in the playoffs the past few years. That being said, the wild card is going to be a challenge to obtain. Pitching is pretty spotty this year, in the past we could rely on them.

[emu steve]

Not selling in order to play a wild card game is crazy. The Tigers need to fill 3 spots in the rotation for next year and rebuild the bullpen. You really want to sacrifice the next few yrs. when we have a nice core of everyday players for one wild card game? What KC did last yr. was a fluke and unless you win the World Series I would rather see a competitive team going forward.

I want to sign Price, Soria, Cespedes, etc.

No one is going to give us a possible #1 pitcher for Price. We might get prospects who are #3s.

Our experience has been that Dombrowski got much better MLB players [[some really, really nice ones) for prospects who were not [[and are not) world betters.

I'd rather trade prospects for a Price or Cespedes any day.

We just need to sign the players that we have traded for [[in the past).

[401don]

I want to sign Price, Soria, Cespedes, etc.

No one is going to give us a possible #1 pitcher for Price. We might get prospects who are #3s.

Our experience has been that Dombrowski got much better MLB players [[some really, really nice ones) for prospects who were not [[and are not) world betters.

I'd rather trade prospects for a Price or Cespedes any day.

We just need to sign the players that we have traded for [[in the past).

Okay. I don't mind paying $12 for a coke I guess but Price better perform for at least 8 of the 10 yrs., not like the return we're getting from Verlander and will get from Cabrera.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

Okay. I don't mind paying $12 for a coke I guess but Price better perform for at least 8 of the 10 yrs., not like the return we're getting from Verlander and will get from Cabrera.

I think Miggy's decline will be gradual. I mean he won't just wake up, and all of a sudden stop hitting. It won't happen as quickly like JV. Before he got hurt, Miggy was playing as well as he always has.

[Dbest]

I want to sign Price, Soria, Cespedes, etc.

No one is going to give us a possible #1 pitcher for Price. We might get prospects who are #3s.

Our experience has been that Dombrowski got much better MLB players [[some really, really nice ones) for prospects who were not [[and are not) world betters.

I'd rather trade prospects for a Price or Cespedes any day.

We just need to sign the players that we have traded for [[in the past).

Most of the prospects traded by DD were Baseball America Top Prospects. I remember Cameron Maybin being interview at a MLB future stars game[[played at the MLB All Star game site) and him being asked about being the number 1 prospect in baseball. He was the main cog in the Miggy deal. Andrew Miller was highly rated[[Miggy deal). Jacob Turner was also a very high prospect, traded in the Sanchez deal. DD has done well in trades, Fister excluded. The Granderson 3 way deal for Scherzer was genius...

[401don]

I think Miggy's decline will be gradual. I mean he won't just wake up, and all of a sudden stop hitting. It won't happen as quickly like JV. Before he got hurt, Miggy was playing as well as he always has.

I agree. With Miggy's compact swing I think he can hit until he's 40 -if healthy. It just seems like his muscular body is going to continue to provide increasing leg injuries that keep him out for extended periods of time. I still think they should allow VMart to play some 1st base and Miggy DH once or twice a week just to give Miggy a rest. It seems to be swinging the bat and running the bases, not fielding, that causes the leg injuries both have experienced.
I still think Verlander can be a decent no. 3 starter. His off-speed stuff is clearly not as good as they said. It was only impressive when offset by a 97-98 mile fastball and nobody is chasing it outside the strike zone now.

[Bham1982]

There have been PLENTY of teams who have been a Wild Card and won the World Series.

In the course of over 20 years, only three Wild Card teams have won a World Series. And now your chances have basically been cut in half with the one-game playoff.

Not saying Wild Card teams don't have a chance, but I wouldn't wager the future on a slim chance of a Wild Card berth, followed by a 50-50 one-game playoff, and then multiple series against deeper rotations. That's some serious odds.

[Dbest]

In the course of over 20 years, only three Wild Card teams have won a World Series. And now your chances have basically been cut in half with the one-game playoff.

Not saying Wild Card teams don't have a chance, but I wouldn't wager the future on a slim chance of a Wild Card berth, followed by a 50-50 one-game playoff, and then multiple series against deeper rotations. That's some serious odds.

I'd like them to trade Price too, mainly because it doesn't appear he is to interested in resigning. The writing appears to be on the wall with a story now circulating saying he wont be back. Don't pull a suh/max/monroe...

[emu steve]

Latest story from Ken Rosenthal:

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/d...-morosi-072515

W/out Price, we have one of the best position player rosters in baseball but starting pitchers who have completely failed to win this year [[Sanchez is the exemption).

That would be crazy and a total waste of Miggy, V-Mart, J.D., Iggy, Yoenis, Kinsler, McCann, etc.

Got to keep Price, get a reliever, and hope the JV we saw Friday night is a return to form and if Miggy is back [[and healthy) in three weeks, we could get on one of the 8 - 2 streaks...

[401don]

Latest story from Ken Rosenthal:

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/d...-morosi-072515

W/out Price, we have one of the best position player rosters in baseball but starting pitchers who have completely failed to win this year [[Sanchez is the exemption).

That would be crazy and a total waste of Miggy, V-Mart, J.D., Iggy, Yoenis, Kinsler, McCann, etc.

Got to keep Price, get a reliever, and hope the JV we saw Friday night is a return to form and if Miggy is back [[and healthy) in three weeks, we could get on one of the 8 - 2 streaks...

Price has already hired a moving company. They pick up the keys Wednesday at 9:00.

[Smirnoff]

Just sell all of the free agents for "something" if they will Not be signed in 2016 before they walk away clean. Tigers are struggling against last-place teams [[Seattle, Boston, etc), even if they won a wildcard slot - face reality, THEY ARE GOING NOWHERE.

Oh, and give Dombrowski & Assmus the broom, thanks for all the talk, but results speak for world series champions....

[401don]

I'm pretty indifferent to whether Dombrowski stays or goes. He's made some decent trades but the big ones-Cabrera, Price, etc. were because he was able to take on payroll that other teams needed to move. For all the talk of his great scouting staff he assembled and brought with him, the Tigers have done a terrible job of developing players. Low draft picks is no excuse either. Half the players in the Majors come from Venezuela, Dominican, etc. where there's no draft and the Tigers supposedly have a big presence.

[emu steve]

Good points. Agree with many.

Tigers have done well in Latin America and that is a big plus. Keep it up, guys. Since these prospects aren't subject to a draft, superior field work can pay off.

Getting players like Miggy, Price, etc. has been a big plus and is part of the Tigers [[and others, such as the Dodgers) modus operandi. Might add a team in D.C. which 'broke the bank' for our missing piece, Scherzer. [[IF Nathan hadn't been injured the 'pen might be better).

A big payroll is a big plus which should provide a 'floor' for the team: a 15M FA signs elsewhere another 15 - 20M player signs here. Just put different name on the back of the jersey.

[Smirnoff]

Tigers are ranked #4 highest in payroll [[$173M) & currently 10.5 games behind with a .495 winning percentage [[below 500) with ample talent on the team. Along with a non-existent farm system ranked #30 [[last place), don't see how current management [[GM & Mgr) can survive, buy hey it's Detroit.....play ball.

[401don]

Good points. Agree with many.

Tigers have done well in Latin America and that is a big plus. Keep it up, guys. Since these prospects aren't subject to a draft, superior field work can pay off.

Getting players like Miggy, Price, etc. has been a big plus and is part of the Tigers [[and others, such as the Dodgers) modus operandi. Might add a team in D.C. which 'broke the bank' for our missing piece, Scherzer. [[IF Nathan hadn't been injured the 'pen might be better).

A big payroll is a big plus which should provide a 'floor' for the team: a 15M FA signs elsewhere another 15 - 20M player signs here. Just put different name on the back of the jersey.

Tigers have done well in Latin America? With who? Alburquerque, Rondon, Infante, Santiago? None of their stars were developed by the Tigers. They bought Pudge, Ordonez, Cabrera, Guillen, Soria, etc. from other teams after they were established.

[emu steve]

Sad that both Price and Tigers apparently want a deal but nothing productive has happened...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/spo...-ace/30697761/

[emu steve]

BTW, watching ESPN's pre-game show which lead off with a long segment on the Tigers.

NO indication, is my characterization, that the Tigers want to be sellers.

I believe Buster said teams indicated that Dombrowski hasn't contacted them recently.

I still maintain with a good JV, healthy Miggy and one more arm in the 'pen, this team could play much, much better the rest of the way...

K.C. was similar last year... 3 1/2 games out of wild card...