Supreme Court Legalizes Gay Marriage Nationwide

[Danny]

I look up marriage in the dictionary. It's a union between a man and a woman.

[jcole]

I look up marriage in the dictionary. It's a union between a man and a woman.

So I guess they're going to have to update that dictionary now

[Scottathew]

I look up marriage in the dictionary. It's a union between a man and a woman.

I took your advice, the dictionary says it can be same or opposite sex. Congrats, you have defeated your own point with your own evidence.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

[Baselinepunk]

"Totally embraced by my church; yours does not trump mine. Get over it."

"It is by my most of my church!"

Frankly, I wish more Churches and places of Religious practice had more of a mindset like this.

Inclusion = good.

Discrimination and exclusion = bad.

For those who feel they've been wronged by this ruling: I suggest you look inward, reflect on what you've supported all this time and/or refer to your religious texts for some solace.

I can't pray that you will see the errors of your ways and change; that would be very inappropriate.

However, what is appropriate is my support of a Government and elected leaders that dismantle and root out all of the religious tentacles intertwined in this great Union. It is that action that will combat those little people who believe discrimination is a protection or a right to preserve something that is soooooo wrong.

[emu steve]

How this will impact Detroit will be interesting.

From article:

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 on Friday that it is legal for all Americans, no matter their gender or sexual orientation, to marry the people they love.

The decision is a historic victory for gay rights activists who have fought for years in the lower courts. Thirty-seven states and the District of Columbia already recognize marriage equality. The remaining 13 states ban these unions, even as public support has reached record levels nationwide.

The justices found that under the 14th Amendment, states must issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples and recognize same-sex unions that were legally performed in other states. Justice Anthony Kennedy delivered the majority opinion and was joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7470036.html

I take a view from 30,000 feet:

The 'problem' which we have is that the United States is an extremely pluralistic country with believers and non-believers of all stripes. Probably every faith known to mankind can be found here as well as non-believers.

As such it is difficult to 'melt' all of these believers and their beliefs [[as well as those of non-believers) into a set of public laws which doesn't infringe on others.

Should a view promulgated by Catholics, evangelicals, etc. by 'forced' on those not of those faiths?

Should the Catholic Church speak to Catholics, for Catholics, but realize that other faiths [[and those with none) may hold different views entirely?

Should other faiths be free to perform those marriage ceremonies if it is part of their beliefs?

I don't see this as 'religious freedom' as my bishop said on the radio yesterday. Whose freedom? Catholics, Methodists, Southern Baptists, Lutherans, Jews, etc. Each has their own view of same sex marriage and what it means. A contrary ruling yesterday would have infringed on the beliefs of certain religions. There is no 'religious position.'

As soon as someone states his [[or her) view, it very likely will contradict someone else.

For some religions, especially Catholics, there is the issue of public policy vs. personal behavior. Should a Catholic legislator favor same sex marriage as PUBLIC POLICY yet say, "If I were gay I would not marry [[another gay) because my faith doesn't permit it."

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Suck it Bill Schuette, it's the 21st century.

And Mackinaw, many attorneys generals and governors decided to NOT defend their unconstitutional laws and instead be on the right side of history. Snyder decided cowtow to the right because he's terrified of them; and Schuette gleefully provided a defense because he is a theocrat

[mkd]

LOL!

Another great win for Democracy!

And another great loss for those still living off of the corpse of the old world.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politi...ing/index.html

Celebrate love and life!


These recent two court rulings signal the waning days of the Republican Theocracy!

A majority of Michiganders voted against gay marriage...

And why do you have to write all this like a total d-bag. You must not be well-travelled if you think we live in a theocracy.

[Baselinepunk]

A majority of Michiganders voted against gay marriage...

And why do you have to write all this like a total d-bag. You must not be well-travelled if you think we live in a theocracy.

LOL!

Coming from a person like you -- I'll take your statement as a total compliment.

Now go drown your tears in what ever favorite beverage you have that will make your world spin well on its axis, again.

Ummm, just because the folks of this State voted in a knowingly unconstitutional law doesn't mean they were right -- they were duped; like you were.

Your response is very reflective of other folks who feel burned by their Bagger leaders.

Rightie Bagger World is not reality.

What is super awesome is that the DB that defended this thing was from Michigan government and got his ass handed to him during arguments.

I'm sure in a few minutes we will hear from Bull Schuette about how he's not going to recognize and enforce this ruling.

[Baselinepunk]

"To the extent you must have anger it should be directed at the 50% of Michiganians/Americans who just got overruled."

Ummm, there is no anger at all -- nice try, pal.

Merely celebration that all of folks who think discrimination is ok finally got crapped on.

It took a long while but they've finally had their comeuppance.

Yes, it doesn't surprise me one bit that over 50% of the people of Michigan voted for this POS law.

As evidenced by the activities of the Snyder-lead Righties and Baggers; the people of Michigan seem to always vote against their best interest.

Now, you -- and everyone else, now knows all of those little bits of Religious-based ALEC generated legislation against same-sex people in this State that were passed recently is all pretty much trash, now.

The people of Michigan should be reimbursed for the tax dollars wasted enacting and enforcing these laws; it amounts to Political Fraud".

[Baselinepunk]

"So my vote and anyone else to prevent same sex marriage does not count! That is not democracy. All Christian Churches will not approve homosexual marriages, never!"

It did count.

You just voted for something that Government cannot enforce and was unconstitutional.

You should have known that from the start, but it's very apparent you allowed your discrimination mind-set to blind you in your decision - which is your bad and not anyone else's.

You should have known that, and frankly, you should punch who ever told you this was the right thing to do, right in the face for lying to you.

Religion has NO PLACE IN GOVERNMENT!!

We'll all be better off once the Righie Bagger folks stop using Government do tell what women must do with their bodies and who a person can fall in love with and have a life with.

Rightie Baggers hate infiltration of Government, unless that infiltration aligns with their ideas and religo-wakco agenda -- then soooo ok, right?

Have another bowl of Cherrios to cry in, pal.

[Baselinepunk]

"Who wants a Governor to pick and choose which part of the Constitution to follow?"

He already does pick and choose.

Good ole Bull Schutte is his minion and Bull picks and chooses all of the time.

So your argument is basically junk.

Thanks for playing -- however, there are no parting gifts.

Don't let the door hit ya, too.

[DetBill]

A majority of Michiganders voted against gay marriage...

And why do you have to write all this like a total d-bag. You must not be well-travelled if you think we live in a theocracy.

i agree totally that Snyder and company, did what the voters wanted and carried out their job responsibilities, although its pretty clear in total allignment with their parties platform, however, Snyder amazingly signed the adoption bill allowing gay discrimination, which he could have refused to sign. What I found so odd was this constant reinforcement of carrying out the publics will. For gosh sakes your talking about a vote taken in 2004.? Even most conservative polls showed public opinion has materially changed since then. Always thought it interesting no drive for a current poll was not encouraged by our powers, gee I wonder why. All doesnt really matter now, as the Supreme Court has decided all Americans are infact equal in their desire to marry. Congrats on that one. Its nice to see majorities dont have the right to dictate minorities rights.

[gnome]

Mackinaw is correct. Almost 60% of Michigan voters voted to change the Michigan constitution and ban same-sex marriage during the Granholm years.

those are facts. Michigan voters were clear in their opinion and the Governor was required to follow the constitution of the State.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Mackinaw is correct. Almost 60% of Michigan voters voted to change the Michigan constitution and ban same-sex marriage during the Granholm years.

those are facts. Michigan voters were clear in their opinion and the Governor was required to follow the constitution of the State.

No, he CHOSE to defend an unconstitutional provision. To retain his cred with his right flank. He could, perhaps, have decided to follow the path of the US attorney general or governor and attorney general of my adopted state of CA. He absolutely did not "have to" do this.

[gnome]

No, he CHOSE to defend an unconstitutional provision. To retain his cred with his right flank. He could, perhaps, have decided to follow the path of the US attorney general or governor and attorney general of my adopted state of CA. He absolutely did not "have to" do this.

It was not unconstitutional until this morning. You know that. This morning.

When Snyder was sworn in he gave an oath to defend the Constitution of Michigan. That Constitution was amended by the a large plurality of voters to ban same-sex marriage.

Who wants a Governor to pick and choose which part of the Constitution to follow?

[iheartthed]

It was not unconstitutional until this morning. You know that. This morning.

The constitution didn't change last night. It was unconstitutional last night too.

[gnome]

The constitution didn't change last night. It was unconstitutional last night too.

Explain that for me, please. If your point is that the same-sex marriage ban was wrong from the beginning, I would agree, but being wrong and being ruled unconstitutional are different.

it is my understanding that the rulings from SCOTUS are not in effect until it is read in court. Do I misunderstand something?

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

My church was prohibited from performing my marriage. Because certain voters
and elected officials voters thought the edicts of their churches should govern. That's theocratic.

[Danny]

So my vote and anyone else to prevent same sex marriage does not count! That is not democracy. All Christian Churches will not approve homosexual marriages, never!

[gnome]

DetroiterontheWestCoast, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a theocracy is.

As a person who doesn't like labels, you should rethink what you think you know.

Today is a great day for freedom, why spend it throwing rocks?

[Danny]

That's it America has become Sodom and Gomorrah waiting to be destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven.

[Gannon]

Yeah, it was merely unconscionable before.

[scooter]

That's it America has become Sodom and Gomorrah waiting to be destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven.

Amen Danny, God is going to Destroy America now, he already gave us a wake up call in 911 and hurican Katrina, Now watch all the bad weather and other things we are going to have,
yes God is a loving God but is also a very revenagance God, you cannot change Gods word

[beachboy]

Amen Danny, God is going to Destroy America now...

1974: Gerry Ford sez "Whip Inflation Now" => WIN
2015: scooter sez "God is going to Destroy America Now..." => DAN

oops ... hidden names, scary meanings, wot' next? Bible codes?

How 'bout we pay attention to the attorneys in this group? "The
decision" is the result of a jurisprudential proceeding. The pop-
ular huhu for or against the Supreme Court decision is irrelevant.
Its impacts on Michigan's implementation of the decision are not.

Why not begin by reading the decision itself?

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf

The four dissenting opinions are appended to the above PDF.

This is an issue of jurisprudence, not of intuition or emotion. The
issue at hand pertains in practice to contractual rights and respon-
sibilities under civil law, not to religious notions or doctrines.
__________________________________________________ ________

[Gannon]

Yeah, Danny...that's what they said when Women finally got the right to vote.

And when Slavery was abolished.

And when Prohibition was repealed.

Need I go on?!


Besides, it will probably be an eruption of Yellowstone. You'll still say it is from Heaven, I'll say its from Hell. We'll both likely be wrong.