The elephant in the room: CRIME

**Zacha341** · June-23-15, 09:13 AM

Dangy, you're right HT. He did not call not one of the women bitches. And Smith still has some money. So many rappers have gone broke!

**Honky Tonk** · June-23-15, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Dangy, you're right HT. He did not call not one of the women bitches. And Smith still has some money. So many rappers have gone broke!

Yep, Smith doesn't seem to get it......

**ABetterDetroit** · June-23-15, 05:45 PM

This problem is not a "elephant in the room" or rocket science. A good blueprint to follow has already been made. All that is necessary is the investment towards the solution. A zero tolerance on illegal gun crimes would be a good start. Very high bails and mandatory minimums on any and all firearms involved crimes would save lives. A gun culture already exist in many poverty stricken communities and nobody from Washington is going to show up with a magic wand that turns them into bubble gum. It's way past due to act on the solution of strict enforcement of law on illegal guns.

http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html

**Dan Wesson** · June-24-15, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

This problem is not a "elephant in the room" or rocket science. A good blueprint to follow has already been made. All that is necessary is the investment towards the solution. A zero tolerance on illegal gun crimes would be a good start. Very high bails and mandatory minimums on any and all firearms involved crimes would save lives. A gun culture already exist in many poverty stricken communities and nobody from Washington is going to show up with a magic wand that turns them into bubble gum. It's way past due to act on the solution of strict enforcement of law on illegal guns.

http://www.nber.org/digest/jan03/w9061.html

Nice way to introduce your bias. Use your web browser's search feature and you will find that no where in that report is gun or firearm are mentioned.

How about a zero tolerance on crime itself? The elephant shakes it's head.

The real problem starts in childhood and progresses, influenced by mass media and dramatisation of violence. We as a society, ancient and modern eat this stuff up.

**Wesley Mouch** · June-24-15, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dan Wesson

Nice way to introduce your bias. Use your web browser's search feature and you will find that no where in that report is gun or firearm are mentioned.

How about a zero tolerance on crime itself? The elephant shakes it's head.

The real problem starts in childhood and progresses, influenced by mass media and dramatisation of violence. We as a society, ancient and modern eat this stuff up.

The real problem is violence in the media? Exhibit #1 of head in the sand when there's an elephant in the room. Proof? Violence is not evenly spread across society, yet media is more evenly consumed.

**Honky Tonk** · June-24-15, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

The real problem is violence in the media? Exhibit #1 of head in the sand when there's an elephant in the room. Proof? Violence is not evenly spread across society, yet media is more evenly consumed.

influenced by mass media

Exhibit #3, Reading IS fundamental.

**ABetterDetroit** · June-24-15, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dan Wesson

Nice way to introduce your bias. Use your web browser's search feature and you will find that no where in that report is gun or firearm are mentioned.

How about a zero tolerance on crime itself? The elephant shakes it's head.

The real problem starts in childhood and progresses, influenced by mass media and dramatisation of violence. We as a society, ancient and modern eat this stuff up.

Bias against illegal guns? Yes, damn right I am. A whole lot of homicides are committed with illegal guns and very little is being done about it. Besides the cost in human life which is very high, the anti 2nd amendment crowd seems perfectly content to let the problem go unchecked and let the blood spill in the streets so that they can further their agenda and use that body count to go after law abiding citizens and the legally owned guns. I'm just plain tired of reading about the convicted killers who ended up having prior felony firearms convictions that were out on the streets up until they committed murder. In many instances they were just a homicide waiting to happen. What is the point of building prisons at all if you can't protect citizens from people like that?

**Dan Wesson** · June-24-15, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

Bias against illegal guns? Yes, damn right I am. A whole lot of homicides are committed with illegal guns and very little is being done about it. Besides the cost in human life which is very high,

the anti 2nd amendment crowd seems perfectly content to let the problem go unchecked and let the blood spill in the streets so that they can further their agenda and use that body count to go after law abiding citizens and the legally owned guns.

I'm just plain tired of reading about the convicted killers who ended up having prior felony firearms convictions that were out on the streets up until they committed murder. In many instances they were just a homicide waiting to happen. What is the point of building prisons at all if you can't protect citizens from people like that?

Ahhhh, I be picking up what you be laying down now. Carry on, Sir.

**aj3647** · July-05-15, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

In many instances they were just a homicide waiting to happen. What is the point of building prisons at all if you can't protect citizens from people like that?

Because the prisons are full. Why? Because the same side of the political fence that champions gun rights also wants to lock people up and throw away the key for using drugs. The same side of the political fence that is pro-gun is also anti-marijuana legalization. So if you're asking why there's no room in prison for violent offenders, you can ask that question to the same politicians that you support and vote for. They're the hive mind behind the War on Drugs, which not only fills prisons with non-violent drug users but also fuels the very gun violence that you are concerned with.

**ABetterDetroit** · July-06-15, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

Because the prisons are full. Why? Because the same side of the political fence that champions gun rights also wants to lock people up and throw away the key for using drugs. The same side of the political fence that is pro-gun is also anti-marijuana legalization. So if you're asking why there's no room in prison for violent offenders, you can ask that question to the same politicians that you support and vote for. They're the hive mind behind the War on Drugs, which not only fills prisons with non-violent drug users but also fuels the very gun violence that you are concerned with.

I agree completely with you. All weeds should be legal. All narcotics should be decriminalized and made available and affordable to addicts and addict wannabes The money in drug trafficking fuels extreme violence. Take the money out of the equation.