GP Teens ambushed, one dies in hail of gunfire at GP/Detroit border

[Gannon]

There used to be some indication whether a post was edited or not. That used to help prove integrity of a post. Where'd that go?!

[Jimaz]

... I'm quite sure there were stories like this during the Purple Gang era of Prohibition. They were the ones who brought automatic weapons to the streets. Once Prohibition was repealed, the whole black marketplace lost its power...and reason for being. Risks to casual drinkers and innocent bystanders disappeared overnight....

That probably needs to be repeated more often. I'm afraid the old mobster "tommy gun" meme is about to drop out of our cultural memory. It was a lesson learned.

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

Especially tragic because this wouldn't have been an issue if the federal government hadn't scheduled one of the most popular medicinal herbs humankind has ever known as a dangerous drug. It would be fitting if Paige Stalker became the cause to finally end personal use prohibitions.

Gannon
I couldn't agree more...Just think of all the altered/destroyed lives of those who have done prison time as a result of being arrested and convicted of being in possession of a relatively small amount of personal use smoke. The insanity of the facts of the "war on drugs" boggles the mind. Hopefully the national trend of many states going the route of decriminalization will transcend the Federal Governments insane resistance to the same.

[Patrick]

This thread reminds me of the thread years ago that focused on those two cops murdered in their car in Detroit. Forumer Rasputin boasted that he didn't lose shit. Old timers here will remember.

[313WX]

I love my city and my neighborhood but there really are places no one should go. I almost feel like I should go into the burb schools and do a Detroit 101 class. I am certainly not trashing my city but any life lost is to be mourned. I am pretty fearless on occaison but please tell kids stay away from parks anywhere after dark that are un monitered. Don't hang out near drug houses and avoid low income housing as a place to hang out. The police did stings on the eastside and worthy people applauded as evil was removed

You would expect decent parents to teach their kids this stuff.

Instead, many in in the region have simply brainwashed their children into avoiding anything "Detroit," without explaining why. I guess their logic in doing so is to protect their children's innocence and not let them find out that life isn't all sunshine and puppies for many people in Michigan, despite the environment they're trying to raise them in.

Then the kids as they get older, being as curious as they are, think it would be "cool" to "rebel" against their parent's wishes and "explore" this "forbidden" and "foreign" place known as "Detroit." Then ultimately, you end up with a tragedies such as Paige's death.

[Bham1982]

Gannon
I couldn't agree more...Just think of all the altered/destroyed lives of those who have done prison time as a result of being arrested and convicted of being in possession of a relatively small amount of personal use smoke. The insanity of the facts of the "war on drugs" boggles the mind. Hopefully the national trend of many states going the route of decriminalization will transcend the Federal Governments insane resistance to the same.

Where in the U.S. does one do "prison time" for smoking a joint? I don't like our current drug policy, but this is a ridiculous claim.

Small-scale marijuana possession is an extremely minor offense. You get a ticket in most jurisdictions. Maybe at absolute worst you spend a night in the county jail. I can't imagine there's anywhere in the U.S. where you're being given a prison sentence, along with murderers and rapists, for a joint.

Now if you are distributing large quantities of a controlled substance, then yes, that is a very major offense, even for marijuana. But not simple possession.

[Midnight Rambler]

Decriminalize drugs and the crime rate will drop.

^^^
As if the many associated health & social problems won't skyrocket as a result.

[Gistok]

^^^
As if the many associated health & social problems won't skyrocket as a result.

Rather than continue with the doomsday slogans and excuses of the past... lets look at the results...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsul...ike-a-bargain/

http://www.inquisitr.com/1490010/is-...ly-suggest-so/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...historic-lows/

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

Where in the U.S. does one do "prison time" for smoking a joint? I don't like our current drug policy, but this is a ridiculous claim.

Small-scale marijuana possession is an extremely minor offense. You get a ticket in most jurisdictions. Maybe at absolute worst you spend a night in the county jail. I can't imagine there's anywhere in the U.S. where you're being given a prison sentence, along with murderers and rapists, for a joint.

Now if you are distributing large quantities of a controlled substance, then yes, that is a very major offense, even for marijuana. But not simple possession.

Brother Bham
Sorry my bad..having just finished a joint myself and then downing a box of Ding Dongs I obviously failed to indicate being in possession of an adequate quantity of Mary Jane [[likely in excess of a lid) which would rise to the level of incarceration in most jurisdictions and place you among other inmates that are more than happy to train the weed offender in other more lucrative criminal activities. Remember once on the inside it becomes a game of survival of the fittest regardless of how you got there and usually has a life altering effect on said controlled substance offender. Again, my apologizes for my grossly over exaggerated post and thanks for calling me out, now I gotta get back to my Ding Dongs.

[Vic01]

Especially tragic because this wouldn't have been an issue if the federal government hadn't scheduled one of the most popular medicinal herbs humankind has ever known as a dangerous drug. It would be fitting if Paige Stalker became the cause to finally end personal use prohibitions...

...My take on this is one of the best things that could come out of this would be the full legalization of cannabis. Take it OUT of the ghetto marketplaces, or at least kill their relative monopoly on distribution of this abused wonder herb. Make it so nobody ever has to risk their lives to express a basic personal choice...which should never have been made criminal in the first place. Just like the failure of Prohibition, when it ends the turmoil in the streets will all but vanish.

Who can determine the truth of whether it was only a little weed that they had in mind? As one or more posters pointed out [[a hundred or more posts ago), it's easy to get and/or smoke some weed without having to park around the corner where the shooting took place. That "story" likely is not the whole story...

It could just as easily been a little weed with some heroin on the side. Show me the full toxicology report with no other non "medicinal" drugs listed and I'll readily admit that my view was too harsh. Until then, gimme a break with the "it was only a little weed" that put these kids in danger talk.

[SyGolden48236]

Oy vey! So many folks on this website think that they know all the circumstances surrounding what happened on Monday night. None of you know anything about what really happened- you were not there. Neither was I.

The fact of the matter remains that a beautiful young woman with a very bright future was murdered in cold blood by a vicious criminal. A family is grieving, much worse grieving during Hanukkah and Christmas. No parent should have to bury their child.

And to all of the nattering nabobs trying to make this into a race or a class issue, just stop already. Being murdered is awful no matter the color of your skin, how much money you have or don't have or where you live.

The comments made by some on this website are reprehensible. How would you feel if your child was murdered and such things were said about your child or your family? Feh!

[old guy]

Where in the U.S. does one do "prison time" for smoking a joint? I don't like our current drug policy, but this is a ridiculous claim.

Small-scale marijuana possession is an extremely minor offense. You get a ticket in most jurisdictions. Maybe at absolute worst you spend a night in the county jail. I can't imagine there's anywhere in the U.S. where you're being given a prison sentence, along with murderers and rapists, for a joint.

Now if you are distributing large quantities of a controlled substance, then yes, that is a very major offense, even for marijuana. But not simple possession.

Actually Bham, and I realize most people don't realize this, but possession laws in Wisconsin are extremely harsh. Any amount of pot, first offense can land you in jail for 6 months with probation after that, and up to $1,000.00 fine.

Miscellaneous

If a person is convicted of any violation the Uniform Controlled Substances Act, the court may, in addition to any other penalties that may apply to the crime, suspend the person's operating privilege for not less than 6 months nor more than 5 years.
That means that you don't have to be arrested while driving a vehicle or even being in a vehicle. They merely assume you're unfit to operate.

If you were in Madison, you'd probably get a ticket. But I know of cases in the central and northern parts of the state where people have received 3 months in jail, probation, a fine and loss of their driving privileges.

Second offense of any amount is an automatic felony and you can do 3.5 years in prison, parole and a fine up to $10,000.00.

Sorry that this doesn't really apply to the topic at hand, but I wanted to address Bhams post.

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

[QUOTE=old guy; But I know of cases in the central and northern parts of the state where people have received 3 months in jail, probation, a fine and loss of their driving privileges.

Second offense of any amount is an automatic felony and you can do 3.5 years in prison, parole and a fine up to $10,000.00.

Sorry that this doesn't really apply to the topic at hand, but I wanted to address Bhams post.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Old Guy, and I also apoligize for drifting off topic as well.

[MotorCityTrikes]

The rejection line in Heaven is getting much longer lately. Criminals and the scum of the earth will reap what they've sown. But don't take my word for it. Take God's .........

[sumas]

There used to be some indication whether a post was edited or not. That used to help prove integrity of a post. Where'd that go?!

Wow I am naive, no clue someone could change my words and meaning. Certainly have seen where a phrase or sentence of mine gets quoted out of context to the whole text.

Can they really edit what I actually said?

[sumas]

The rejection line in Heaven is getting much longer lately. Criminals and the scum of the earth will reap what they've sown. But don't take my word for it. Take God's .........

I serious hope you are trying to be funny, if not I have seen some sick posts but if meant that would take the moldy cake prize.

Tomorrow a wake/luncheon will be held at a very expensive GP restaurant for 120 people. I guess that puts at rest that she was some Detroit scum interloper living in a cheap rental getting scholarship money.

I seriously hope her family never ever sees this thread. Too many people worrying over whether she was good enough, a GP lifer, monied or not.

Really some gross stuff written. A child died period that is enough to mourn as a society.

[Dumpling]

My two cents worth. First off I am very sorry that this happened. It is anyone's
worst nightmare and a great loss.
The crimemapp. story is that on East Warren east of Conner, over the last six months,
[[which is all it really covers for the general public) there was a pocket of armed robberies there.
Over the last two months there were fewer armed robberies maybe on East Warren.
Gun confiscations did not overlap the armed robberies neatly.
Absolutely it happens that folks from the 'burbs go to Detroit for drugs but I wouldn't say
that there is a direct overlap between these armed robberies and drug use on the part of
GPers.

[sumas]

My two cents worth. First off I am very sorry that this happened. It is anyone's
worst nightmare and a great loss.
The crimemapp. story is that on East Warren east of Conner, over the last six months,
[[which is all it really covers for the general public) there was a pocket of armed robberies there.
Over the last two months there were fewer armed robberies maybe on East Warren.
Gun confiscations did not overlap the armed robberies neatly.
Absolutely it happens that folks from the 'burbs go to Detroit for drugs but I wouldn't say
that there is a direct overlap between these armed robberies and drug use on the part of
GPers.

I HEAR YOU DUMPLING, we use crime maps and community police community meetings to keep informed of crime stats etc for our community. I truly can walk through out my Detroit neighborhood with complete confidence, however on an extended level of community there are three spots [[local to me) you will never see me go near. Wish those kids had the sense to stay away, not from Detroit, but from the "hot" spots. They just did not know. I have kids like many of us on the board and things like this hit me hard as it does others..

[Gannon]

Wow I am naive, no clue someone could change my words and meaning. Certainly have seen where a phrase or sentence of mine gets quoted out of context to the whole text.

Can they really edit what I actually said?

Moderators can, but it seems they delete instead...I'm sure it takes way less time and effort.

But I was talking about SELF-editing. There used to be a notice if someone edited their OWN posts. That way, at a glance you could see if they changed anything. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.

But there was mention of someone quoting another and THEN changing the quoted words. We used to do that to be cute and funny...but most times the altered words would be high-lighted...with some silly comment like 'here, I fixed that for ya'.

And for the record, anything less than 3 ounces in Wyoming is a misdemeanor. I can neither confirm nor deny how I know that fact.


Cheers!

[sumas]

Moderators can, but it seems they delete instead...I'm sure it takes way less time and effort.

But I was talking about SELF-editing. There used to be a notice if someone edited their OWN posts. That way, at a glance you could see if they changed anything. Sorry I wasn't clear on that.

But there was mention of someone quoting another and THEN changing the quoted words. We used to do that to be cute and funny...but most times the altered words would be high-lighted...with some silly comment like 'here, I fixed that for ya'.

And for the record, anything less than 3 ounces in Wyoming is a misdemeanor. I can neither confirm nor deny how I know that fact.


Cheers!

Certainly you must know I have zero issues with Weed and believe drug usage should be decriminalized so help is available and other wise taxed and controled for purity.

I don't do drugs and have maybe smoked MJ twice since high school. The last time was actually two years ago March 17th in memory of a dear friend who loved weed, grew it and finally needed it medically. He passed on that date. That stuff is really good now, wow even, but don't need that monkey on my back.

Sorry they hired a piss poor escort to acquire their stuff. Lots of escort/bodyguard services around. Can't live in the city without knowing these things Actually sorry they didn't know me or others on the board. All that stuff is easy to acquire, crap... discrete delivery service even.

Maybe they should have gone to Warren, Mayor Fouts is quite vocal about Warren becoming a gateway delivery system for city to burb drug transactions.

I still feel sick that a child died;

[Midnight Rambler]

Rather than continue with the doomsday slogans and excuses of the past... lets look at the results...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsul...ike-a-bargain/

http://www.inquisitr.com/1490010/is-...ly-suggest-so/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...historic-lows/

He called for the legalization of drugs...those links only pertain to marijuana.

[Dan Wesson]

A bounty is now available...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/5...death/30419682

[Jimaz]

... The crimemapp. story is ....

Are you referring to CrimeMapping.com?

I'm thinking it might be a good public service if we were to share these resources more widely.

[sumas]

Agreed, we have strong communty organizations and neighbor bonds here. The police in the 7th are fantastic and each neighbor has a direct line to the captain. I've never called her but would if something dire was in progress. Doesn't hurt that we are all gossips. and news travels fast. A close neighbor and a good friend called this morning to see if I heard the brouhaha last night around midnight. I hadn't. He has lived here for most of his life as have many others and strange as it sounds we all know when strangers not neighbors cruise our area.

The thing was our neighbor hears yelling and screaming, he gets up looks out his window and a couple not known to him were battling. The lady jumps in the car and tries to run the guy down. He runs up on the porch of a home being rehabed. She backs down so he tries to leave she comes at him again so he jumps on Miss graces porch. Eventually she leaves and goes to the gas station. Our mowed and maintained urban prairie [[maintained by neighbors) give good views, So the guy made his getaway. The gas station is a known drug station, the neighbors know it, the police know. Must say they are clever in their business and despite numerous raids they haven't been caught out yet.

[313WX]

Agreed, we have strong communty organizations and neighbor bonds here. The police in the 7th are fantastic and each neighbor has a direct line to the captain. I've never called her but would if something dire was in progress. Doesn't hurt that we are all gossips. and news travels fast. A close neighbor and a good friend called this morning to see if I heard the brouhaha last night around midnight. I hadn't. He has lived here for most of his life as have many others and strange as it sounds we all know when strangers not neighbors cruise our area.

The thing was our neighbor hears yelling and screaming, he gets up looks out his window and a couple not known to him were battling. The lady jumps in the car and tries to run the guy down. He runs up on the porch of a home being rehabed. She backs down so he tries to leave she comes at him again so he jumps on Miss graces porch. Eventually she leaves and goes to the gas station. Our mowed and maintained urban prairie [[maintained by neighbors) give good views, So the guy made his getaway. The gas station is a known drug station, the neighbors know it, the police know. Must say they are clever in their business and despite numerous raids they haven't been caught out yet.

Where is the 7th precinct police station at now? The old one at Mack and Gratiot has been closed for nearly 10 years now...