Moroun buys a politician

[Willi]

Campaign reform anyone - take the money out of the equation

[Wesley Mouch]

Campaign reform anyone - take the money out of the equation

You can't take the money out. And even if you could, it would be an even worse world where the incumbents and 'special interests' would have greater control.

Please, no, the cure would be worse than the disease.

Did I say that you really can't take the money out. Nobody can buy ads? Or would ads be reviewed by a government bureaucrat? Give money to candidates that get on the ballot? What about write-ins, like Duggan. No money?

Nice idea. But would never, ever work. Would only be a deeper trip into the hole of darkness.

Oh, and did I mention that its unconstitutional? The founding father's had this silly idea that people should be able to speak freely.

[Honky Tonk]

You can't take the money out. And even if you could, it would be an even worse world where the incumbents and 'special interests' would have greater control.

Please, no, the cure would be worse than the disease.

Did I say that you really can't take the money out. Nobody can buy ads? Or would ads be reviewed by a government bureaucrat? Give money to candidates that get on the ballot? What about write-ins, like Duggan. No money?

Nice idea. But would never, ever work. Would only be a deeper trip into the hole of darkness.

Oh, and did I mention that its unconstitutional? The founding father's had this silly idea that people should be able to speak freely.

Seriously? "incumbents and special interests would have greater control"? You mean the secretive super-pacs, handing out bags of cash under the darkness of night, have no self-serving interests? I find that a little hard to swallow.

[Wesley Mouch]

Seriously? "incumbents and special interests would have greater control"? You mean the secretive super-pacs, handing out bags of cash under the darkness of night, have no self-serving interests? I find that a little hard to swallow.

Seriously. Yes, seriously.

We know the SuperPACs have self-serving interests. Shouldn't they? That's their purpose. So if you're in favor of drilling for oil, or limiting Right-to-Work, or expanding Charters -- you get to buy your ad. And you get heard.

Exactly how does controlling how much money can be spent gets those voices heard? Who gets to decide who has a legitimate interest and who can be heard? Oh, that'll be the legislators. And you think they'll give campaign money to a fringe candidate who might challenge the system?

Yeah, try that and see just how special interests will control elections.

Our free-for-all campaign finance world is terrible and the worst system -- except for all the others.

[Honky Tonk]

Seriously. Yes, seriously.

We know the SuperPACs have self-serving interests. Shouldn't they? That's their purpose. So if you're in favor of drilling for oil, or limiting Right-to-Work, or expanding Charters -- you get to buy your ad. And you get heard.

Exactly how does controlling how much money can be spent gets those voices heard? Who gets to decide who has a legitimate interest and who can be heard? Oh, that'll be the legislators. And you think they'll give campaign money to a fringe candidate who might challenge the system?

Yeah, try that and see just how special interests will control elections.

Our free-for-all campaign finance world is terrible and the worst system -- except for all the others.

Let me ask you this then. Given my station in life, how do I get my voice heard? Or am I unworthy of having a voice? He with the most toys wins? The special interest pacs already ARE controlling the elections. Those ads aren't cheap.

[Wesley Mouch]

Let me ask you this then. Given my station in life, how do I get my voice heard? Or am I unworthy of having a voice? He with the most toys wins? The special interest pacs already ARE controlling the elections. Those ads aren't cheap.

Join.

Find your voice through your union or trade association. Unions, Realtors, Trial Lawyers, Car Dealers, NRA, Greenpeace. They all spend money advocating for their members. Sure, there are some big fish. But much of the money in these PACs come from aggregation of little contributions from money.

[loveDetroit]

Join.

Find your voice through your union or trade association. Unions, Realtors, Trial Lawyers, Car Dealers, NRA, Greenpeace. They all spend money advocating for their members. Sure, there are some big fish. But much of the money in these PACs come from aggregation of little contributions from money.

What if I join the union but disagree with who they choose to support? Now I'm voting against myself. no thanks.

[emu steve]

Let me ask you this then. Given my station in life, how do I get my voice heard? Or am I unworthy of having a voice? He with the most toys wins? The special interest pacs already ARE controlling the elections. Those ads aren't cheap.

It has now gotten so that the typical contributor is drowned out.

If one thousand contributors make contributions totally 10M [[ave. 1K), it just takes one with big bucks to match it through the super packs.

What's the purpose of the average Joe contributing say 250 bucks to his favorite party?

The ONLY saving grace is much of these tons of money is wasted. Seeing a dozen commercials a day for a month is like eating pizza twice a day for a month.

[Vic01]

...The founding father's had this silly idea that people should be able to speak freely.

I have doubts the they intended for $$$$$$$$ to equal a voice where a handful of million/billionaires can out "speak" the values, and good of, the rest of the citizens

[loveDetroit]

I have doubts the they intended for $$$$$$$$ to equal a voice where a handful of million/billionaires can out "speak" the values, and good of, the rest of the citizens

Amen. The whole process has become disgusting. And are the same littering bastards that planted all those signs along the roadway going to come back and remove them?