Beserk Gunman of the Month

**Pam** · April-03-09, 01:33 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090403/...stage_shooting

Or is it gunman of the week now?

**gibran** · April-03-09, 01:42 PM

It seems that the target were immigrants....ok where these nit just people/victims wanting to become citizens and it pissed off "who" ?

**Locke09** · April-03-09, 07:01 PM

They're saying the shooter was an immigrant too and that he was just laid off from IBM [[they're trying to verify that). Desperate times bring out the worst in people.

lilpup · April-03-09, 07:27 PM

check out this story from NPR today:

On Feb. 24, when armed immigration agents raided Yamato Engine Specialists, a small company that rebuilds car engines in Bellingham, Wash., 28 workers were led away in handcuffs. They were illegal immigrants, most of them from Mexico, and they faced quick deportation. It was the first big immigration raid under President Obama, and it came as a shock to many in the Hispanic community.
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Now, one month later, 27 of the 28 workers have been released. One of them — Luis Ramos — says he can't get over how nice the immigration agents have become.

"They treat us wonderfully," Ramos says. "They even say, 'do you want a soda from the machine?'"

The government is offering them temporary work permits, and immigration agents are even giving the Mexicans free rides to Seattle to file the paperwork. Now the anger at Obama is coming from the other side of the immigration debate.
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On Thursday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials came back, but this time, it wasn't after workers — the blue-jacketed immigration officials had a warrant to search the company's files. They set up special gear to copy the contents of Yamato's computers, and company manager Shirin Makalai watched the process with an air of strained cordiality.
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Rebollar [one of the released Mexicans] says he thinks Yamato treated him well, but he and his colleagues say they'll provide the government with evidence, if necessary. They have good reason to cooperate. Their work permits are valid only as long as there's a case against Yamato. Once they're no longer useful to investigators, they again face deportation.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=102723012

**Bigb23** · April-03-09, 07:42 PM

I have no problems with skilled foriegn workers, as long as they abide by our National laws already in place. But this opens a can of worms, just like the last forum thread. Proper visa's and documentation would be an integeral part of the plan. Don't we have skilled engine builders out of work here in the Detroit area ? So some of us can't live on $7.50 an hour? I can't. Float the Nation, for better trade and buying power.

ccbatson · April-03-09, 09:32 PM

Never blame the predator/lunatic's circumstances for the evil that they do.

lilpup · April-03-09, 11:08 PM

Isn't it a little surprising, in a way, that there hasn't been anything major like this here? Here it's maybe a disgruntled worker or ex-spouse taking out one or two people, or it's a bar fight or a neighborhood argument that escalates, but no major high number takedowns. You'd think with our situation this would be ground zero.

**Pam** · June-10-09, 05:41 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/

**Detroitej72** · June-10-09, 06:04 PM

Surprise, another racist nut who the right[[Beck) defends so dearly...

**Jimaz** · June-10-09, 09:08 PM

He reportedly "acted alone" yet "he was an active member of groups that deny the holocaust." This raises the question of where the precipitating act occurred.

ccbatson · June-10-09, 11:11 PM

Do you [[Lorax) think that gun control would have prevented this lifetime nut job from carrying out his insane plan. Gun control laws are for people that obey laws.

Lorax · June-12-09, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Do you [[Lorax) think that gun control would have prevented this lifetime nut job from carrying out his insane plan. Gun control laws are for people that obey laws.

Correction: "lifetime right wing fascist nut job.."

and no, gun control wouldn't have stopped him, or anyone else who is blinded by right wing ideology from illegally obtaining a weapon and acting out their sycophantic evil.

Why do you like answering your own questions, anyway?

**barnesfoto** · June-11-09, 10:27 AM

As usual, our defenders of gunfreedom [[TM) have made their usual comparisons to guns and airplanes.
and as usual, I would like to point out that after September 11th, 2001, Regulations and Insurance requirements on airplane operation travel were, shall we say, tightened up a bit.

Why are there no requirements that firearm owners and dealers buy insurance for their weapons or ammo?

**ejames01** · June-11-09, 11:10 AM

That is covered by Homeowners & Rental insurance.

Originally Posted by barnesfoto

Why are there no requirements that firearm owners and dealers buy insurance for their weapons or ammo?

**ejames01** · June-11-09, 11:11 AM

I would like Rush, Hannity, Beck and the rest of their SICK fraternity locked up in a SuperMax Prison.

**bailey** · June-11-09, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by ejames01

I would like Rush, Hannity, Beck and the rest of their SICK fraternity locked up in a SuperMax Prison.

Well, sort of a point of order here... to be in a traditional "fraternity", one would need to go to college. An endeavor, I believe, none of the aforementioned three have done.

**Pam** · June-11-09, 05:01 PM

Interesting video of right wing talk show hosts chuckling over the recent Homeland Security report warning of right wing extremists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7iY5uarA8

**WolverinesA2** · June-11-09, 06:03 PM

Guns don't kill people...crazy Right Wingers with guns kill people.

**oladub** · June-11-09, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by WolverinesA2

Guns don't kill people...crazy Right Wingers with guns kill people.

If you meant what the Bush Cheney neocon crew started in Iraq, you might have a point. If, however, gun fatality rates in red states were compared with gun fatality rates in blue states, would your comment still hold up?

From Wikipedia, "Gun violence may vary enormously within a country. Within the United States, cities tend to have higher gun crime rates but lower rates of gun ownership, compared with rural areas which tend to have lower gun crime rates but higher rates of gun ownership. Some areas have widespread gun ownership with low rates of homicide. In 2005, Wyoming had the highest number of homes with loaded and unlocked guns in the United States, at 33% of all homes in the state, and had a homicide rate of 1.7 of every 100,000. Population density can help explain these differences, and studies may restrict comparisons to similar areas to avoid misleading conclusions."

In contrast, Detroit has 47.3 murders per every 100,000 residents. Wyoming votes Republican. Detroit votes Democrat. I doubt that you meant to suggest that most of the gun deaths in Detroit are caused by 'crazy Right Wingers'.

**Zacha341** · February-13-10, 06:41 AM

Crazy people in general with guns kills people, otherwise what would explain the gun violence in Motown? Right-wingers hold up shooting up de' place, jackin' folks out of their car a gun point, etc. On the other hand Detroit also has a remaining population of law abiding democrat voting citizens [[non NRA card carriers) who own guns, who refuse to be victims in their own homes or elsewhere.

Originally Posted by WolverinesA2

Guns don't kill people...crazy Right Wingers with guns kill people.

**Mikeg** · February-13-10, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by WolverinesA2

Guns don't kill people...crazy Right Wingers with guns kill people.

..... and proof that crazy Left Wingers with guns also kill people - from the Amy Bishop page at RateMyProfessors.com:

Bishop makes the class interesting by talking about her research and her friends research...... she is a socialist but she only talks about it after class.

**Hermod** · February-13-10, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Crazy people in general with guns kills people, otherwise what would explain the gun violence in Motown? Right-wingers hold up shooting up de' place, jackin' folks out of their car a gun point, etc. On the other hand Detroit also has a remaining population of law abiding democrat voting citizens [[non NRA card carriers) who own guns, who refuse to be victims in their own homes or elsewhere.

I don't think I am likely to be shot by a Limbaugh-listening, racist, facist, NRA thug.

I am more likely to be shot by an Obama voter who is trying to "actualize his self-esteem which has been destroyed by the hostile Euro-Centric environment of the US".

**Zacha341** · February-13-10, 09:08 PM

Hah! Well how's about that...!

Originally Posted by Hermod

I don't think I am likely to be shot by a Limbaugh-listening, racist, facist, NRA thug.

I am more likely to be shot by an Obama voter who is trying to "actualize his self-esteem which has been destroyed by the hostile Euro-Centric environment of the US".

ccbatson · June-11-09, 10:31 PM

Rb...per your own paradigm, OReilly, or whomever, would need to know the perpetrator, and that they were unstable, and that the was inciting them to act...0 out of 3.....care to try again?

**rb336** · June-12-09, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Rb...per your own paradigm, OReilly, or whomever, would need to know the perpetrator, and that they were unstable, and that the was inciting them to act...0 out of 3.....care to try again?

you don't think o'reilly knows many in his audience are mentally unhinged? he has stated as much, and he clearly frames his comments to BE inciteful. so you are, yet again, wrong