Emergency Managed DPS loses out on millions in federal funding....because reasons.

**brizee** · June-11-14, 03:30 PM

http://www.freep.com/article/2014061...public-schools

**Wesley Mouch** · June-11-14, 04:26 PM

So DPS lost out on some money. Blame the EM.

So for all the money DSP has lost out in the past... was it all the EM.

Expecting perfection from the EM is a mistake. They are an emergency manager after all. Its an emergency. Sometimes patients in hospital emergency die. They miss opportunities because they are having open-heart surgery.

Detroit is having open-heart surgery. Some things will get missed as the patient recovers.

**stasu1213** · June-12-14, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

So DPS lost out on some money. Blame the EM.

So for all the money DSP has lost out in the past... was it all the EM.

Expecting perfection from the EM is a mistake. They are an emergency manager after all. Its an emergency. Sometimes patients in hospital emergency die. They miss opportunities because they are having open-heart surgery.

Detroit is having open-heart surgery. Some things will get missed as the patient recovers.

is is done by design to steer the rest of the so called unwanted people out of Detroit through making the school system so unfunctional for the children that the Parents would want to move their children to a school system out of Detroit. This is also part of the dumbing down of inner city mostly underprivileged children

**Wesley Mouch** · June-12-14, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by stasu1213

is is done by design to steer the rest of the so called unwanted people out of Detroit through making the school system so unfunctional for the children that the Parents would want to move their children to a school system out of Detroit. This is also part of the dumbing down of inner city mostly underprivileged children

The secret plan I see is one where the forces of evil who were holding our Detroit children hostage in a massively dysfunctional jobs factor for the incompetent are able to get fools to believe that the problem is the Emergency Manager who is saddled with trying to dig their way out of hell with a spoon.

I am always stunned by the idea that things were better before EMs. All we need is a return to the old ways. Things were so wonderful for the kids before Granholm appointed these EMs.

**Detroitnerd** · June-11-14, 04:31 PM

I might feel that way, Wes, if every time Lansing meddled with DPS it didn't drive it deeper into debt. EMs have been an unqualified financial disaster for the school district. If the board were doing the things that Lansing's overlords have, it wouldn't have been allowed to skate like this ...

**Honky Tonk** · June-11-14, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by brizee

http://www.freep.com/article/2014061...public-schools

Your title is misleading. The article clearly states "but district employees encountered technical difficulties with uploading the information".

**FlyOnTheWall** · June-11-14, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Your title is misleading. The article clearly states "but district employees encountered technical difficulties with uploading the information".

In other words... District employees failed to upload the deadline to their brains, eh!

**Jimaz** · June-11-14, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

Your title is misleading. The article clearly states "but district employees encountered technical difficulties with uploading the information".

It also states

In recent months, DPS, which is run by an emergency manager,...

**trstar** · June-11-14, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

It also states

State appointed Emergency Manager Fails Detroit Students.

**Zacha341** · June-12-14, 05:38 AM

As initially appointed under Granholm, continued with Snyder.

Originally Posted by trstar

State appointed Emergency Manager Fails Detroit Students.

**Honky Tonk** · June-11-14, 06:38 PM

I agree, the EM should have gone to each and every employee and made sure they were competent @ their jobs. [[or had calendars or something) So, yeah, it was the EM's fault.

**trstar** · June-11-14, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I agree, the EM should have gone to each and every employee and made sure they were competent @ their jobs. [[or had calendars or something) So, yeah, it was the EM's fault.

It works both ways. Had there been GOOD news to over hype, the EM would have been given the credit for "leadership". This falls under the EM.

**FlyOnTheWall** · June-11-14, 07:11 PM

=Jimaz;439482]It also states

In recent months, DPS, which is run by an emergency manager,...

So the EM should fire all the incompetents and replace with competent people? Yea right. That is probably half of the staff or better.

**antongast** · June-11-14, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by FlyOnTheWall

So the EM should fire all the incompetents and replace with competent people? Yea right. That is probably half of the staff or better.

I don't know what the EM "should" do. Telling the EM what to do is not my job. The EM is supposed to know what to do. That, I thought, was the entire rationale for emergency management as a solution to the problems of financially-distressed units of local government. The problem, we were told, was the result of the electorate making poor decisions about who to put in charge, and the solution was to impose someone competent and remove any mechanisms of public accountability that might interfere with them doing their competent thing.

If the consensus pro-EM reaction to a story like this is to argue that hey, EMs are only human and it's a tough job and the institution is dysfunctional from top to bottom and there's only so much they can do, well...that's kind of what critics of the EM law have been saying all along? I mean, if the emergency manager is just going to pass the buck and make excuses, how is that an improvement over regular elected leaders doing the exact same fucking thing? The EM law was supposed to be an extraordinary measure justified by its extraordinary effectiveness at solving the problems of dysfunctional institutions. That justification doesn't really seem to be holding up.

**FlyOnTheWall** · June-11-14, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by antongast

I don't know what the EM "should" do. Telling the EM what to do is not my job. The EM is supposed to know what to do. That, I thought, was the entire rationale for emergency management as a solution to the problems of financially-distressed units of local government. The problem, we were told, was the result of the electorate making poor decisions about who to put in charge, and the solution was to impose someone competent and remove any mechanisms of public accountability that might interfere with them doing their competent thing.

If the consensus pro-EM reaction to a story like this is to argue that hey, EMs are only human and it's a tough job and the institution is dysfunctional from top to bottom and there's only so much they can do, well...that's kind of what critics of the EM law have been saying all along? I mean, if the emergency manager is just going to pass the buck and make excuses, how is that an improvement over regular elected leaders doing the exact same fucking thing? The EM law was supposed to be an extraordinary measure justified by its extraordinary effectiveness at solving the problems of dysfunctional institutions. That justification doesn't really seem to be holding up.

Well, it seems that the EM has a good excuse to clear some of the deadwood starting with the staff members that lost a few million bucks. Let's see what he does.

**Jimaz** · June-11-14, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by antongast

... The EM is supposed to know what to do. That, I thought, was the entire rationale for emergency management as a solution to the problems of financially-distressed units of local government. The problem, we were told, was the result of the electorate making poor decisions about who to put in charge, and the solution was to impose someone competent and remove any mechanisms of public accountability that might interfere with them doing their competent thing.

Increased authority must come with increased responsibility. Detaching authority from responsibility would be insane. Unfortunately we seem to be currently headed in that direction.

**Mark Smiles** · June-11-14, 05:20 PM

Just as it was racist to expect John Conyers to collect the proper signatures, it will be deemed racist to expect DPS to submit the proper form.

**Scottathew** · June-11-14, 05:58 PM

There is no acceptable reason that this happened. "Technical issues" are complete BS. Did all the other school districts have technical issues? Nope. So why is one of the largest school districts in the country unable to file?

There is only one reason, incompetence at multiple levels.

**Zacha341** · June-12-14, 05:40 AM

Well for sure you cannot wait until the last minute [[week, days or hours) to file applications online or otherwise. Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by 48307

There is no acceptable reason that this happened. "Technical issues" are complete BS. Did all the other school districts have technical issues? Nope. So why is one of the largest school districts in the country unable to file?

There is only one reason, incompetence at multiple levels.

**Honky Tonk** · June-12-14, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by 48307

There is no acceptable reason that this happened. "Technical issues" are complete BS. Did all the other school districts have technical issues? Nope. So why is one of the largest school districts in the country unable to file?

There is only one reason, incompetence at multiple levels.

Where's the chain of command? What procedures are in place? If someone is having "difficulties with technical issues", you contact your manager, or IT, or someone, who's supposed to find a fix for the problem. You don't shrug it off as "oh well". You also don't wait until the last minute to file for something as important as millions of dollars of funding.

**Novine** · June-11-14, 09:35 PM

How many years has DPS been under the control of an EM? How much longer are they supposed to get a pass?

**FlyOnTheWall** · June-11-14, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Novine

How many years has DPS been under the control of an EM? How much longer are they supposed to get a pass?

How many years did DPS have to screw it all up? Just curious. I usually find that it takes longer to fix something than to do it right in the first place. Oh well.

**Novine** · June-12-14, 09:26 AM

What's needed is an end to the excuse-making by the cheerleaders for the current and past EMs. They've had plenty of time to make changes to the system. We're on Snyder's second appointee for those who can't keep up.

**Wesley Mouch** · June-12-14, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Novine

What's needed is an end to the excuse-making by the cheerleaders for the current and past EMs. They've had plenty of time to make changes to the system. We're on Snyder's second appointee for those who can't keep up.

So the city was dysfunctional. And the EM's are up to the job. Detroit's even going through municipal bankruptcy. Yes, its a miserable path.

So I don't get your point. Yes, its a screwed up situation. EM's suck. But going back to dysfunctional, financially irresponsible local government makes zero sense. They were the actual cause of the problem the EMs are trying to fix.

What's your solution? A return to Kwame?