DPD Sketches for CVS Guard Shooting.

[Meddle]

Do they really expect to ID anyone from these?



http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...guard-shooting

[Honky Tonk]

Do they really expect to ID anyone from these?



http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...guard-shooting

My sympathies and condolences to the family and friends of a brave man. I hope they find and execute the asswipes that did this.

[Goose]

and people wonder why youths in hoodies hanging out or walking the streets are looked at suspiciously?

[iheartthed]

and people wonder why youths in hoodies hanging out or walking the streets are looked at suspiciously?

Because some assholes wearing hoodies robbed a CVS and killed someone? Were they wearing shoes? Maybe we should be suspicious of everyone walking the streets wearing shoes!

[wolverine]

Because some assholes wearing hoodies robbed a CVS and killed someone? Were they wearing shoes? Maybe we should be suspicious of everyone walking the streets wearing shoes!

I understand your point, but entering most convenience stores, pharmacies and banks with a hood up is forbidden. It says so on the doors. Failure to comply could result in police action to possible arrest. Really, what initiated the conversation is the obvious fact that when someone conceals their identity in a place of business and commits a crime, the witness descriptions create anonymous sketches.

But you are right. There is no excuse for anyone to generalize anyone as a criminal by their attire. However it is reasonable to raise suspicion when one tries to conceal their identity in a place of business. On the other hand, if someone chooses to wear their hood up or their hat low walking around on the street, that's their own right to do so.

[401don]

I understand your point, but entering most convenience stores, pharmacies and banks with a hood up is forbidden. It says so on the doors. Failure to comply could result in police action to possible arrest. Really, what initiated the conversation is the obvious fact that when someone conceals their identity in a place of business and commits a crime, the witness descriptions create anonymous sketches.

But you are right. There is no excuse for anyone to generalize anyone as a criminal by their attire. However it is reasonable to raise suspicion when one tries to conceal their identity in a place of business. On the other hand, if someone chooses to wear their hood up or their hat low walking around on the street, that's their own right to do so.

I see people [[can't be certain if they're women) wearing burqas in my bank quite often and yet I get strange looks when I wear my ski mask even in this cold weather.

[wolverine]

I see people [[can't be certain if they're women) wearing burqas in my bank quite often and yet I get strange looks when I wear my ski mask even in this cold weather.

Yes. The enforcement of such policies can be difficult in situations where it comes to one removing attire that is part of their religion or culture. While a retailer's policy can be upheld in court, that does not mean they are free from public backlash.

I think the consensus here would be that it's still a lot harder to identify an individual that has a ski mask or hood up because that could be anybody anywhere.

I think there's common courtesy that someone remove their ski mask when entering a business or stepping on public transportation. You are now in an environment that is warm enough where you don't need to cover your face. The only exceptions I see are religious or medical reasons. I see people get on the subway everyday that keep their faces covered and stand near the doors....probably because they don't like the inconvenience of removing it. They do get weird stares because none of us, not even children, are covering their faces.

I would say public transportation is a difficult area for enforcement but a private business requiring one to remove a hood or ski mask out of suspicion is not an unreasonable request....it's private property and employee safety is important.

BTW, pretty much any large chain store or bank I've walked into in bigger cities has security. If you listen a properly trained security guard will ask "Can I ask you to remove your hat sir?" Not... "remove your hat, sir" They give a moment for the customer to give a reason.

[iheartthed]

I understand your point, but entering most convenience stores, pharmacies and banks with a hood up is forbidden. It says so on the doors. Failure to comply could result in police action to possible arrest. Really, what initiated the conversation is the obvious fact that when someone conceals their identity in a place of business and commits a crime, the witness descriptions create anonymous sketches.

But you are right. There is no excuse for anyone to generalize anyone as a criminal by their attire. However it is reasonable to raise suspicion when one tries to conceal their identity in a place of business. On the other hand, if someone chooses to wear their hood up or their hat low walking around on the street, that's their own right to do so.

He was referring to Trayvon Martin.

[Honky Tonk]

Because some assholes wearing hoodies robbed a CVS and killed someone? Were they wearing shoes? Maybe we should be suspicious of everyone walking the streets wearing shoes!

Let's see, the guy that shot and killed both the male clerk and kidnapped and killed the female clerk @ The Family Dollar in Dearborn had a hoodie. The 3 guys that kicked the ladies back door down in Detroit had hoodies. These 3 guys, [[though the one drawing does look like a girl) had hoodies. Countless other videos of store robberies, carjackings, home breakins, shootings, etc., etc., etc. showed people were wearing hoodies. My conclusion from reading DetroitYES? It's Ok to commit crime wearing a hoodie, but pointing that out in a post makes you a clothes racist. Please post a video link showing someone murdering someone wearing their shoes over their face to conceal their identity, I missed it.

[Zacha341]

The CVS near me had an un-official hand-written NO Hoodies inside store sign a few years before the Trevon Martin incident. They have not had the sign up since... Other independent and mom and pop stores have the 'hoodie no service' signs in the city for years.

[Dumpling]

[[It is 3 degrees Fahrenheit out as I type this - people out and about
right now should have on their hoodies as well as their scarves and
their stocking caps and if they wear shoes on their faces I won't laugh.)

Newsclips don't often show video clips of people in burqas holding up
liquor stores with AKs - so, we don't profile people in burqas as robbers.
Similarly we don't profile those in Shriners fezzes, etc. as such. Since
the three suspects shown above are portrayed as wearing hoodies,
we now are that much more likely to profile hoodie wearers as potential robbers. Though body language, seeing a group ALL wearing hoodies,
ALL wearing other concealing items, etc. would set off more alarms
than just a hoodie being worn, especially now, considering the weather.

[EASTSIDE CAT 67-83]

Originally Posted by iheartthed
Because some assholes wearing hoodies robbed a CVS and killed someone? Were they wearing shoes? Maybe we should be suspicious of everyone walking the streets wearing shoes!

Let's see, the guy that shot and killed both the male clerk and kidnapped and killed the female clerk @ The Family Dollar in Dearborn had a hoodie. The 3 guys that kicked the ladies back door down in Detroit had hoodies. These 3 guys, [[though the one drawing does look like a girl) had hoodies. Countless other videos of store robberies, carjackings, home breakins, shootings, etc., etc., etc. showed people were wearing hoodies. My conclusion from reading DetroitYES? It's Ok to commit crime wearing a hoodie, but pointing that out in a post makes you a clothes racist. Please post a video link showing someone murdering someone wearing their shoes over their face to conceal their identity, I missed it.

I think iheartthed point was.....um hum...aah....crickets....um...aah....crickets churping again... um ahh......nope can't figure it out...must have been a weak moment and emotional reaction when ihearth defended the state of hoodiedefamation. No officer..... you see its like this I didn't do nothing I was just WWH........................[[WALKIN WIT HOODIE)

I'm sure ihearth walks into a place of business where 50 customers are all wearing hoodies and sneekers and thinks nothing of it.

[iheartthed]

Let's see, the guy that shot and killed both the male clerk and kidnapped and killed the female clerk @ The Family Dollar in Dearborn had a hoodie. The 3 guys that kicked the ladies back door down in Detroit had hoodies. These 3 guys, [[though the one drawing does look like a girl) had hoodies. Countless other videos of store robberies, carjackings, home breakins, shootings, etc., etc., etc. showed people were wearing hoodies. My conclusion from reading DetroitYES? It's Ok to commit crime wearing a hoodie, but pointing that out in a post makes you a clothes racist. Please post a video link showing someone murdering someone wearing their shoes over their face to conceal their identity, I missed it.

As has been mentioned before, places of business that are susceptible to robbery have policies forbidding you to conceal your face inside those establishments. There was actually a local news story a couple of weeks ago here in the New York area where the reporter purposely went into banks wearing sunglasses and a hat to test the policy. Many banks have greeters at the door who will ask you to remove items concealing your identity when you enter the bank. That is a very reasonable policy and I have nothing against it. But that's very different from what he said:

and people wonder why youths in hoodies hanging out or walking the streets are looked at suspiciously?

It's an obvious reference to Trayvon Martin and the comment is completely indefensible. Do people also look suspiciously at people wearing hats and sunglasses while walking in the street?

[TKshreve]

With all due respect to our beloved city, Detroit in general can be looked at as a "place....... that are susceptible to robbery".

Second, I have never seen a greeter at a bank. Just saying.

And lastly, I do give most people with hoodies on a double take. It's called being aware of your surroundings. It's borderline collusion on criminals behalf that they almost always wear hoodies in the commission of a crime. You and I both know why.

[downtownguy]

Let's see, the guy that shot and killed both the male clerk and kidnapped and killed the female clerk @ The Family Dollar in Dearborn had a hoodie. The 3 guys that kicked the ladies back door down in Detroit had hoodies. These 3 guys, [[though the one drawing does look like a girl) had hoodies. Countless other videos of store robberies, carjackings, home breakins, shootings, etc., etc., etc. showed people were wearing hoodies. My conclusion from reading DetroitYES? It's Ok to commit crime wearing a hoodie, but pointing that out in a post makes you a clothes racist. Please post a video link showing someone murdering someone wearing their shoes over their face to conceal their identity, I missed it.

Personally, if I had a store, I would ban anybody wearing a suit and tie because we all know bankers are among the biggest crooks out there.

[Honky Tonk]

Personally, if I had a store, I would ban anybody wearing a suit and tie because we all know bankers are among the biggest crooks out there.

I'm trying to find the surveillance video I saw of three bankers murdering a security guard in a parking lot during an attempted car jacking, involving 2 women and a 6 year old child, gone wrong. All three bankers were wearing wingtips on their faces to conceal their identity.

[Dan Wesson]

and people wonder why youths in hoodies hanging out or walking the streets are looked at suspiciously?

Wow, I wonder if the concepts of social stigmas, guilt by association ever come to the forefront of thought when bandied about.

It seems it won't go away and is part of the human condition because everybody, everywhere plays the game.

[Meddle]

Based on the sketches alone, could anybody even swear if the faces were male or female?

[getmoore]

I hope they the right ones!
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/s...z/-/index.html

[Dan Wesson]

I wear a black hoodie. In fact I wear two black hoodies layered over
a black pair of carhart overalls.

Almost all the time when it's cold.

[Honky Tonk]

I wear a black hoodie. In fact I wear two black hoodies layered over
a black pair of carhart overalls.

Almost all the time when it's cold.

"over" You must spend a lot of time in the men's room.

[Dan Wesson]

"over" You must spend a lot of time in the men's room.

That.... Depends.

Get it? Depends!

Har Har Har

[Gistok]

Some good Samaritan is dead for trying to help someone in distress... the this thread goes off on a tangent because the perpetrators were wearing stereotypical attire, and someone copped an attitute about it...

This thead isn't about Treyvon Martin... it's about a young innocent man named Courtney Meeks... who died trying to help someone in distress...

[Meddle]

This thead isn't about ... it's about ....

It's about three sketches that could resemble almost anybody. No one yet has answered or even addressed the initial question. How can anyone ID anybody based on those sketches. Even if you know the suspects. As I asked above, can you even swear to the gender?

[Gistok]

It's about three sketches that could resemble almost anybody. No one yet has answered or even addressed the initial question. How can anyone ID anybody based on those sketches. Even if you know the suspects. As I asked above, can you even swear to the gender?

Well they've supposedly got 2 of the 3... so your initial question is almost moot.

Also, when starting a new thread, you might want to invest a bit more substance into your iniitial post. 9 words doesn't really give it a well rounded intro worthy of discussion, which is why it likely got so little lip service... just saying....