Texts: Charles Pugh offered 18-year-old student money for nude videos

[Pazen Hingree]

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...nt-he-mentored

[fanniemae]

Pugh acted guilty by leaving town, selling his condo, practically hiding from Detroit. Was the mom looking for a payday? Probably. We won't know the whole story unless the boy in question gives an exclusive interview. The kind of interview where they don't show his face and change the voice. Maybe one day. I am just glad this POS Pugh left town.

[Zacha341]

^^^ EXTREMELY GUILTY BEHAVIORS! Good riddance. At some point during all of this the young man was 17, and thus a legal minor. I say 'stay in your lane' and deal with full adults. Good he has left town.

[bailey]

^^^ EXTREMELY GUILTY BEHAVIORS! Good riddance. At some point during all of this the young man was 17, and thus a legal minor. I say 'stay in your lane' and deal with full adults. Good he has left town.

16 is the age of consent. if pugh was not a mentor at the school, none of this would be investigated as criminal. creepy...but not criminal in any way. just saying.

[MikeyinBrooklyn]

16 is the age of consent. if pugh was not a mentor at the school, none of this would be investigated as criminal. creepy...but not criminal in any way. just saying.

Technically, if the affair started when he was 16 or older, you're right. But statistically speaking, sexual predators don't act once in isolation. It tends to be a pattern. Also, there are still other crimes potentially involved. For example, an explicit photo or video of someone under 18 is still child pornography, even if over the age of consent. There could also be contributing to the delinquency of a minor, endangering the welfare of a child, etc.

In this day and age, everyone dealing with minors needs to be super careful. A teacher friend of mine will not meet in alone with any student. He always leaves the door open to his office and classroom. Sad that you need to do this, but because of the bad things that do happen to kids, an allegation can destroy a life and career. So he will not put himself in a situation where an allegation can really ever occur.

Charles Pugh is a disgrace and an embarrassment to gay men everywhere. Most gay men like men, not boys.

[Zacha341]

Awesome points MIB. Thank you for so clearly making them!

Technically, if the affair started when he was 16 or older, you're right. But statistically speaking, sexual predators don't act once in isolation. It tends to be a pattern. Also, there are still other crimes potentially involved. For example, an explicit photo or video of someone under 18 is still child pornography, even if over the age of consent. There could also be contributing to the delinquency of a minor, endangering the welfare of a child, etc.

In this day and age, everyone dealing with minors needs to be super careful. A teacher friend of mine will not meet in alone with any student. He always leaves the door open to his office and classroom. Sad that you need to do this, but because of the bad things that do happen to kids, an allegation can destroy a life and career. So he will not put himself in a situation where an allegation can really ever occur.

Charles Pugh is a disgrace and an embarrassment to gay men everywhere. Most gay men like men, not boys.

[Wesley Mouch]

...In this day and age, everyone dealing with minors needs to be super careful. ...

It is too bad that we live in a society where unfounded accusations can ruin a life or career, but it is certainly so.

If this is true, Pugh should have known better as a public figures. And either way we need to learn to not jump to conclusions -- because its not always true and we can do a lot of harm to the innocent.

I can easily imaging Mr. Pugh needing to leave town simply because of the accusation and the difficulty for fighting such accusations -- even if untrue.

But that is the say things are 'in this day and age'.

[Lowell]

16 is the age of consent. if pugh was not a mentor at the school, none of this would be investigated as criminal. creepy...but not criminal in any way. just saying.

Exactly, a non-story other than a titillating story of his fall from Grace. Too bad; he is an intelligent and highly articulate person. Like Bill Clinton, he just couldn't keep it in his pants.

[Honky Tonk]

Exactly, a non-story other than a titillating story of his fall from Grace. Too bad; he is an intelligent and highly articulate person. Like Bill Clinton, he just couldn't keep it in his pants.

Maybe not "legally", but morally, I think there's a problem with a man his age offering "toys to little boys" in exchange for sex. But these days, morality seems to a non-issue.

[Zacha341]

Yes, your are correct Bailey. By, er-hmm, the 'law' 16 is the age of 'consent' but having worked and volunteered with youth organizations, etc. I find it inappropriate for a grown man [[or woman for that matter) straight OR gay to be trolling around with teens, especially in the context of educational mentoring.

An adult acting in this manner upon teens is usually predatory IMO. The adult clearly has the advantage, no matter how worldly and mature the teen presents to be!

His job and advocacy was to mentor, not pursue sexually oriented relationships and behaviors out of teenagers. Period. Stick to adults: 'FULL' ADULTS! IMO...

16 is the age of consent. if pugh was not a mentor at the school, none of this would be investigated as criminal. creepy...but not criminal in any way. just saying.

[GP For Life]

16 is the age of consent. if pugh was not a mentor at the school, none of this would be investigated as criminal. creepy...but not criminal in any way. just saying.

I am almost 100% sure you're incorrect.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Child%20Porn...n%206-2010.pdf

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/[[S[[hfn...e=mcl-750-520d

[[e) That other person is at least 16 years of age but less than 18 years of age and a student at a public school or nonpublic school, and either of the following applies:
[[i) The actor is a teacher, substitute teacher, or administrator of that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district. This subparagraph does not apply if the other person is emancipated or if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.
[[ii) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district in which that other person is enrolled, or is a volunteer who is not a student in any public school or nonpublic school, or is an employee of this state or of a local unit of government of this state or of the United States assigned to provide any service to that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district, and the actor uses his or her employee, contractual, or volunteer status to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, that other person

So, I am pretty sure it's illegal.

It's pretty clear that he's getting a pass for this. I just hope that the FBI finds out that he sent one of these texts from another state and they pursue charges against him.

[bailey]

I am almost 100% sure you're incorrect.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Child%20Porn...n%206-2010.pdf

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/[[S[[hfn...e=mcl-750-520d

[[e) That other person is at least 16 years of age but less than 18 years of age and a student at a public school or nonpublic school, and either of the following applies:
[[i) The actor is a teacher, substitute teacher, or administrator of that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district. This subparagraph does not apply if the other person is emancipated or if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.
[[ii) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district in which that other person is enrolled, or is a volunteer who is not a student in any public school or nonpublic school, or is an employee of this state or of a local unit of government of this state or of the United States assigned to provide any service to that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district, and the actor uses his or her employee, contractual, or volunteer status to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, that other person

So, I am pretty sure it's illegal.

It's pretty clear that he's getting a pass for this. I just hope that the FBI finds out that he sent one of these texts from another state and they pursue charges against him.

First of all your citing CSC III... .

750.520d Criminal sexual conduct in the third degree; felony.Sec. 520d.


[[1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the third degree if the person engages in sexual penetration with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:

At no point has anyone alleged there was a "penetration" so you are looking at the wrong charge.

So now let's look at the correct statute, which would be CSC IV:

750.520e Criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree; misdemeanor.Sec. 520e.


[[1) A person is guilty of criminal sexual conduct in the fourth degree if he or she engages in sexual contact with another person and if any of the following circumstances exist:

Which contains the same language for contact between 16-18 yr olds and a school/teacher/mentor/school volunteer

[[f) That other person is at least 16 years of age but less than 18 years of age and a student at a public school or nonpublic school, and either of the following applies:

[[i) The actor is a teacher, substitute teacher, or administrator of that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district. This subparagraph does not apply if the other person is emancipated or if both persons are lawfully married to each other at the time of the alleged violation.

[[ii) The actor is an employee or a contractual service provider of the public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district in which that other person is enrolled, or is a volunteer who is not a student in any public school or nonpublic school, or is an employee of this state or of a local unit of government of this state or of the United States assigned to provide any service to that public school, nonpublic school, school district, or intermediate school district, and the actor uses his or her employee, contractual, or volunteer status to gain access to, or to establish a relationship with, that other person.

I'm almost 100% sure you just posted information that confirms my statement that "if he wasnt a mentor at the school none of this would be investigated as criminal". After the investigation, the BEST they could charge would be a misdemeanor. I think the prosecutor exercised appropriate discretion in not wasting everyone's time with it.

So I guess I'm confused, do you have a point I'm missing?

[stasu1213]

Pugh had set himself up. He should had known that being that he is openly gay he should walk on pins and needles mentoring young teenage boys or young men. The microscope was on him. He wasnt using good common sense. It should be a law stating that an elected official cant abandon his/hers position without letting the public to whom hr serve his whereabouts and resigning immediately

[davewindsor]

Wow. I mean one would think that after the Kwame-Beatty text scandal that Detroit politicians would have figured out how damaging explicit text messages can be.

[Zacha341]

Yeah like 'duh'... but they think they are above it all... then there's the time to hit the bricks and leave town! Then there's time to return to face the music!! Or at least the remainders of the song...

Wow. I mean one would think that after the Kwame-Beatty text scandal that Detroit politicians would have figured out how damaging explicit text messages can be.

[Hermod]

I was blessed by the Lord with two lovely daughters. For most of the time they were growing up, the parade of their girlfriends through the house was a source of amusement and pleasure. All of a sudden my girls reached the age where their playmates became extremely nubile and desirable. I had to sit on my hands for a few years until my girls finished growing up and moved out.

[iheartthed]

I was blessed by the Lord with two lovely daughters. For most of the time they were growing up, the parade of their girlfriends through the house was a source of amusement and pleasure. All of a sudden my girls reached the age where their playmates became extremely nubile and desirable. I had to sit on my hands for a few years until my girls finished growing up and moved out.

Umm, what? lol.

[detroittrader]

Umm, what? lol.

I was blessed with 3 teenage daughters, I agree 100% with Hermod. lol

[Zacha341]

"But these days, morality seems to a non-issue"...

And so we see the consequences. Things are working out quite well!

[Pazen Hingree]

“what we talk about is private. Becuz if I can really trust u then I really wanna help u ALOT. [[thru college and everything). You’ll always have money in your pocket," Pugh wrote.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_n...#ixzz2nppYJWK3

[Zacha341]

What IS the big deal? Just a recorded bartering discussion two between consenting adults? ----

[Gistok]

His morality may have been misplaced... but not his pocketbook. He must have realized that staying in Michigan was not a good idea, with trial lawyers chomping at the bit to make money off of a civil suit against him.

[fanniemae]

Pugh threw away common sense , his responsibility to the voters that voted for him and the school, his true personality coming to light. He is a liar. This guy has serious mental issues. He shows no remorse for his actions. I am so glad he is out of Detroit at this time. Hopefully for good. People, regardless of their preference have to act in a responsible way in their job and personal life. An older man setting up a student for an affair is reprehensible. He is a predator.

[Pazen Hingree]

this is fascinating. pugh's last show on fox2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVA-kD-_A8s

[Pazen Hingree]

i think its pretty clear that the kid was 18 and therefore it's extremely unlikely that charges will be brought. i also think that everyone thought that from day one with this crazy story.

this is about ethics, like what Congressman Mark Foley did in Florida. remember that guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Fo..._page_incident

resigned from congress the same day that a reporter obtained his messages between house pages. said the same kind of stuff pugh did.

charles just resigned a heck of a lot sooner. he knew what was coming out, i guess.