Plans Moving Forward for Hudson Site Redevelopment

[raptor56]

New York City-based SHoP Architects has been selected to lead the design process for a development project at the 2-acre site of the former Hudson’s Department store building in downtown Detroit. Based on an announcement Monday from Rock Ventures, which owns the site and is funding its redevelopment, it sounds as though the project will be fairly methodical, and will solicit input from the public. Rock Ventures, the umbrella company of Quicken Loans founder and Chairman Dan Gilbert, said that in early 2014 ShoP and HAA will host a community lecture series to talk about the project.


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[Scottathew]

I can't wait to see the details. I hope it's going to be residential with 1st floor retail.

[Zads07]

Well, here it is, Gilbert picks an architect to design the Hudson's site.

http://www.freep.com/article/2013112...nture-Hudson-s

Here's SHoP's website as well to look at what they've designed in the past.

http://www.shoparc.com/

[Gannon]

The one called "Supertall Mixed Use" in location "confidential" that doesn't open a larger image might prove their choice.

Curious it has what appears to be the top floors of the RenCen in the rendering background.

[Bham1982]

The one called "Supertall Mixed Use" in location "confidential" that doesn't open a larger image might prove their choice.

Curious it has what appears to be the top floors of the RenCen in the rendering background.

That building is 225 W. 57th in Manhattan. They were ultimately not selected as architect, and Smith + Gill is designing the new tower.

[rb336]

At apartments.com, there were 5 listings. Prices have gone WAY up since I last checked

[rb336]

The one called "Supertall Mixed Use" in location "confidential" that doesn't open a larger image might prove their choice.

Curious it has what appears to be the top floors of the RenCen in the rendering background.

It's a round building. Only similarity. Design completed in 2010

http://www.shoparc.com/node/2233

Pretty boring, like the rest of their work. too bad he didn't hire a truly great firm...Bjarke Ingalls Group

[Detroitman32]

Wait, SHoP?! I was on their site! I wondered what that was.... do you think? What on earth is Detroit going to do with a supertall?

Either way this is great news, they do great work.

[Bham1982]

Wait, SHoP?! I was on their site! I wondered what that was.... do you think? What on earth is Detroit going to do with a supertall?

Detroit doesn't have market demand for really anything, so no, whatever is built on this site will not be a supertall.

Whatever is built will be very heavily subsidized and a midrise at best. But I don't think anything will be built there soon.

[Detroitdave]

Detroit doesn't have market demand for really anything, so no, whatever is built on this site will not be a supertall.

Whatever is built will be very heavily subsidized and a midrise at best. But I don't think anything will be built there soon.

Seeing that this is a Dan Gilbert project I doubt it will be very heavily subsidized.
also I would trust billionaires know something about business , so I believe they have faith in Detroit or they wouldn't be doing this

[Bham1982]

Seeing that this is a Dan Gilbert project I doubt it will be very heavily subsidized.
also I would trust billionaires know something about business , so I believe they have faith in Detroit or they wouldn't be doing this

Given that Dan Gilbert hasn't built anything downtown, and all his job moves have been very heavily subsidized, what would make you think he wouldn't request subsidies?

And, no, I wouldn't blindly "trust" folks just because they're rich businessmen. You never heard of the '09 economic meltdown? Just because someone made money in one competency doesn't mean they understand making money in all competencies.

[313WX]

If we can get something that was at least as tall as Hudson's, that would be wonderful.

Anything lower wouldn't do that site justice.

[greekt0wn]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

[Detroitdave]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

perhaps you miss the part that says Dan Gilbert is controlling the site ,so WE aren't spending any of his money , mr Gilbert is pretty good at doing that himself.
i believe mr Gilbert and mr Penske, mr llitch , mr karmaros are pretty wise businessmen , and if these men can't get it done maybe it can't be done .

THis is the same mr Gilbert in the running to buy the fail prison , I think you better tell him he making a big mistake .

I believe mr Gilbert has done pretty good so far and has a good idea where the market is going . He's three moves ahead of everybody else and it's done him well thus far.

[mikeg19]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

Actually it would seem that there is a fairly substantial demand for this. When you have 8, 10, 12 month wait lists to live in downtown & midtown, I'd say that's a fair measuring stick on what people want and is achievable. A 18-20 story building is most likely appropriate for the site. 30 Would be quite ambitious I'd think, and I'm not sold on the extra hotel space seeing as we have another hotel opening in the David Whitney shortly. I don't think were going to be seeing any 55 story towers being erected anytime soon, but growth is happening, and eventually buildings to rehab are going to run-out in downtown and midtown. Do you think Illitch would build a new entertainment, retail, sports, hotel, office complex for $650M if he didn't think there would be a return on investment? I doubt it. Gilbert knows what he's doing, and he has a track record. Until something blows up in his face, I'll continue to believe what he says.

[bailey]

Actually it would seem that there is a fairly substantial demand for this. When you have 8, 10, 12 month wait lists to live in downtown & midtown, I'd say that's a fair measuring stick on what people want and is achievable. A 18-20 story building is most likely appropriate for the site. 30 Would be quite ambitious I'd think, and I'm not sold on the extra hotel space seeing as we have another hotel opening in the David Whitney shortly. I don't think were going to be seeing any 55 story towers being erected anytime soon, but growth is happening, and eventually buildings to rehab are going to run-out in downtown and midtown. Do you think Illitch would build a new entertainment, retail, sports, hotel, office complex for $650M if he didn't think there would be a return on investment? I doubt it. Gilbert knows what he's doing, and he has a track record. Until something blows up in his face, I'll continue to believe what he says.

I'm with you with everything but the illitch issue. He thinks 650 million is a good investment if the tax payer helps foot the bill.

[Bham1982]

Actually it would seem that there is a fairly substantial demand for this. When you have 8, 10, 12 month wait lists to live in downtown & midtown, I'd say that's a fair measuring stick on what people want and is achievable.

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

[rb336]

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

yes, please

[Scottathew]

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

My friends that live downtown all say their rents are going up substantially. I would infer that this is because demand is high, but supply has remained unchanged.

Gilbert and others have moved 10's of thousands of jobs downtown, that is going to change the apartment market downtown. Granted not many of those people want to live down there, but I know many young folks that do.

[mikeg19]

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

I don't check rental and housing sites, I've just seen in the paper that units are low for housing stock in downtown and midtown. When you are running at 95-100% rental capacity, I'd say it's going to be fairly difficult to find the exact place you're looking for. Sure you can find me a place with cheap rent somewhere. Is it desirable? Does the window look at the side of a building? Are the walls insulated or do I have to hear my neighbors having sex? There was also an article on Curbed this week regarding a 5 month wait list for the Broderick Tower, so I'm not quite sure what you are referring to as "made up".


http://detroit.curbed.com/archives/2...tlist.php#more

[DetBill]

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

Bham,, Im a little curious where this link for cheap apartments Downtown is ? I am assuming you dont live downtown,, I do, have for 23 years... so have a fairly good handle on whats goin on here. If you are talking about slum apartments, or close to it,, you probably can find some " cheap ones". If your talking about decent housing it is anything but cheap now. One can rent in Dearborn or Warren for substantially less than downtown now. Rents have gone up dramatically in the last several years.. I know in my co-op building, a few owners have subletted their places instead of selling,, and of the people who have sublet the places,, they are paying around 850.00 for a one bedroom. The leasees I have talked to said they were very grateful to find a place like this in this price range.. they had looked at places that were 1-2 hundred more everywhere else...Sounded like they did their homework,, I have friends who just sold their two bedroom at 1300 and now are renting a loft in midtown for 2000 a month and they said they felt that was the best they could do for a 2 bedroom loft rental.. They agree that 1300 was indeed a deal , had no idea how much rents were and how scarce good accomodation was, It has infact , truly changed.. the most I have seen in 23 years downtown. Once cannot find decent , cheap housing in a quick click anymore

[stinkytofu]

Why do people just make up this stuff?

There is no "wait" to move downtown. There's plenty of housing available, though I'm sure that won't stop local govts from subsidizing more.

I could find you a cheap downtown apartment in 30 seconds on the internet. Want a link?

Ummm...you are the same one that argued continuously that 211 W. Fort has an underground garage which holds spots for most tenants...which is completely inaccurate. Makes me chuckle you accuse others of making stuff up.

[KOMPOST]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

Yes, your level of care for anything positive in the city of Detroit is well-documented here.
Which makes this such a curious site for you to spend so much of your time.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

You'd better alert Mr. Gilbert to this fact. I assume your business success is far superior to his, and he'd value your input.

[Gistok]

There is zero demand for this. 30 stories? Not only are you all very good at spending someone else's money but I'm wondering if you've thought about where he's going to find tenants for those floors? Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh I know, make it a hotel--because Detroit is such a booming vacation draw! I will be shocked if anything is there within 5 years. And the amount of care I have in a building that may be built in Detroit in 5 years is non existent. And I no zero idea why the average Detroiter would care about this when there are literally 1,000 other more important things that need your attention. Stop being suckers for the smoke and mirrors BS.

We used to have a poster on this forum by the name of just BRIAN... many years ago that would go on about how foolish everyone was for thinking that anything would ever be done with the existing Book Cadillac and Fort Shelby Hotels. He was incessant that we were all wasting our time even discussing this, because nothing would EVER come of it. Funny thing is both buildings WERE redeveloped... and poor exasperated BRIAN stopped posting here because he put so much stock into the fact that he was right, and everyone else was wrong. Haven't heard from Brian since they reopened those hotels.... Are you back Brian??