Carjacking, gunshots close Seaholm High School in Birmingham

[mark.vandorn]

http://www.freep.com/article/2013111...ots-birmingham

Wow.

Edit: My title was edited by the website owner. Apparently the facetious, yet entirely plausible "A Hundred Families In Birmingham Are Calling Real Estate Agents Today..." offended too many of you "tough" Detroiters.

Edit to your edit: Facetious nor not, thread titles must describe what the topic of discussion is about or they will be amended.

[bailey]

Clearly Birmingham is in a steep decline.

[Scottathew]

Imagine if a carjacking in Detroit always got the same kind of police response.

[artds]

Birmingham tries to do its best Detroit impression a few times each year.

[wazootyman]

Just stop.

Nonsense threads like this are making this forum practically unreadable anymore. With no offense to proprietor Lowell, the quality of the posted content on this board has really gone downhill.

[mark.vandorn]

Just stop.

Nonsense threads like this are making this forum practically unreadable anymore. With no offense to proprietor Lowell, the quality of the posted content on this board has really gone downhill.

So you'd prefer a phony website full of sunshine and lollipops? Detroit is real. Detroit is authentic. Yet, when faced with the very real realities of the region, you'd like them suppressed?

Today a 1,000 families in one of the areas toniest enclaves have their kids home from school after two armed men robbed and fired their gun on the high school's campus today. One perp still on the loose. THAT IS INSANE. For you to want to silence or downplay this illustrates just how numb you are to the violent crime in the region.

[Detroitnerd]

So you'd prefer a phony website full of sunshine and lollipops? Detroit is real. Detroit is authentic. Yet, when faced with the very real realities of the region, you'd like them suppressed?

Today a 1,000 families in one of the areas toniest enclaves have their kids home from school after two armed men robbed and fired their gun on the high school's campus today. One perp still on the loose. THAT IS INSANE. For you to want to silence or downplay this illustrates just how numb you are to the violent crime in the region.

And is the thread title cheeky? Yeah, sure. But isn't that how we traditionally deal with such problems as crime and blight? As metro Detroiters, we just move away. So it's cheeky but absolutely fair game to say.

[mark.vandorn]

And is the thread title cheeky? Yeah, sure. But isn't that how we traditionally deal with such problems as crime and blight? As metro Detroiters, we just move away. So it's cheeky but absolutely fair game to say.

Cheeky title? Guilty. Humor can help cope with the constant frustration. With that said, would I be surprised if literally over a 100 B'ham families have a very real discussion about moving today? Not in the slightest.

[jaytheory]

Cheeky title? Guilty. Humor can help cope with the constant frustration. With that said, would I be surprised if literally over a 100 B'ham families have a very real discussion about moving today? Not in the slightest.

quit running from your problems

[Gistok]

So you'd prefer a phony website full of sunshine and lollipops? Detroit is real. Detroit is authentic. Yet, when faced with the very real realities of the region, you'd like them suppressed?

Today a 1,000 families in one of the areas toniest enclaves have their kids home from school after two armed men robbed and fired their gun on the high school's campus today. One perp still on the loose. THAT IS INSANE. For you to want to silence or downplay this illustrates just how numb you are to the violent crime in the region.

No, what is insane is that a newbie comes onto this forum with 5PM Newscast Sensationalistic Thread Titles and screams the sky is falling...

Your silly thread title might have read "1000 Metro Detroit Maintenance Workers Seek New State for School Maintenance Jobs"... or maybe "Metro Detroit Teachers seek Sunbelt for Safety!"

It was at 4:30AM in the night... and the perpetraters weren't even IN the school.

[DetroitPlanner]

It was at 4:30AM in the night... and the perpetraters weren't even IN the school.

Exactly. These perps look for opportunity. During the day hours there are always lots of young men around who are looking to beat someone's ass. That is how high school works. They would not try to pull this at this location when there are actual people around who will fight back. Petty crooks are lazy by nature.

What does surprise me about this incident is that these folks consider a maintenance man to be a target. He probably did not have much money on him, nor was he probably driving a nice car. I guess this shows to what levels criminals will go to in order to get something. I would not consider this to be worth the risk, but what do I know? I respect people [[for the most part).

This is the reason why they also target people who are old or alone. E-Z pickin's!

[Cincinnati_Kid]

No, what is insane is that a newbie comes onto this forum with 5PM Newscast Sensationalistic Thread Titles and screams the sky is falling...

Your silly thread title might have read "1000 Metro Detroit Maintenance Workers Seek New State for School Maintenance Jobs"... or maybe "Metro Detroit Teachers seek Sunbelt for Safety!"

It was at 4:30AM in the night... and the perpetraters weren't even IN the school.

+100 absolutely.

[noise]

So you'd prefer a phony website full of sunshine and lollipops? Detroit is real. Detroit is authentic. Yet, when faced with the very real realities of the region, you'd like them suppressed?

Today a 1,000 families in one of the areas toniest enclaves have their kids home from school after two armed men robbed and fired their gun on the high school's campus today. One perp still on the loose. THAT IS INSANE. For you to want to silence or downplay this illustrates just how numb you are to the violent crime in the region.

You missed the point. He was referring to the quality of your post.

[wolverine]

So you'd prefer a phony website full of sunshine and lollipops? Detroit is real. Detroit is authentic. Yet, when faced with the very real realities of the region, you'd like them suppressed?

Today a 1,000 families in one of the areas toniest enclaves have their kids home from school after two armed men robbed and fired their gun on the high school's campus today. One perp still on the loose. THAT IS INSANE. For you to want to silence or downplay this illustrates just how numb you are to the violent crime in the region.

The madness is happening everywhere, and in the safest of safest communities. For Birmingham it's an episode, for Detroit and unfortunately other large cities, it's a regular occurrence. It shouldn't be that way for either but the undertones of your post suggest that you have something against Birmingham.

[gnome]

Just stop.

Nonsense threads like this are making this forum practically unreadable anymore. With no offense to proprietor Lowell, the quality of the posted content on this board has really gone downhill.

Agreed. I am surprised this post has not been scrubbed.

[corktownyuppie]

Agreed. I am surprised this post has not been scrubbed.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the solution is, but a different type [[or level) of forum moderation will be necessary for these badly needed discussions to become/remain productive.

[DetroitPlanner]

One of the biggest issues that many elite suburbs have is that Detroit has been 'picked over' and anyone with any money has either left or has gathered the wagons in very small areas. This now has made areas that were once untouchable by crime a target.

This could be a tipping point. Public safety and blight avoidance could be one of the areas where some sort of regional revenue sharing could help solve the issues of all concerned parties.

[GP For Life]

Public safety and blight avoidance could be one of the areas where some sort of regional revenue sharing could help solve the issues of all concerned parties.

Yeah because rich white suburbs want to watch more of their tax dollars go to waste in Detroit. Good idea.

They'll just hire more cops and enforce the laws more proactively.

[Hamtragedy]

One of the biggest issues that many elite suburbs have is that Detroit has been 'picked over' and anyone with any money has either left or has gathered the wagons in very small areas. This now has made areas that were once untouchable by crime a target.

This could be a tipping point. Public safety and blight avoidance could be one of the areas where some sort of regional revenue sharing could help solve the issues of all concerned parties.

While maybe not quite a tipping point [[yet), I could not agree with you any more. The whole bit "my community's safe so let Detroit rot" is old. Maybe if the disparity of 12k/student at Seaholm could even out with the 6.8k/student in Detroit, or the surplus L. Brooks brags about could somehow be used to supplement the DFD or DPD shortages, this region would get a whole lot more out of cooperation as opposed to the radical divisiveness we live with now.

Yeah, right.

[Bham1982]

Maybe if the disparity of 12k/student at Seaholm could even out with the 6.8k/student in Detroit, or the surplus L. Brooks brags about could somehow be used to supplement the DFD or DPD shortages, this region would get a whole lot more out of cooperation as opposed to the radical divisiveness we live with now.

Yeah, right.

Per-pupil funding in Birmingham and Detroit is almost exactly the same. There is very little difference in per-pupil funding between districts in Michigan. And your second point is ridiculous. Because Oakland is well managed and Wayne a disaster, Oakland should be punished by giving its surplus to Wayne, so that they can give out more 100k pensions to retired 40 year olds?

[mark.vandorn]

Per-pupil funding in Birmingham and Detroit is almost exactly the same. There is very little difference in per-pupil funding between districts in Michigan.

As I suspected. Furthermore, there is no correlation between increased spending and student test scores. But it's a way of life for race hustlers to spew out false rhetoric that is completely absent of all truth and logic.

[Hamtragedy]

As I suspected. Furthermore, there is no correlation between increased spending and student test scores. But it's a way of life for race hustlers to spew out false rhetoric that is completely absent of all truth and logic.

The problem is that you both missed the point. Stop looking at raw numbers and failures v. successes. Until this area comes together as a region [[do we need 74, 138, whatever separate school districts, police forces, fire departments, DPWs, you name it) this area will continue to fail.

Big picture, y'all.

And, oh, BTW, a simple google search will yield the following:

2009 Birmingham per pupil funding $ 12.4K
2009 Detroit per pupil funding 7.6K

Source: Detroit News

And as for your premise that there is no correlation between funding and test scores, a simple google search will yield that there are myriads of studies on either sides of that arguement. But you [[plural) are such intelligent beings that you must believe your own "holier-than-thou" rhetoric.

So please, keep up the great work and name calling.

[rb336]

Per-pupil funding in Birmingham and Detroit is almost exactly the same. There is very little difference in per-pupil funding between districts in Michigan. And your second point is ridiculous. Because Oakland is well managed and Wayne a disaster, Oakland should be punished by giving its surplus to Wayne, so that they can give out more 100k pensions to retired 40 year olds?

how many 100k pensions to 40 year olds are there? details, sources please.

[nain rouge]

Should've built those office buildings in Fowlerville instead of on Old Woodward.

[rb336]

Eh. It's Seaholm. We always expected crap there