Will Duggan win the swing voters? Lisa Howze endorses Duggan for Mayor

**corktownyuppie** · August-20-13, 11:50 AM

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in..._river_default

She only had 5% of the vote, but she/Napoleon were my next two choices after Mike "Ain't Nothin but a 2-G's in My Name Thang" Duggan.

**brizee** · August-20-13, 12:37 PM

I'm a Duggan supporter. I wrote him in and I'll be voting for him this fall. That out the way...

I think most people can determine Tom Barrow was the biggest motivator the Duggan camp could have asked for. Tell a bunch of black seniors that they can't vote for someone? After many of them lived through the bullshit where voting was strictly and violently denied them? You could this reaction coming a mile away.

Similarly some overenthusiastic Duggan supporters just might drive up support for Napoleon. Keep beating the drum about how black voters might revert back to supporting their own like they always do. Keep up the comparisons to Kwame Kilpatrick. Keep telling how Benny [[a 30+ year operative in Wayne county politics) is more of the same, while Duggan [[a 30+ year operative in Wayne county politics) is a breath of fresh air.

People don't like having their voting rights taken away. They also don't like constantly being told how stupid others percieve them to be*. They will respond at the ballot box.

My point in all this is, as someone who really does think Duggan is the best suited for the job...Be careful and think before broadcasting your thoughts to the world.

*The labelling of Snyder and his EM puppets as "the grownups are here" is another sly insult to voting public, but that's for another thread.

**corktownyuppie** · August-20-13, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by brizee

People don't like having their voting rights taken away. They also don't like constantly being told how stupid others percieve them to be*. They will respond at the ballot box.

My point in all this is, as someone who really does think Duggan is the best suited for the job...Be careful and think before broadcasting your thoughts to the world.

*The labelling of Snyder and his EM puppets as "the grownups are here" is another sly insult to voting public, but that's for another thread.

Agreed.

I think pragmatic, solution-minded people need to quash the emotional rhetoric and name-calling. On both sides. The middle dialogue has been hijacked by dysfunction for long enough.

**dmike76** · August-20-13, 12:38 PM

This election is already over. Duggan will win. Then again, most people thought Hendrix was going to beat King Kwame......

**sumas** · August-20-13, 01:28 PM

I had a charming discussion at church Sunday. A visitor was there.I was wearing my Duggan button. He asked why I supported Duggan. I told him. He told me why he did not support Duggan. We both civilly agreed to disagree but we both concurred people need to get out and vote.

This has been one interesting primary and November will sure be interesting too.

**getmoore** · August-20-13, 02:07 PM

WOW! They just announced on the news that Benny Napoleon actually WON the primary!!!!
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23...on-beat-duggan

**brizee** · August-20-13, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by getmoore

WOW! They just announced on the news that Benny Napoleon actually WON the primary!!!!
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23...on-beat-duggan

This is not even registering.

How is this even possible?

**rb336** · August-20-13, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by getmoore

WOW! They just announced on the news that Benny Napoleon actually WON the primary!!!!
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23...on-beat-duggan

Something smells awfully fishy here

**leland_palmer** · August-20-13, 03:07 PM

A county election official told the board the remaining votes were not counted because city election workers improperly tallied them.

The county uses hash-marks to tally votes. Instead, city election workers used numbers to tally some of the votes. Since numbers were used and not hash marks, they were uncounted.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz2cXf14min

**Scottathew** · August-20-13, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by leland_palmer

A county election official told the board the remaining votes were not counted because city election workers improperly tallied them.

The county uses hash-marks to tally votes. Instead, city election workers used numbers to tally some of the votes. Since numbers were used and not hash marks, they were uncounted.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz2cXf14min

Oh yeah, that makes PERFECT sense. Those people shouldn't have their votes counted, they messed up by having the wrong worker count their votes.

Is there any reason why they just don't re-count the entire thing instead of stripping 20,000 voters of their voice?

**dmike76** · August-20-13, 02:30 PM

I have no idea. i'd like to see an explanation on how the numbers could be so far off. SMH.......

**Hypestyles** · August-21-13, 09:31 AM

curious. I wonder what topics will come up at the debates- I guess the primary "decision" will probably be one.

**jolla** · August-21-13, 04:59 PM

Detroit doesn't have the money to count votes that mathematically can't change the outcome.

**313WX** · August-21-13, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by 48307

Yes, but what if it would have? Or what if it will in the future? It's an issue of confidence and knowing that you mattered.

People in Detroit will be less likely to vote if they know that their votes didn't count, whether they would have mattered or not.

Also, it's a matter of principal too. The right to vote is damn near sacred in this country.

Integrity is important, even when it doesn't matter.

Re-counting the votes won't change the outcome this time, and we can worry about the future when the future arrives.

And just because something seems right in principle doesn't necessarily mean it's practically right. We shouldn't have to delay the election and waste more money just to re-count these on principle when everyone knows the outcome will be the same.