so who voted? Duggan and Napoleon Win Detroit Mayoral Primary

**sumas** · August-06-13, 10:32 AM

We got an early start. Two ggs people. I know, I am just being annoying. Please vote for who ever you wish but please vote.

I had a difficult choice cause we have so many good candidates in district 5. It was a hard decision.

**Eber Brock Ward** · August-06-13, 10:43 AM

Voted here, too. Turnout was pretty solid early at my polling location

**sumas** · August-06-13, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Eber Brock Ward

Voted here, too. Turnout was pretty solid early at my polling location

that is good news. sadly we were 24 and 25. It was early though. Did joke with poll workers. I think my street are the major voters in our area and they concurred.

**cla1945** · August-06-13, 11:42 AM

Media just reported that only 17% of the population will vote today at the rate it's going now. What a shame. You want change, you need change, you demand better...but you don't participate. What's wrong with people? Things in Detroit won't just change without change in the administration [[even with Orr at the helm today). Orr will leave and someone will have to take over. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Duegon gets more votes than many of the candidates who are qualified. The "I don't care" attitude is alive and well in Detroit.

**downtownguy** · August-06-13, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by cla1945

Media just reported that only 17% of the population will vote today at the rate it's going now. What a shame. You want change, you need change, you demand better...but you don't participate. What's wrong with people? Things in Detroit won't just change without change in the administration [[even with Orr at the helm today). Orr will leave and someone will have to take over. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Duegon gets more votes than many of the candidates who are qualified. The "I don't care" attitude is alive and well in Detroit.

Yep, just blame Detroiters for everything. And let the media reinforce your opinions without looking for perspective.

Off year elections, elections for local officials, and primaries almost universally suffer from low voter turnout.

From fairvote.org:

Low turnout is most pronounced in off-year elections for state legislators and local officials as well as primaries. In many cities, for example, mayors of major cities often are elected with single-digit turnout ; for example, turnout was only 5 percent of registered voters in a recent Dallas mayoral election, 6 percent in Charlotte, and 7 percent in Austin.

Just check out that "I don't care" attitude in Charlotte and Austin! Those dumps! And that was for the general election, not the primary. But it's so much easier to blame all Detroiters, isn't it? Even if Detroit shares many of the same societal problems that exist throughout our country.

BTW, I was voter # 139 at my precinct when I voted at 10:30am.

**bailey** · August-06-13, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by downtownguy

Yep, just blame Detroiters for everything. And let the media reinforce your opinions without looking for perspective.

Off year elections, elections for local officials, and primaries almost universally suffer from low voter turnout.
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Just check out that "I don't care" attitude in Charlotte and Austin! Those dumps! And that was for the general election, not the primary. But it's so much easier to blame all Detroiters, isn't it? Even if Detroit shares many of the same societal problems that exist throughout our country.

While I don't disagree generally.... don't you sort of think THIS particular primary should be viewed as a little more important than just any old off year election primary? I don't recall any off-year primary being discussed, debated or covered like this one.

**downtownguy** · August-06-13, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

While I don't disagree generally.... don't you sort of think THIS particular primary should be viewed as a little more important than just any old off year election primary? I don't recall any off-year primary being discussed, debated or covered like this one.

And I don't disagree with you, Bailey. The fact is voter participation of all Americans frustrates me to no end. Some of it has to do with roadblocks endemic in the voting process. Why do we hold elections on what is usually a workday for most people? Why not hold them on weekends? Why just one day? Why not over two days, or more?

But more to the point is my frustration that Detroiters and/or Detroit voters are often used as the whipping boy by the media, the peanut gallery, and in this particular instance by cla1945.

**Det_ard** · August-06-13, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by downtownguy

And I don't disagree with you, Bailey. The fact is voter participation of all Americans frustrates me to no end. Some of it has to do with roadblocks endemic in the voting process. Why do we hold elections on what is usually a workday for most people? Why not hold them on weekends? Why just one day? Why not over two days, or more?

Anyone who's truly motivated to vote will find a way. Absentee is a viable option if one's schedule is an issue. I question whether we really want unmotivated and unengaged voters.

But more to the point is my frustration that Detroiters and/or Detroit voters are often used as the whipping boy by the media, the peanut gallery, and in this particular instance by cla1945.

Well, given the parade of clowns elected in Detroit by Detroiters can you really blame them? Pugh, Conyers, Reeves, Bates, Kilpatrick, Watson, BRC, Reverend Murray, etc.. I know the choices aren't always that great, but the electoral decision making of a large number of Detroiters understandably brings ridicule upon the city.

**313WX** · August-06-13, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by downtownguy

Yep, just blame Detroiters for everything. And let the media reinforce your opinions without looking for perspective.

Off year elections, elections for local officials, and primaries almost universally suffer from low voter turnout.

From fairvote.org:

Just check out that "I don't care" attitude in Charlotte and Austin! Those dumps! And that was for the general election, not the primary. But it's so much easier to blame all Detroiters, isn't it? Even if Detroit shares many of the same societal problems that exist throughout our country.

BTW, I was voter # 139 at my precinct when I voted at 10:30am.

^^^Post of the year.

**Crumbled_pavement** · August-06-13, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by downtownguy

Just check out that "I don't care" attitude in Charlotte and Austin! Those dumps! And that was for the general election, not the primary. But it's so much easier to blame all Detroiters, isn't it? Even if Detroit shares many of the same societal problems that exist throughout our country.

This post is too intelligent for this site.

Originally Posted by 313WX

^^^Post of the year.

But it doesn't belong here. Too much thought was put into it.

**cla1945** · August-06-13, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by downtownguy

Yep, just blame Detroiters for everything. And let the media reinforce your opinions without looking for perspective.

Off year elections, elections for local officials, and primaries almost universally suffer from low voter turnout.
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I am blaming Detroiters for this particular problem with the no shows. Who else would you refer to when you speak of an election that is voting for the Mayor of Detroit...Lapeer voters?

This particular election has been written about, been on television, been discussed at the churches, on the corners and in the barbershop...it's a very important election for Detroit.

There has been some hairbrained things that have happened and I would guess that many people do have an "I don't care" attitude. Believe me, I wish it were different...we'll see what kind of turnout there was after it's over.

Whatever happens in Detroit has an impact on myself and 20,000 other people as well. I have a hard time understanding why people choose to disrespect the messenger and smooth over a lackadaisical disinterest in what happens in their hometown.

**jt1** · August-06-13, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by cla1945

Whatever happens in Detroit has an impact on myself and 20,000 other people as well.

Will you care so much when bankruptcy is over and the fate of your pension is decided? Your posting history makes it clear that your concern has nothing to do with the residents and the state of the city, it is just your pension that is driving you to give a damn.

**cla1945** · August-06-13, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by jt1

Will you care so much when bankruptcy is over and the fate of your pension is decided? Your posting history makes it clear that your concern has nothing to do with the residents and the state of the city, it is just your pension that is driving you to give a damn.

Yes, I will care, just as much after bankruptcy [[if it happens) and the fate of my pension is decided [[probably more than some Detroiters).

Detroit was my home for 50 of my near 70 years of life, so I call it my hometown to anyone who asks. 30 of those 50 years were spent working for Detroit in the DFD. I had a high school education [[not 8th grade as Orr so aptly put it), when I began my career. When I say "I", remember, I am not only speaking for myself, but for others who did the same thing I did.

I signed paperwork when I began my career stating that I would live in the City for the entire time I worked for Detroit, and I did just that. I stayed, despite no decent services, faulty equipment, poor living conditions, sub-standard schools, high taxes, and crime through the roof.

I went to work for the City because it offered a stable job with little pay though, unlike private industry or even the auto industry. No layoffs, a health plan, and a chance to move up in the ranks; and it offered a retirement pension and health care as part of the package. The pension is a huge concern of mine and all of the other dedicated employees who are now at risk of losing it because of bad management and corrupt politicians. Yes, my pension is driving me to fight with every breath I have left. Fortunately for me, I scrimped and saved and maybe, just maybe, I'll be able to live another 10 years or so and pay my bills. Unlike some other retirees who get a very small pension amount and a limited health care plan.

Your badgering me about my pension only inflames me more because you and many others have no concept of what we did, what was promised, and contractural agreements that are now in question. As I said before, I am too old to do anything else and I certainly can't strap on 80 lbs. of equipment and run into places that you have never dreamed of...that's what I and others did for Detroit, so, yes, Detroit owes us this. Sell the art, sell Belle Isle, lease it, I don't give two shits, but to take away what we all worked so hard for is incomprehensible.

**corktownyuppie** · August-06-13, 12:30 PM

I was voter #006 at 7:30 a.m. and wrote in Mike Dugeon for City Clerk.

CTY

[[only one of the above statements is true).

**Vic01** · August-06-13, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by corktownyuppie

I was voter #006 at 7:30 a.m. and wrote in Mike Dugeon for City Clerk.

CTY

[[only one of the above statements is true).

you mean that your spelling is better than your sense of humor

**jonesy** · August-06-13, 01:33 PM

Voted 7:35am at St. Matthew. I was #15. Very few campaigns represented in the parking lot. In past elections it was like running a gauntlet to get into the building.

**Honky Tonk** · August-06-13, 01:42 PM

"so who has voted?"

Guilty...

**TexasT** · August-06-13, 02:01 PM

Voted at 7:30, was #5. I'd say we had about 100 voters by noon at Frederick Douglas in District 6.

**guito13** · August-06-13, 02:37 PM

I pay taxes to the city but I don't have the right to vote. Taxation without representation....

**poobert** · August-06-13, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by guito13

I pay taxes to the city but I don't have the right to vote. Taxation without representation....

You want to vote somewhere, you have to fucking live there as a citizen. You want to vote in Detroit, then move there. It's not rocket science. You draw a paycheck here apparently, so just be grateful for that. I pay sales tax when I shop in the suburbs, so how about you let me screw around with your elections? Resident aliens pay taxes, how about we let them elect our president? Please try to think these things through before you start on with your tea party nonsense.

I voted today. #16 at 720 this morning.

**getmoore** · August-06-13, 04:37 PM

My husband and I were #2 and #3 at 7:03 AM. Sadly No one was in line behind us.

**Danny** · August-07-13, 04:44 AM

YAY! DUGGAN, DUGGAN, DUGGAN. He's Back! He's ready to become Detroit's first white mayor in 40 years.

**Zacha341** · August-07-13, 05:09 AM

Some are arguing rather or not Duggan is in the lead. That fact that he is in [[lead or second) is the deal-maker for him, relative to a 'write in'. Like him or lump him...

Even if he is 'second' his positioning as a 'write in' speaks to a broad, diverse spectrum Detroit response within the black community!

A response the likes of Barrow [[someone I would have NEVER voted for) assumed was not possible!

**Vic01** · August-07-13, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Some are arguing rather or not Duggan is in the lead.

lawsuits and spelling debates aside... it's tough to "argue" with a 15,000 vote lead...

**coracle** · August-07-13, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Danny

YAY! DUGGAN, DUGGAN, DUGGAN. He's Back! He's ready to become Detroit's first white mayor in 40 years.

Good result Danny, but spare a thank you for Barrow and his side kick Davies who together projected Duggan [[have I got the speling write?) into widespread Public awareness.
"Hoist by one''s own petard" comes to mind.