Big mess at the family dollar.

**DetroitPlanner** · July-16-13, 08:13 PM

This stuff just makes me sick poor kids. I hope they catch this guy. http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/22...y-dollar-store

**Zacha341** · July-16-13, 10:31 PM

What store allows two twenty-year olds to close a store? They were sitting ducks. That mall is somewhat un-occupied from it's prior high traffic years and store management was apparently not THINKING that this kind of thing could happen, in Dearborn. It has.

Imagine the store sat their all night with the young man slain and the young woman abducted. I gather the door was wide open. For those kinds of stores I prefer Dollar General over Family Dollar in terms of having a security person on site.

**Hypestyles** · July-24-13, 06:32 PM

horrible and sad. At least the alleged perpetrator was caught. I've been to this store on occasion in the daytime.

**313WX** · July-16-13, 10:32 PM

To be fair, Family Dollar stores in the city and immediate suburbs are always a big mess anyway.

**Zacha341** · July-16-13, 10:35 PM

^^^ Yes, they are known for being robbed and what not especially the first of the month. And in the evening as close time. Thus, why two just- out-of-teens folks to run and close? Alone? No security?

There's a Dollar General in Detroit on Woodward not far from Midtown. Soon as you walk in you know the deal: armed security guard at the door, sound system blares out that "your presence is being monitored for your safety", multi-cameras front, back and side. Someone watching from in the back. They don't do 'cash-back' to minimize the exchange of cash. No young folks working there. The DG on Layfayette, downtown had an attempted armed robbery early on when they first came to the city so they tightened thing up significantly in response.

At least when I go in there I won't be walking in upon something violate jumping off...

**AGinthe313** · July-18-13, 08:12 AM

On my way into work I saw several police cars and a K9 unit at the Michigan Ave. [[East)/Southfield exit. They also had the area taped-off.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...-Family-Dollar

stevenh · July-18-13, 11:46 AM

Why would anyone profile or be concerned of a youth wearing a hoodie?

**pkbroch** · July-18-13, 01:44 PM

They believe they found her body.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...-Family-Dollar

Condolences to the family.

**Danny** · July-18-13, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by stevenh

Why would anyone profile or be concerned of a youth wearing a hoodie?

A guy who killed those Family Dollar employees could be a sexual predator.

1st theory, The female employee that was abducted must have knew the attacker. So the attacker took her in Rouge River, sexual assaulted her and kill her.

2nd theory, that male in the black hoodie could be white male that wore a black hoodie so society could blame African Americans.

3rd theory, that male in the black hoodie could be a black male.

Whatever a crime happens in America, Black males will be blamed first.

**Zacha341** · July-18-13, 08:48 PM

Hoodie profiling has been going on for about five or six years from what I've noticed [[pre Trevon Martin incident) two liquor stores I know of have "hoodie no service". CVS in New Center had a sign up from time to time "Do not enter with hoodie pulled up". Not an official CVS home office edict. Hand-written like the ones at liquor store.

Uh, 90+ degree weather, man coming into establishment black, white or stripped wearing a hoodie is usually not a good day.

Again, I think FD was negligent to some extent. What is there 'shut down' procedure? Door open all night, body of male laying there not to be found until next day as young woman is abducted hours earlier. Yeah. Great place to work! Not. Did not Dearborn police think it was strange to see lights on in store say 4:30 AM?

Originally Posted by stevenh

Why would anyone profile or be concerned of a youth wearing a hoodie?

**Honky Tonk** · July-19-13, 06:30 AM

What gets me, reading these posts, is how the blame is shifting from that fat POS with the black hoodie, to Family Dollar.

**Zacha341** · July-19-13, 06:49 AM

For me there's a combination of factors... I've done retail [[in another life) and there are closing procedures that must be followed and absent here. Had said 'clear and secure - call-in to clear - arm alarm' processes [[standard to many retail CHAIN establishments) been adhered to the search for the girl could have started THAT NIGHT due to an absent of said 'processes' being noted!

I have worked in East Dearborn in another capacity and there are areas and openings for crime not being addressed as it should be. This will serve as a 'wake up' for Dearborn in general.

But yes, the main issue is ease of how this place was laid open to be cased, robbed and two young people murdered. The perp knew he could do it and easily get away with it, AND is still out there and may strike again... Security must be tightened. This place was an easy 'mark' for a rob-and-kill agenda. There was little deterrent aside from the camera, thus the person had that hoodie thing going on.... The two workers did not even have a chance.

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

What gets me, reading these posts, is how the blame is shifting from that fat POS with the black hoodie, to Family Dollar.

**Crumbled_pavement** · July-19-13, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

For me there's a combination of factors...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. You just lost all of DYes with that statement. No matter what side of the fence one sits on, one thing all DYesers agree on, the problem is always one thing or the other. Never has there ever been consensus that a combination of factors could cause problems.

**Zacha341** · July-19-13, 08:06 AM

^^^ Drats Crumbled Pave! What's a person to do? But yeah things are often not 'either/ or' it's often 'both/ and'....

**sumas** · July-19-13, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

What gets me, reading these posts, is how the blame is shifting from that fat POS with the black hoodie, to Family Dollar.

Zacha is right the store has a responsibility to adhere to safe practices.

I worked retail/wholesale for 30 yrs and could tell stories that would curl toes. On a different thread there was discussion about "safe" malls. There are none. Just some malls and community are better at keeping ugly secrets.

It is a given that all, want a murderer off the streets.

**Honky Tonk** · July-19-13, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by sumas

Zacha is right the store has a responsibility to adhere to safe practices.

I worked retail/wholesale for 30 yrs and could tell stories that would curl toes. On a different thread there was discussion about "safe" malls. There are none. Just some malls and community are better at keeping ugly secrets.

It is a given that all, want a murderer off the streets.

I too didn't just fall off of the turnip truck today either, sumas. I've worked retail in nice neighborhoods and in rough neighborhoods, and have received associated injuries trying to be a nice guy. The problem today, compare to my time, is today ANYTHING goes, it keeps getting weirder by the minute, the menality is blame whoever has the most money. This guy murders one kid, kidnaps another, uses her for his sexual pleasure, then discards her like an empty pop can, and this is Family Dollars fault? This guy's a sicko in the worst possible way. I don't think Family Dollar or anyone else could see this coming.

**compn** · July-19-13, 08:20 AM

wonder how much it would cost to have a computer system detect hoodie and auto lock the doors so the hooded people couldnt get in?

probably less than $15k

**Zacha341** · July-19-13, 09:02 AM

Hah! As I've said before some merchants in the city have had un-official 'Hoodie, no service', 'hoody must be pulled down to enter' preamble ala signs on entry doors etc -- pre Travon Martin incident. Crazy that a form of clothing has been used to obscure the identity to a level that is has been malign so but it is....

Originally Posted by compn

wonder how much it would cost to have a computer system detect hoodie and auto lock the doors so the hooded people couldnt get in?

probably less than $15k

**Hermod** · July-19-13, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Hah! As I've said before some merchants in the city have had un-official 'Hoodie, no service', 'hoody must be pulled down to enter' preamble ala signs on entry doors etc -- pre Travon Martin incident. Crazy that a form of clothing has been used to obscure the identity to a level that is has been malign so but it is....

Banks in Florida have "remove hats and sunglasses before entering bank" signs.

**Zacha341** · July-24-13, 04:00 PM

Who can blame them? Many robbers use some form of concealing their identity. Hoodies, hats, sun glasses, the works!

Originally Posted by Hermod

Banks in Florida have "remove hats and sunglasses before entering bank" signs.

**sumas** · July-24-13, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Who can blame them? Many robbers use some form of concealing their identity. Hoodies, hats, sun glasses, the works!

remember the good old days of no shirt, no shoes, no service.

**SWMAP** · July-19-13, 09:23 AM

Once again, Danny had it before anyone else. Here’s what happened:

Guy in the hoodie is ex-employee who had a crush on the girl but she not interested.

Hoodie finds out that Orlando has a crush on the girl and they are alone together. Hoodie guy comes in, shoots Orlando and takes girl, She was sexually assaulted and gunned down.

Anyway, that’s the story in Dearborn.

**Honky Tonk** · July-19-13, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Once again, Danny had it before anyone else. Here’s what happened:

Guy in the hoodie is ex-employee who had a crush on the girl but she not interested.

Hoodie finds out that Orlando has a crush on the girl and they are alone together. Hoodie guy comes in, shoots Orlando and takes girl, She was sexually assaulted and gunned down.

Anyway, that’s the story in Dearborn.

That's all Family Dollar's fault, he was being disrespected. I know an ex-marine, turned barber, [[careful), he, in no uncertain terms "asks" guys to remove the hoodie, or GTFO.

**Danny** · July-25-13, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Once again, Danny had it before anyone else. Here’s what happened:

Guy in the hoodie is ex-employee who had a crush on the girl but she not interested.

Hoodie finds out that Orlando has a crush on the girl and they are alone together. Hoodie guy comes in, shoots Orlando and takes girl, She was sexually assaulted and gunned down.

Anyway, that’s the story in Dearborn.

I was quite right on part of my theory. It was a black guy in the hoodie who was a sexual pervert. Whatever crime happens in America, black males will be blamed FIRST!

**Zacha341** · July-25-13, 07:19 AM

Hoodie up in the summer time usual not a good sign. According to news reports this jerk was a problem in jail where he ONLY served a year for Criminal Sexual assault? He worked at FD before - he knew the place was lax on security and shut down procedures and it is known by other merchants. He made a mark of the place and the young people working there and proceeded forth with his agenda.

Family Dollar paid for the funerals, they know they have a hand in this negligance... he must have thought he could vanish into the criminal under-world like in Detroit. NOPE. He lives in Dearborn, committed crime in Dearborn - oh this was not going go forward without an apprehension.

I work in Dearborn and I saw squad cars all over the place turning over rocks and wacking bushes to find this killer.

See video that details much including the fact that FD paid for funerals:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/22...ar-murder-case