Palmer Park rehabbed apartments...

[David L]

Does anyone have knowledge of these renovated properties?
I am looking for a second home to spend the summers. Have safety issues been addressed? And are the buildings older white boy friendly? Used to be a great neighborhood in the 70's.

[Danny]

NO! Palmer Park has been change in the last 100 years went from a French, Scottish, Greek, Polish German, Finnish mixed community to a fast growing Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish community to a quick black community. Then crackheads, prostitutes, homosexuals and squatters came and made a ruckus of that area. Today private companies are rehabing some of the apartments and made it non-subsidized to control property values. Those who work and have excellent credit points will be able to live those rehabed apts.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

NO! Palmer Park has been change in the last 100 years went from a French, Scottish, Greek, Polish German, Finnish mixed community to a fast growing Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish community to a quick black community. Then crackheads, prostitutes, homosexuals and squatters came and made a ruckus of that area. Today private companies are rehabing some of the apartments and made it non-subsidized to control property values. Those who work and have excellent credit points will be able to live those rehabed apts.

The "homosexuals" made a ruckus of that area? Sorry Danny, if the gays had not found it necessary to flee the area, the current rehabbing would not be necessary. All of that would have been done decades ago and Palmer Park would have remained a thriving gem of a neighborhood.

[Danny]

The "homosexuals" made a ruckus of that area? Sorry Danny, if the gays had not found it necessary to flee the area, the current rehabbing would not be necessary. All of that would have been done decades ago and Palmer Park would have remained a thriving gem of a neighborhood.

When you get folks like those moving into your neighborhood other straight and clean middle class folks move out driving down property values creating mayhem. I grew up near Palmer Park, My cousins used to live there. We saw all the mess coming into the area And my family quickly move away over 20 years ago. Til that day I haven't returned. I wouldn't put to two shoes in that area until the ruckus and yahoos are out.

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

When you get folks like those moving into your neighborhood other straight and clean middle class folks move out driving down property values creating mayhem. I grew up near Palmer Park, My cousins used to live there. We saw all the mess coming into the area And my family quickly move away over 20 years ago. Til that day I haven't returned. I wouldn't put to two shoes in that area until the ruckus and yahoos are out.

If you think gay residents drive DOWN property values you are sorely mistaken. Sometimes ignorant bigots might move out, but that is an improvement. Hmmm.... your family moved out....

[Danny]

If you think gay residents drive DOWN property values you are sorely mistaken. Sometimes ignorant bigots might move out, but that is an improvement. Hmmm.... your family moved out....

My family move out of the Palmer Park, Sherwood Forrest, Martin Park, Pilgrim Village area not because of homosexuals and squatters, It was a plague of DEAD [[C)KRAK HEADS from Highland Park and other yahoos. They are the ones who drove property values down and left other apts. into crud. Now since private investors trying to buy every last apts. in Palmer Park. They will make sure that each tenent should have good credit points before the move in. They would kept property values up.

[gnome]

If you think gay residents drive DOWN property values you are sorely mistaken. Sometimes ignorant bigots might move out, but that is an improvement. Hmmm.... your family moved out....

DOTWS - forgive me but do I remember correctly that you lived - or spent some time- in PP during the early to mid 1980s? I seem to remember that you said our Mayor at the time more or less pulled the cops out of the area thereby forcing an exodus of gay men into Royal Oak and eventually Ferndale.

is my memory correct or have the mists of time rendered my memory fogalious?

[Danny]

If you think gay residents drive DOWN property values you are sorely mistaken. Sometimes ignorant bigots might move out, but that is an improvement. Hmmm.... your family moved out....

I and my cousins used to live in that area 20 years ago. When gays, lesbians crackheads from Highland Park move Palmer Park Apartment complexes. Young professionals move out and property values drop and most apt. complexes left abandon fit for squatting and drug dealing. Thanks to private companies rehabbing the area. They will let those who have a decent income and good credit into their complexes, even if those complexes are subsidized. Mike Duggan [[ when he was Wayne County Prosecutor at that time) sought the plight of Palmer Park, He clean up the drug dealers and squatters and brought in private companies for restoration of those apt complexes. Yes ignorant people who don't like homosexuals will move out. But for those who trash Palmer Park will cause people to move out and property values to drop. It's all part of human nature.

[Jaybiz]

When you get folks like those moving into your neighborhood other straight and clean middle class folks move out driving down property values creating mayhem. I grew up near Palmer Park, My cousins used to live there. We saw all the mess coming into the area And my family quickly move away over 20 years ago. Til that day I haven't returned. I wouldn't put to two shoes in that area until the ruckus and yahoos are out.

You're fuckin kidding right?

[Danny]

You're fuckin kidding right?

I am not being misinformed about anything that goes on the Palmer Park or the ghettoes on Detroit, becuase I grew up in the ghettoes ever since I was a baby. I was taught by parents, friends and relatives what streets should I go and what street should I stay out. So far I haven't been back to Palmer Park since 1990. It has gotten bery worse since the crackheads from Highand Park took over, middle class folks move out and the yahoos move in. I wouldn't try to go in that area in middle of the night. Less you carry a gun and knife. When the sun comes out. Everyone will continue to work and play in Palmer Park like their own businesses. Most of the apartments are fine and others are squatter's den. Most of the apartments are being rehabbed to lure middle income folks, not welfare folks! Those are the people who chase out the middle class young professions out of Palmer Park since the early 1980s. Whe I was a kid grewing up near Palmer Park it was deemed quite safe. Fewer homosexuals are moving in and since Temple Israel moved to Bloomfield Hills, MI. All the Orthodox Jews quickly moved away. It was the last synagogue in Northwest Detroit. I glad that Palmer Park Apts are being rehabbed. but until the yahoos are moved out. Those Apts. will get a fewer young professionals.

[xrockerboy]

When you get folks like those moving into your neighborhood other straight and clean middle class folks move out driving down property values creating mayhem. I grew up near Palmer Park, My cousins used to live there. We saw all the mess coming into the area And my family quickly move away over 20 years ago. Til that day I haven't returned. I wouldn't put to two shoes in that area until the ruckus and yahoos are out.

"Straight flight"?

[EastsideAl]

Anyone have any insight on the original poster's questions? I never lived in that area, but it was a great place for a long time and could be again. I am very happy to hear about rehabilitation efforts. The neighborhood certainly has a building stock unlike any other in the City of Detroit. But everyone I knew who once lived in that area have been gone from there for so long that I no longer have any knowledge of current conditions in the neighborhood [[and some of them were, yes Danny, scary homosexuals, who have since gone on to be terrifying middle-class homeowners in the ghettos of Indian Village, Royal Oak, suburban Boston, Adams Morgan in DC, and other gay-ruined places in the U.S.).

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

As I recall from the earlier threads, Shelborne Development itself is rehabbing something like nine buildings. Quite an ambitious undertaking. I certainly hope this area can rebound and become a welcoming, diverse community. I'd also be curious about the original poster's question.

[p69rrh51]

Danny was a bit misinformed most of the rehabs are subsidized. The only way the developer could get financing. For me there are 3 buildings I would consider. 1001 Covington has 16 units and the apartments only share one common wall. The building is in very good condition. And of course its an Albert Kahn design.


Walbri Court Apartments 1001 Covington built in 1925 Palmer Park Aprtment Building Historic District Detroit, MI.

[p69rrh51]

The Paul Tilds designed Covington Arms 333 Covington built in 1952 Palmer Park Apartment Historic District. Another building with the apartments sharing a couple common walls.

[p69rrh51]

Last the Paul Tilds designed Manor House 660 Whitmore built in 1949 Palmer Park Apartment Historic Distrcit Detroit, MI. The building has underground parking for the residents.

[Zacha341]

That building layout looks fantastic. The units must be huge? Like the row of windows spanning across that wide must make for some kind of view and lighting. I'd like to tour some of these wonderful structures...

Last the Paul Tilds designed Manor House 660 Whitmore built in 1949 Palmer Park Apartment Historic Distrcit Detroit, MI. The building has underground parking for the residents.

[p69rrh51]

All three buildings have never been abandoned and are in very good shape.

[Canthisbe]

Fro what it is worth:

Crime Mapping Detroit

http://www.crimemapping.com/map.aspx...7-17f60e517d9d

[neavling]

Homophobia is so widespread and irrational in Detroit that some people would rather live in squalor than next to gay people. I live on the lower east side in a predominately low-income high rise and I heard people in the lobby talking about how they would never go back to the apartments in Palmer Woods because of the "gays."

When I lived in Saginaw, a group of gay guys bought up historic homes and cleaned up the area.

[rex]

Needs a developer with deep pockets and some vision. Its a neat area with architectural character & should be a priority for redevelopment. Could use a big fence encircling it and private security. All the empty buildings need to be sealed up and made to look acceptable from the outside until they are restored. People with no business should be denied access. Make it nice and safe, make safety a selling point and I bet people of means, students and professionals would return. Little parks and gardens, good lighting. A pavilion for cookouts, block parties and picnics. A little cafe/coffee shop, maybe a market with fresh vegetables and a deli. Could be a high population density area

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

http://modeldmedia.com/devnews/lavog...oit051512.aspx It was a year ago that Model D highlighted the La Vogue. The article mentions a mix of affordable and market-rate. I'd be curious about the ratio.

[m b v]

Is this thread a joke? Out of curiosity I purposely drove through this very area last night on way to parents home in Birmingham. Between 2-3 a.m. I saw prostitution, hand to hand, many sketchy “characters” walking the area, and numerous abandoned apartment buildings right next to these “prime” pieces of real estate. Don’t forget the Déjà Vu on the corner that had roughly 8 Wayne/Detroit [[?) police cruisers blocking a street off for whatever reason. Did I mention most of the street lights were off? This area is at least 10 years away from being a viable living option for anyone that values their life – and that’s only if Midtown prospers at a rapid rate, which is far from guaranteed*.



*Palmer Park is almost 4 miles away from Midtown, i.e. that's a lot of expansion needed before you convince college educated young people to live in these apts

[Gistok]

Is this thread a joke? Out of curiosity I purposely drove through this very area last night on way to parents home in Birmingham. Between 2-3 a.m. I saw prostitution, hand to hand, many sketchy “characters” walking the area, and numerous abandoned apartment buildings right next to these “prime” pieces of real estate. Don’t forget the Déjà Vu on the corner that had roughly 8 Wayne/Detroit [[?) police cruisers blocking a street off for whatever reason. Did I mention most of the street lights were off? This area is at least 10 years away from being a viable living option for anyone that values their life – and that’s only if Midtown prospers at a rapid rate, which is far from guaranteed*.



*Palmer Park is almost 4 miles away from Midtown, i.e. that's a lot of expansion needed before you convince college educated young people to live in these apts

Funny you mentioned joke... it begs the question... what were you doing in this area at 7 Mile & Woodward at 2AM??

And also... isn't it a bit difficult to spot development in the middle of the night with the streetlights out??

And how did you get presumptuous enough to assume that the only development that Detroit can get is if it eminates from Downtown/Midtown??

You do know that Palmer Woods/Sherwood Forest are adjacent to this area... and both of those prosperous areas are still well tended to and lived in? Certainly redeveloping this area doesn't require Midtown??

And the idea that any developments of Midtown would have to go thru New Center, New Center Commons/Piety Hill, Boston Edison... AND Highland Park before it ever would spread northwards to these apartments... where did you get that idea from? Certainly not from this forum??

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

No, this thread is not a joke. I have not been through the area in years, but hope to take a gander at it this year if I'm in the area. There may still be major problems in the area, but at a minimum 9 or so major buildings currently undergoing or soon to undergo high quality renovations might at least mean that the area has bottomed out and is on the rebound. That does not mean that the area is already safe and stable.