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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    except these two have lived in the US since they were kids. There were also reports in 2004 that the US/UK were providing support for chechen groups.

    oh - and chechens are caucasian
    My Tea Party uncle is up in arms with the "improper use of the word Caucasian" in the news. Idiot doesn't seem to know what "Caucasus" means. Us white folks need to be called....well, we need to be called white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    I missed that. Please link to news articles claiming "that Obama told the FBI to let the guy escape as part of a plot to take our guns"? I do know that Axelrod, Salon, and other left voices were almost gleeful in their hope that this was the doings of a TeaParty type. I'll be glad to find links for you about those imaginings. Only libs would hope other Americans did it.
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    After watching this spectacle, I wound up with other questions about policing, cars, the Saudi, the other three arrests, and the Tsarnaev family time line. I don't have conclusions but I do wonder why so many things weren't addressed by the MSM. it was so bad that The Daily Show took CNN to task. I'll go along with these guys being the participants in the fire fight and almost certainly the bombers but it was background coverage, or lack thereof, I found interesting.
    Look up Alex Jones' comments about it. there are more, but you wouldn't look anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    Look up Alex Jones' comments about it. there are more, but you wouldn't look anyway
    rb, I failed. I Googled "Obama told FBI let guy escape Alex Jones" to verify your claim but nothing came up to substantiate your claim "that Obama told the FBI to let the guy escape as part of a plot to take our guns." Maybe you could do better. I did find a report of a CBC hacking on Alex Jones' site though.

    It is interesting that your try to obfuscate the Marathon bombings by trying to roll out whatever Alex Jones said, or you imagined he said, as if Alex Jones' ramblings somehow equated with what actually happened. You should sign up as one of Obama's Warriors. Then you would get paid for this stuff. It must be depressing to find out that at least one of the bombers leaned Obama just before your candidates were hoping to give all these folks amnesty.
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    Back to the main story. The Daily Mail has done a better job of covering the bombings than CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. I previously linked to the Daily Mail story about three other people being arrested in connection with the bombings after the arrest of White Hat. A day later, yesterday, AP finally got around to reporting that two people had been arrested ignoring the photos of their girlfriend being taken away in handcuffs as shown in the previous day's Daily Mail. Last night, the Daily Mail said that the FBI was now pursuing a sleeper ring of a dozen suspects. Why is the British media a day ahead? Drudge is doing a pretty good job of keeping up with the latest marathon news.

    Pam, I agree. There was, however, a court ruling that Miranda did not apply if the officers lives were actually being threatened when making an arrest. That is what the government is trying to stretch in this case to claim Miranda doesn't apply.
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    Oladub I don't keep up with Drudge but I have to agree that the Daily Mail coverage was superior to any of our news outlets here, and for the life of me I can't understand why ?

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    gazhekwe, My question to rb was to verify his claim "that Obama told the FBI to let the guy escape as part of a plot to take our guns." I couldn't verify that claim. The yahoo article says that Jones thinks this is a false flag attack which he is very upfront about and hardly news but I couldn't find the part about letting the guy escape although I didn't watch the video.

    The Mayor of Boston is still saying that this is all wrapped up, that only these two were involved while the FBI now seems to be going after a dozen people in a sleeper cell. Alex Jones goes beyond that. A few days ago, the FBI was asking for help identifying the photo of someone it had interviewed in 2011.

    For anyone needing government guidance and challenged by opinions not fitting the official story line, not as yet fully determined, there was this bit of advise:

    “…[[the FBI released) images should be the only ones, I emphasize, the only ones that the public should view to assist us. Other photos should not be deemed credible, and they unnecessarily divert the public’s attention in the wrong direction, and create undo work for vital law-enforcement resources.” -Richard DesLauriers, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Boston division

    I credit the FBI with being flexible enough to at least go from claiming there were only two bombers to pursuing 12 people while the Mayor is still patting himself on the back for wrapping this thing up.

    firstandten, I don't have any good explanations either. The Daily Mail is now reporting that the elder brother got kicked out of his mosque for opposing mention of MLK.
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    Has anyone noticed some media reports are referring to Dzhokhar Tarnaev as "the teen"?

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    The fact is that the American media are money-grubbing little shits who are far more interested in the sensationalism than the facts, and who are damned if they will let someone else break a story first - even if it is fallacious. Right-wing lunatics from Hannity on down have piped in on various White House cover ups of various types - Hannity in particular on covering up Saudi involvement. Numerous right-wing jackasses from Alex Jones etc. started screaming "false flag" from the start.

    The British media aren't necessarily immune to this stupidity, but they seem - at least in their "respected" media - to treat news with more reliance on fact and less concern about one-upsmanship, political ideology and profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    Right-wing lunatics from Hannity on down have piped in on various White House cover ups of various types - Hannity in particular on covering up Saudi involvement. Numerous right-wing jackasses from Alex Jones etc. started screaming "false flag" from the start.
    The Libs now try really hard to sound like a bunch of badasses while backing the party who hasn't had the BALLS to call terrorists terrorists [[they call them "Freedom Fighters" so they won't offend them because they are so hyper sensitive they might make someone MAD! oH nO!)


    HERE'S YOUR FREEDOM FIGHTERS, A MESSAGE COURTESY OF MOTHER RUSSIA:
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    Let's also remember something else:

    CONNECTICUT and MASSACHUSETTS are both STRONGHOLDS for the LEFT .... With all these young men turning out so violent, IT SEEMS THE VILLAGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE TO RAISE A CHILD ISN'T RAISING IT'S CHILDREN RIGHT!

    You better go back to the drawing board....

    Now commence your raging once again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papasito View Post
    The Libs now try really hard to sound like a bunch of badasses while backing the party who hasn't had the BALLS to call terrorists terrorists [[they call them "Freedom Fighters" so they won't offend them because they are so hyper sensitive they might make someone MAD! oH nO!)


    HERE'S YOUR FREEDOM FIGHTERS, A MESSAGE COURTESY OF MOTHER RUSSIA:
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    Let's also remember something else:

    CONNECTICUT and MASSACHUSETTS are both STRONGHOLDS for the LEFT .... With all these young men turning out so violent, IT SEEMS THE VILLAGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE TO RAISE A CHILD ISN'T RAISING IT'S CHILDREN RIGHT!

    You better go back to the drawing board....

    Now commence your raging once again

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    ^^^You've gone full retard.

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    Papasito there you go again in your alternate universe. This administration has been harder and more effective in dealing with terrorist than any in recent time. Many on the left has criticized the President because of his approach to terrorist acts especially when it comes to drones. I read one pathetic right winger criticize the Presidents use of drones by saying at least when we waterboarded people we got information from them. I told you before the President is probably the biggest hawk out there he just doesn't give you a lot of useless tough guy talk like we use to hear from Mr. Bush.

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    Turns out one of them was in Russia in 2012.
    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...der-alias?lite
    The Russians pointed one of them out to us as a threat and the Government questioned him and LET HIM GO.
    There is failure on many levels here.

    And if people want to start talking about the Saudis...

    You must be talking about the Country where OUR SITTING PRESIDENT bowed to their king and kicked off his apology tour to Islam..
    You must be talking about the place that the Left LOVES getting our oil from so the can get FILTH RICH while they BAN our resources here with MILLIONS OF AMERICANS out of work.

    You see, the LEFT and RIGHT both cave to the Saudis.
    You can't point your finger at one party when it comes to that, because BOTH parties fuel that beast.

    Dubai should have been Detroit.
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    WOW papa, really going off the deep-end to be hauling out the racist phony bullshit from 3 or 4 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    WOW papa, really going off the deep-end to be hauling out the racist phony bullshit from 3 or 4 years ago
    Islam being a religion rather than a race aside, do you think Bill Maher is a racist too? On April 2o, Maher commented on Islam. Example:


    MAHER: I mean, there's only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So, you know, I’m just saying, let's keep it real
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    I can't find proof that Axelrod wished for the Boston bombing suspects to be rightwing/Tea Partiers.

    Probably because it's untrue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papasito View Post
    Dubai should have been Detroit.
    On many sub levels, Dubai is Detroit. Do some research.

    I'm so tired of hearing the same old rhetoric about Obama bowing to the dude in Saudi. It's protocol, not unlike shaking someone's hand in the west.

    "You see, the LEFT and RIGHT both cave to the Saudis.
    You can't point your finger at one party when it comes to that, because BOTH parties fuel that beast."

    As do we all, for the time being. I'll give you that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    I can't find proof that Axelrod wished for the Boston bombing suspects to be rightwing/Tea Partiers.

    Probably because it's untrue?
    Noise, I'll help.

    Axelrod suggested it may have had something to do with it being "tax day".
    “It was tax day,” he said, “Is it someone who was pro-?”

    He cut himself off before getting in any deeper

    Chris Matthews brought up tax day too.

    MATTHEWS: "tax day today. That came up. You know, I was thinking of all the iconic events that are being told about today. Of course I knew it was tax day because I got them in. But of course, it's Patriots Day. It's also the Boston Marathon. And would you as an expert be thinking domestic at this point? I don't think tax day means a lot to the Arab world or Islamic world or certainly not to al Qaeda in terms of their world. It doesn't have iconic significance."
    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that. Do they advertise after they do something like this? Do they try to get credit as a group or do they just hate America so much or its politics or its government that they just want to do the damage, they don't care if they get public credit, if you will?


    Solon did go off the deep end. "Shortly after Monday's tragedy in Boston, David Sirota of Salon Magazine penned a piece titled "Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American.""


    One was a white American but I don't think it was what he meant. These guys must have been so disappointed. Libs can be so creepy.





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    I think twelve plus years into the twenty first century, we need some new categories. I seriously do think that. Liberals, conservatives, independents, capitalists, socialists. Does anyone really still fit into any of these categories. I think we could all come together somewhat if we could just shed some of the social stigma attached to these convenient terms we all toss around. And when I say we all toss around, I include myself.

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    How about TaxProducers; TaxSpenders; and Donothings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Noise, I'll help.

    Axelrod suggested it may have had something to do with it being "tax day".
    “It was tax day,” he said, “Is it someone who was pro-?”

    He cut himself off before getting in any deeper

    Chris Matthews brought up tax day too.

    MATTHEWS: "tax day today. That came up. You know, I was thinking of all the iconic events that are being told about today. Of course I knew it was tax day because I got them in. But of course, it's Patriots Day. It's also the Boston Marathon. And would you as an expert be thinking domestic at this point? I don't think tax day means a lot to the Arab world or Islamic world or certainly not to al Qaeda in terms of their world. It doesn't have iconic significance."
    MATTHEWS: Let me ask you about domestic terrorism as a category. Normally, domestic terrorists, people tend to be on the far right, well that’s not a good category, just extremists, let’s call them that. Do they advertise after they do something like this? Do they try to get credit as a group or do they just hate America so much or its politics or its government that they just want to do the damage, they don't care if they get public credit, if you will?


    Solon did go off the deep end. "Shortly after Monday's tragedy in Boston, David Sirota of Salon Magazine penned a piece titled "Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American.""


    One was a white American but I don't think it was what he meant. These guys must have been so disappointed. Libs can be so creepy.




    So stating a fact about the day/timing is the same as "wishing" or "hope"? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old guy View Post
    On many sub levels, Dubai is Detroit. Do some research.

    I'm so tired of hearing the same old rhetoric about Obama bowing to the dude in Saudi. It's protocol, not unlike shaking someone's hand in the west.
    and no where near as bad as dubya walking hand-in-hand and kissing him

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    Quote Originally Posted by rb336 View Post
    and no where near as bad as dubya walking hand-in-hand and kissing him

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    I believe I see a little tongue in the bottom left one. Don't forget too, friends and family were whisked immediately away right after 9-11. I believe on Air Force One?

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    This is no joke, just got a call from my wife who got a text message from the company she works for telling of a foiled terrorist plot to derail a passenger train. It makes it all the more real when your loved ones can be eliminated by al qaeda. She works on these trains between Toronto and Montreal. This just came out on the newswire;

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...c-arrests.html
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    yeah, just read about that. they've been following the guys for a year

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    Suspect has now been read his rights:

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022737209

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