"Hit Squads" in Detroit

[getmoore]

I was wondering what happened to the case of a young man that was killed on Somerset and Warren in Morning Side a few months ago.His name was Demetrius Green. He was a promising young man. His story is here:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20...SJ9bY.facebook

While researching the case I found this:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20...d-to-hit-squad

The gun used to murder this young man was used in 12 OTHER MURDERS!!! One gun!!!!! This bothered me so much that I actually went here:
http://chamspage.blogspot.com/2013/0...homicides.html
To see just how many robberies there were where the victim was killed. Could it be possible that a large amount of our homicides are caused by just a few groups of cold blooded killers?
I must admit I rolled my eyes when I heard the Mayor say at some press conference recently that they were going hard after a few people who are a major problem. I was thinking that it couldn't be just a few people but now I don't know what to think!

[Zacha341]

Thank you for the updates and the chamspage site. For sure there's a band of folks, and individuals seeking 'marks' [[young and old) they feel they can try... They know their crimes will not be pursued for the most part.

[Honky Tonk]

"That is absolutely crazy," said Reverend Darryl Gaddy with Victory Fellowship Community Church.
"It's a matter of survival for them. Many of them are living alone and many of them have been turned out to the streets. They don't have places to go. They don't have food to eat. So they're trying to survive."

So they murder innocent people because they're hungry? They had his jacket, what was their point? F$%^ these guys, and F&%@ Reverend Darryl Gaddy too. I don't feel sorry for them in the least damn bit. They're killing people for sport, nothing more.

[Zacha341]

YES. Precisely!

They're killing people for sport, nothing more.

[getmoore]

"that is absolutely crazy," said reverend darryl gaddy with victory fellowship community church.
"it's a matter of survival for them. Many of them are living alone and many of them have been turned out to the streets. They don't have places to go. They don't have food to eat. So they're trying to survive."

so they murder innocent people because they're hungry? They had his jacket, what was their point? F$%^ these guys, and f&%@ reverend darryl gaddy too. I don't feel sorry for them in the least damn bit. They're killing people for sport, nothing more.

exactly!!!!!!!!

[cman710]

For a good book on crime fighting, I would suggest Don't Shoot, by David Kennedy. While the crime-fighting approach in this book has many elements that are beyond the scope of a short Forum post, one basis for the approach taken was that research demonstrated that it is often a small number of repeat offfenders who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. So I would not be surprised if most of Detroit's worst crimes are committed by a relatively small number of people.

[Honky Tonk]

For a good book on crime fighting, I would suggest Don't Shoot, by David Kennedy. While the crime-fighting approach in this book has many elements that are beyond the scope of a short Forum most, one basis for the approach taken that research demonstrated that it is often a small number of repeat offfenders who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. So I would not be surprised if most of Detroit's worst crimes are committed by a relatively small number of people.

Good point! Tell that to the dead kid.

[Danny]

Brothers killing brothers in the ghettos of Detroit is almost an everyday thing. To most uneducated young black males in Detroit, they don't know how to grow up and become men because they have little or no father, mentor figure to train them.

[ordinary]

For a good book on crime fighting, I would suggest Don't Shoot, by David Kennedy. While the crime-fighting approach in this book has many elements that are beyond the scope of a short Forum post, one basis for the approach taken was that research demonstrated that it is often a small number of repeat offfenders who are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime. So I would not be surprised if most of Detroit's worst crimes are committed by a relatively small number of people.

I heard him [[David Kennedy) being interviewed on Fresh Air. I went out and bought the book. He also stated that most of the people involved with the gangs and such would like to get the hell out of it. Have any of his methods been tried in Detroit?

[Wesley Mouch]

I heard him [[David Kennedy) being interviewed on Fresh Air. I went out and bought the book. He also stated that most of the people involved with the gangs and such would like to get the hell out of it. Have any of his methods been tried in Detroit?

Here's a brief description of his ideas from The New Yorker.

I noted that his approach requires the police to have the discretion to deliver 'punishment [[that would be) would be swift and severe and target the entire gang'.

Very interesting ideas that deserve consideration.

[rb336]

there are so many disenfranchised young men in this city, so many kids that don't expect to live much past twenty, what do you expect?

[Crumbled_pavement]

there are so many disenfranchised young men in this city, so many kids that don't expect to live much past twenty, what do you expect?

I expect them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop feeling sorry for themselves. I used to have to walk to school 15 miles, both ways, in knee deep snow with no shoes. I worked three jobs in between doing that, took care of three younger brothers, did chores around the house, played on the hockey team, and helped an old lady across the street. I did all of this and still maintained a 4.0 gpa, because I did not sit around all day feeling sorry for myself.

It wasn't easy coming out of the slums eating nothing but a can of pork and beans everyday for breakfast, but it was only my responsibility in life to do something worthwhile for myself. There is NO excuse ever for anyone to not be able to do what I did. Any kid that thinks they have it hard in the city needs to be shipped off to a bootcamp in a third world country somewhere so they can see what having it hard is really about. The city is filled with crybaby creampuffs!

[softailrider]

I expect them to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and stop feeling sorry for themselves. I used to have to walk to school 15 miles, both ways, in knee deep snow with no shoes. I worked three jobs in between doing that, took care of three younger brothers, did chores around the house, played on the hockey team, and helped an old lady across the street. I did all of this and still maintained a 4.0 gpa, because I did not sit around all day feeling sorry for myself.

It wasn't easy coming out of the slums eating nothing but a can of pork and beans everyday for breakfast, but it was only my responsibility in life to do something worthwhile for myself. There is NO excuse ever for anyone to not be able to do what I did. Any kid that thinks they have it hard in the city needs to be shipped off to a bootcamp in a third world country somewhere so they can see what having it hard is really about. The city is filled with crybaby creampuffs!

That first paragraph is a joke, isn't it?

[old guy]

That first paragraph is a joke, isn't it?

I'm kind of hoping both paragraphs are.

[Richard]

I used to have to walk to school 15 miles, both ways, in knee deep snow with no shoes.

You forgot about the part of it being uphill.


But this is why the strike teams are in the city,because of the few terrorizing the majority .

[Johnnny5]

I have no doubt that a large number of robbery related murders are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. That's the reason that I am always glad to hear when an unharmed, yet armed law abiding Detroiter takes out one of these scumbags. Not only are they defending themselves, but they are saving an unknown number of would be victims in the future.

[Bham1982]

Until we get serious about gun control, on a national level, we will have this.

Unfortunately, few seem to care about spilled blood, particularly when it's young African American males. Though if you look at our elected "leaders" they don't even care if it's little school kids in Connecticut, so maybe there's no hope whatsoever.

[jt1]

Until we get serious about gun control, on a national level, we will have this.

Unfortunately, few seem to care about spilled blood, particularly when it's young African American males. Though if you look at our elected "leaders" they don't even care if it's little school kids in Connecticut, so maybe there's no hope whatsoever.

I hate when I have to agree so much with Bham1982

[Wesley Mouch]

Until we get serious about gun control, on a national level, we will have this.

Unfortunately, few seem to care about spilled blood, particularly when it's young African American males. Though if you look at our elected "leaders" they don't even care if it's little school kids in Connecticut, so maybe there's no hope whatsoever.

Our priorities are wrong.

If we want to reduce gun violence, we need to both reduce the number of guns, educate our youth, provide economic growth, and good public safety.

1) Reduce guns: Get off the eliminate guns bandwagon and push through a reasonable middle ground. Some control is politically acceptable to the majority.

2) Stop fighting Education reform: Detroit fights education reform because it threatens Unions and the status quo. Stop caring about these things and let experimentation flow. Make Detroit the incubator of a thousand new ideas on education. [[Hint: that's not the DPS)

3) Stop fighting the EFM: You want jobs? Its possible. You want to spend your time fighting on behalf of Unions to protect their above-average gains? You can do that. Your choice. Stop supporting those fighting to keep your tax money behind the cloak of democracy. Perhaps there's a good historical argument about white oppression -- but good luck winning that fight. Stop it and get to work on jobs.

4) Let Police innovate: Hold them to high standards, but let them do their job -- so long as they don't profile. If they see someone suspicious -- someone loitering at a drug corner wearing drug attire, they'd talk to them. Work the beat. Work hard. Be fair. Follow the rules. And get the guns off the street. NYPD is doing a better job on gun control than the Democratic party and the ACLU. And they're doing it without racial profiling under strict oversight. S&F is not racial in any way. But do expect that in a mostly black city with mostly black criminals that 90% of stops will be black. And expect that a very small percentage will be arrested. But also expect that a ton of guns will be confiscated, a ton of outstanding warrants will be executed, and that drug-running criminals will start leaving their guns at home.

Of you can fight school, city, and police reforms because in 1/2 of 1% of the cases the reforms aren't perfect.

Your choice. You've been making the wrong choices for years. Stop it.

[Ltdave]

Until we get serious about gun control, on a national level, we will have this.

Unfortunately, few seem to care about spilled blood, particularly when it's young African American males. Though if you look at our elected "leaders" they don't even care if it's little school kids in Connecticut, so maybe there's no hope whatsoever.

youre smoking dope...

look at Chicago. the most stringent gun laws of ANY CITY IN AMERICA and for the past couple of years its had the HIGHEST NUMBER OF Homicides...

it aint the gun...

[Honky Tonk]

youre smoking dope...

look at Chicago. the most stringent gun laws of ANY CITY IN AMERICA and for the past couple of years its had the HIGHEST NUMBER OF Homicides...

it aint the gun...

Not only isn't it the gun, how do you plan on confiscating every handgun and rifle-like weapon people own? I know fanatics that not only own an arsenal of weapons, but have cases of ammunition. Do you plan on conducting paramilitary house to house search and seizures?

[Bham1982]

Not only isn't it the gun, how do you plan on confiscating every handgun and rifle-like weapon people own? I know fanatics that not only own an arsenal of weapons, but have cases of ammunition. Do you plan on conducting paramilitary house to house search and seizures?

I don't understand the question. Because tougher gun laws won't eliminate every single illegal gun in existence, they won't have an effect? That sounds like kind of a non-argument, that could be extended to every law on the books.

I mean, why fight to regulate chemical weapons or nuclear weapons? Why fight terrorism? What's the point? There will always be some rouge dictator with a secret stash, or crazy guy willing to kill himself, so better to do nothing, and forget any attempts at nonproliferation or mitigating tragedy?

Why even have police, or laws? There will always be someone doing something bad, right?

[Honky Tonk]

I don't understand the question. Because tougher gun laws won't eliminate every single illegal gun in existence, they won't have an effect? That sounds like kind of a non-argument, that could be extended to every law on the books.

I mean, why fight to regulate chemical weapons or nuclear weapons? Why fight terrorism? What's the point? There will always be some rouge dictator with a secret stash, or crazy guy willing to kill himself, so better to do nothing, and forget any attempts at nonproliferation or mitigating tragedy?

Why even have police, or laws? There will always be someone doing something bad, right?

Apples and oranges, my favorite mix.

[Wesley Mouch]

Not only isn't it the gun, how do you plan on confiscating every handgun and rifle-like weapon people own? I know fanatics that not only own an arsenal of weapons, but have cases of ammunition. Do you plan on conducting paramilitary house to house search and seizures?

The focus on 'gun control' presumes a simple answer to the problem. Democrats love the issue. Its divisive. But they won't address real solutions like S&F. Again, its politics. Real solutions are possible. But not while the left and right squabble over politics.

Allow reasonable limits on guns. [[Cue screams from right.)

-and-

Allow reasonable searches of suspicious persons to reduce illegal guns on the street. [[Cue screams from left.)

[Honky Tonk]

The focus on 'gun control' presumes a simple answer to the problem. Democrats love the issue. Its divisive. But they won't address real solutions like S&F. Again, its politics. Real solutions are possible. But not while the left and right squabble over politics.

Allow reasonable limits on guns. [[Cue screams from right.)

-and-

Allow reasonable searches of suspicious persons to reduce illegal guns on the street. [[Cue screams from left.)

I agree with your statement, and agree on tighter regulations for acquisition of weapons, and a limit on types of weaponry that can be owned. I just seriously doubt that @ the height of the gun plague, a simple vaccination is going to cure it.