Malik Shabazz sends box of Oreos to Orr, Bing & Brown....

**bailey** · April-01-13, 02:45 PM

Meanwhile, activist Malik Shabazz sought to present Oreo cookies to Orr, Bing and council President Pro Tem Gary Brown at City Hall on Monday, saying the cookies are "black on the outside, white on the inside…. You don't do anything to hurt the majority population of our city."

This is April Fools' Day and we have gifts," he said, adding Brown was included in the cookie stunt because he's a "quarterback" for Gov. Rick Snyder.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2PF3acemy

I wonder what the level of outrage would be around here if Brooksie sent Malik a box of "nigger toes" one april fool's day. It's not racist, they're brazil nuts....it's just a joke. Right Malik?

**TKshreve** · April-01-13, 02:49 PM

Who cares?

**bailey** · April-01-13, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by TKshreve

Who cares?

I would think a lot of people. I would think in 2013 in Detroit this level of overt racism would be roundly and loudly criticized and Malik would be furiously issuing retractions and apologizing to "all those he may have offended" as the media, his followers, those he claims to speak for, and his financial backers would be demanding he do so.

**Detroitnerd** · April-01-13, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

I would think a lot of people. I would think in 2013 in Detroit this level of overt racism would be roundly and loudly criticized and Malik would be furiously issuing retractions and apologizing to "all those he may have offended" as the media, his followers, those he claims to speak for, and his financial backers would be demanding he do so.

To me, overt racism is a klansman beating up and lynching somebody. Please don't dilute the power of the word "racism" by applying it to every discussion of race.

**bailey** · April-01-13, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

To me, overt racism is a klansman beating up and lynching somebody. Please don't dilute the power of the word "racism" by applying it to every discussion of race.

Don't be ridiculous.

Overt,

Adjective- Done or shown openly; plainly or readily apparent, not secret or hidden.

Malik Shabazz is an overt [[and it would seem, unrepentant) racist. It's a simple statement of fact.

**Detroitnerd** · April-01-13, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

Don't be ridiculous.
Overt,
Adjective- Done or shown openly; plainly or readily apparent, not secret or hidden.
Malik Shabazz is an overt [[and it would seem, unrepentant) racist. It's a simple statement of fact.

Leaving Shabazz out of this, I'm just going to repeat the point to you in a slightly different way, hoping you will understand.

Have you ever heard that calling somebody a Nazi because they told you to go to bed has a way of diluting the horror of what the Nazis did?

Similarly, when you cry "OVERT RACISM" when somebody is handing out cookies as a stupid publicity stunt, you devalue the actual overt racism that is widely practiced in and an integral part of the history of the United States.

Please make a note of it.

**Zacha341** · April-02-13, 08:10 AM

The iconographic pointy-head klan groups 'literally' lynching is less of a daily issue or outworking of overt racism, white applied to black. Racism occurring now is from a far more generic form of white supremacy; diffused and usually absent of bed sheets and bonfires!

They don't just hold up in one political party either...

And then there's black supremacy out there too... but that has never had quite the head wind of white supremacy as a world view, where applied, IMO...

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

To me, overt racism is a klansman beating up and lynching somebody. Please don't dilute the power of the word "racism" by applying it to every discussion of race.

**iheartthed** · April-01-13, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by TKshreve

Who cares?

I know, right?

**TexasT** · April-01-13, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by bailey

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2PF3acemy

I wonder what the level of outrage would be around here if Brooksie sent Malik a box of "nigger toes" one april fool's day. It's not racist, they're brazil nuts....it's just a joke. Right Malik?

Serious question - does he actually have followers or a church or anything like that?

I was in line in front of him when he went to testify at City Council for the Belle Isle lease issue. He was quite nice in person.

I don't like the term "Uncle Tom," but I find the term "Oreo" to be way more insulting, personally.

**firstandten** · April-01-13, 03:31 PM

What a juvenile stunt from someone who doesn't like the solution but has no alternative solution to offer.

I may not like the men that he sent the cookies to but until Mr. Shabazz can come up with something that works, then these stunts mean nothing to me

**TKshreve** · April-01-13, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by firstandten

What a juvenile stunt from someone who doesn't like the solution but has no alternative solution to offer.

And this is the crux of the argument in my opinion. I have yet to see any realistic solutions proposed to the EM situation by the people decrying the idea of one. Talk about deck chairs on the Titanic.

And in this case, I "dont care" because this guy doesn't need any attention whatsoever. And his little cookie stunt is designed to incite arguments instead of solutions. He's an idiot, and deserves no attention at all.

**Richard** · April-01-13, 04:40 PM

What kind of person brings Oreos but no milk.

**gnome** · April-01-13, 04:44 PM

Trying to clean up racism here is like brushing your teeth while eating Oreos.

heck kids, it is a shabazzian joke. Laugh it off and move on. You folks are too serious about everything. It is April 1st.

and, by the way, who doesn't like Oreos? Crunchy and creamy and real pleasure when teamed with a tall glass of whole milk. Not skim. Not 2%. The real stuff.

would you guys get upset if someone gave you some Oreos? Really?

**TexasT** · April-01-13, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

Trying to clean up racism here is like brushing your teeth while eating Oreos.

heck kids, it is a shabazzian joke. Laugh it off and move on. You folks are too serious about everything. It is April 1st.

and, by the way, who doesn't like Oreos? Crunchy and creamy and real pleasure when teamed with a tall glass of whole milk. Not skim. Not 2%. The real stuff.

would you guys get upset if someone gave you some Oreos? Really?

I was wondering if they ate them. I would [[with skim milk).

**iheartthed** · April-01-13, 05:18 PM

...so the point of this thread is that LBP can't send Malik Shabazz a box of candy with a racist name lest he be called racist? So this really isn't about Malik Shabazz, it's about LBP's right to be racist...?

Shollin · April-01-13, 05:19 PM

I find it ironic that Detroitnerd who thinks all white people living in the suburbs are racists, cannot find anything racist when it involves a black person being racist.

**Gannon** · April-01-13, 05:59 PM

That is the problem with assigning your own meaning to words, instead of accepting the common usage. I know, the dictionary is forced upon those with interesting pigmentation by the white man, whatever.

Here is the dictionary.com definition of racism.

rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] noun

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human race determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Origin: 1865–70; < French racisme. See race2 , -ism

World English Dictionary— n
1. the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
2. abusive or aggressive behaviour towards members of another race on the basis of such a belief

The difference I prefer to adhere to is a matter of degree, a capital-R for the institutional/generational version and a small-r for that exercised by individuals. But you can clearly see that this definition allows any race of individual well able to perpetrate this evil, as well as groups of them doing it over time and written into by-laws, laws, and rules. I'd even go as far as to include that within various races, when stratified by degree of darkness.

Cheers, lets get on with the discussion then...

**Wesley Mouch** · April-01-13, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

I find it ironic that every time I mention race, you show up like a yapping little dog and spout the same inaccurate bullshit you always do about race, racism, and what I believe. Fuck off, Shollin...

Hey, what about me? Just because I'm trying to avoid making the obvious statement about your obsession with race, doesn't mean I don't want your affection, ahmmm, attention.

**Detroitnerd** · April-02-13, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Hey, what about me? Just because I'm trying to avoid making the obvious statement about your obsession with race, doesn't mean I don't want your affection, ahmmm, attention.

Ha! Well, you know me. I'm pretty free with my opinions, know they're often minority opinions, and really don't mind tangling all that much, because it often forces me to clarify my thoughts. At least you, Wes, haven't made it your personal campaign to follow me around a-yappin'.

Maybe I don't say it enough, but I appreciate those who post here, and generally respect those whose disagreements with me seem genuine. You guys are a smart bunch, for the most part.

**Hypestyles** · April-01-13, 05:49 PM

we'll see what happens. I wonder what the first major announcement from Orr will be on decisions made, and what departments he can or cannot consolidate or change service delivery methods..

**brizee** · April-01-13, 06:53 PM

If the shoe fits...

And it most definitely seems to fit Bing and Brown.

**Scottathew** · April-01-13, 07:01 PM

So being a part of the solution instead of the status quo makes them white on the inside?

Seems racist to suggest that only white people can be part of the solution.

**iheartthed** · April-01-13, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by 48091

So being a part of the solution instead of the status quo makes them white on the inside?

Seems racist to suggest that only white people can be part of the solution.

Do you honestly think most people who are vehemently opposing an EM think that he is the solution?

**aj3647** · April-01-13, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Do you honestly think most people who are vehemently opposing an EM think that he is the solution?

The problem with the people who vehemently oppose an EM is that they offer no solutions. At least not realistic ones. Hence why Detroit now has an EM.

For all of Malik Shabazz's inflammatory rhetoric [[literally inflammatory, as he advocated that Detroiters "burn down the city" rather than accept an EM), I don't hear him offering a solution.

**iheartthed** · April-01-13, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by aj3647

The problem with the people who vehemently oppose an EM is that they offer no solutions. At least not realistic ones. Hence why Detroit now has an EM.

For all of Malik Shabazz's inflammatory rhetoric [[literally inflammatory, as he advocated that Detroiters "burn down the city" rather than accept an EM), I don't hear him offering a solution.

We're not having a discussion about whether or not an EM is the right option. This is about the people who oppose an EM, and whether they themselves believe its the best option to fix Detroit. 48091's reasoning seems to be that Bing and Orr are being called oreos because they were doing what is right for the city -- not because others have a fundamental disagreement about what is right for the city. I was just wondering if I am interpreting him correctly? That anyone who opposes the EM must not have the city's best interest at heart?