Jesse Jackson calls for 'mass' demonstration against EFM

**Det_ard** · March-25-13, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

WWJ just now reported about 100.

Wow, it's a fast growing movement! 40 in the morning, 100 in the afternoon, add in the folks on the bus to Cleveland and you have the makings of a blip.

**Gannon** · March-25-13, 06:15 PM

Drove by @ 10:30, there might've been twenty-five people there.

Heard that by eleven, NO MORE than fifty people showed up. That was from a bird's-eye view in the middle of the street crud floors of One Woodward.

Channel Four just reported a 'few dozen' showed.

What a rush. Though it was going to be a ruckus...

**syrett4** · March-25-13, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cliffy

Average Detroiters don't care anymore about this stuff. They just want their street lights on and police to respond.

This. +1

I have to drive the Lodge out to Southfield every morning and it is jaw dropping how poorly lit the city is.

**poobert** · March-25-13, 08:53 PM

Sheesh, go on active duty for a couple months and Jackson comes to Detroit and Rodman goes to North Korea. That's it, I can't leave you kids alone anymore.

**noise** · March-25-13, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by p69rrh51

I chatted with a well known former DPD Police Chief yesterday and his comment was what the hell is Jackson doing here. Does anyone really listen to Jackson anymore?

I chatted with a little-known former washroom attendant and he was thrilled that Jackson was here.

Who cares?

**313WX** · March-25-13, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by syrett4

This. +1

I have to drive the Lodge out to Southfield every morning and it is jaw dropping how poorly lit the city is.

If you think that's bad, try driving I-94 on the eastside everyday.

**jcole** · March-25-13, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Det_ard

Wow, it's a fast growing movement! 40 in the morning, 100 in the afternoon, add in the folks on the bus to Cleveland and you have the makings of a blip.

And their plan was to make a human chain around CAY to block the EFM from getting to work. What made them think that the man didn't start work until 11 a.m. AND that 100 people would be able to wrap their arms around the CAY?

**Det_ard** · March-25-13, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by jcole

And their plan was to make a human chain around CAY to block the EFM from getting to work. What made them think that the man didn't start work until 11 a.m.

The fact that most of the protesters don't get up until then, much less have a job.

AND that 100 people would be able to wrap their arms around the CAY?

Numbers, be they "story problems" or financial figures clearly aren't their strong suit.

**Zacha341** · March-25-13, 11:14 PM

Maybe they were planing to block his exit for lunch...?

Originally Posted by jcole

And their plan was to make a human chain around CAY to block the EFM from getting to work. What made them think that the man didn't start work until 11 a.m. AND that 100 people would be able to wrap their arms around the CAY?

**Honky Tonk** · March-26-13, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Maybe they were planing to block his exit for lunch...?

WORSE then that, block Papa John's from bringing him a samich!

**Brian1979** · March-26-13, 05:03 AM

What the hell business is it of Jesse Jackson's to be in Detroit protesting this? Seriously, the guy is a freaking civil rights leader, this has nothing to do with civil rights. Detroit is in bad shape and obviously people like Dave Bing have done an awful job of running Detroit, starting with Coleman Young and going all the way now to Dave Bing this city here has lacked professional leadership ever since. The only mayor of Detroit that I ever thought had his head on right and was actually trying to make Detroit a better place was Dennis Archer, outside of him everyone has been awful since Coleman. Jesse Jackson needs to go back home, he has no business being here protesting this.

**DetroitPlanner** · March-26-13, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

WWJ just now reported about 100.

From my perch it looked to be about 2 dozen.

**bailey** · March-26-13, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by jcole

And their plan was to make a human chain around CAY to block the EFM from getting to work. What made them think that the man didn't start work until 11 a.m. AND that 100 people would be able to wrap their arms around the CAY?

That made me laugh... what was even more funny is that he was at work at 7. I wonder when the last time half those folk saw 7 am let alone begin work at that time.

**Honky Tonk** · March-26-13, 09:29 AM

Maybe Mr. Jackson would care to toss a couple of Cleveland's into the hat towards the purchase of some police cars and ambulances?

**rb336** · March-26-13, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Brian1979

What the hell business is it of Jesse Jackson's to be in Detroit protesting this? Seriously, the guy is a freaking civil rights leader, this has nothing to do with civil rights.

yes, it does. in many ways. first, it usurps the citizens of the right to self-governance. second, the legislature did an end-around of a voter-created amendment to the state constitution.

even though I believe it is needed because the City Council has done nothing to help the city, I hate the idea of it

**bailey** · March-26-13, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

yes, it does. in many ways. first, it usurps the citizens of the right to self-governance. second, the legislature did an end-around of a voter-created amendment to the state constitution.

even though I believe it is needed because the City Council has done nothing to help the city, I hate the idea of it

well, the citizens of the State will have a chance to speak to that "end around" in the coming elections. Won't they? Ken Cockerell summed it up perfectly:

"The city of Detroit by far is the largest city in the state of Michigan. We also have the largest concentration of voters. But you know what the problem is? Most of those registered voters don't go to the polls. They don't vote," Cockrel said. "There is absolutely no reason that the city of Detroit doesn't hand-pick a governor every four years."

It would only be a usurpation if there was no recourse. Each and everything about this entire situation can be overturned by electing candidates that will do it. First step would be not sit out in non presidential election years.

**rb336** · March-26-13, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by bailey

It would only be a usurpation if there was no recourse. Each and everything about this entire situation can be overturned by electing candidates that will do it. First step would be not sit out in non presidential election years.

um, it is STILL a usurpation. the ability to overturn the decision does nothing to negate the fact

**Zug** · March-26-13, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Gannon

...so those who see us white folk as a single unit cannot be faulted, but for some of us no matter what we say or do we get lumped together with the worst of those who share our lack of interesting pigmentation.

I just couldn't let this pass unnoticed. "Those who share our lack of interesting pigmentation" is the most colorful description of a white person I may have ever seen, lol.

Anyway...on topic. In general, I do not think there's a mass outcry and demonstrations because what are people demostrating against...having elected officials power taken away. However, Detroit's voter turnout was 22.7% of registered voters in 2009 when the mayor & city council was elected [[http://www.detroitmi.gov/Portals/0/d...20COMBINED.PDF). I'm sure many don't care that people they didn't vote for are being superseded by someone else they didn't vote for. Plus, it's not even like the mayor and city council are that popular.

The best analogy I can give is this: it's like Detroiters are children given the choice between 1. staying with biological parents that say they love them but can't feed them and abandon them for days at a time [[city politicians) or 2. going with an adoptive parent that says he will feed them and take care of them, but was never a parent before and never had a real background check [[EFM).

Neither choice is "wrong" per se. But when a city neglects its citizen's needs, it's a little tough to expect "mass protest" to keep the status quo.

p.s. I'm not calling Detroiters children in need of coddling. That was meant purely as an analogy.

**bailey** · March-26-13, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

um, it is STILL a usurpation. the ability to overturn the decision does nothing to negate the fact

What exactly happened that was not part of the democratic process? A law was enacted. The "people" were convinced to repeal that law. They did NOT amend the Constitution. Prop 1 was a referendum on the law, not an amendment to the constitution. ANOTHER law was drafted that was/is different than the law repealed by the voter referendum and was lawfully passed and enacted. It will stand until it is either shown to be unconstitutional or is repealed.

**Wesley Mouch** · March-26-13, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

um, it is STILL a usurpation. the ability to overturn the decision does nothing to negate the fact

What right is it exactly that is being 'usurped'? There is no unfettered right to make your own local decisions. You can elect Marion Berry, but he can be removed from office. You can pass voting poll taxes in Alabama to keep blacks from voting, but your power to do so can bu 'usurped' by the voting rights act. You can spend more money than you have, but your right to spend will be 'usurped' by an empty wallet.

Having said all that, I actually do see that the EFM is a tool of those in power. They don't want bankruptcy, so they stretch the rules a bit to avoid what really should happen -- payless paydays for bondholders and workers.

Kudos to whatever brilliant PR operative created this idea that EM/EFM is anti-democratic. Totally untrue. But so many people blindly buy into it because it fits their viewpoint.

All local decisions are subject to reality.

**mikeinmotown** · March-26-13, 11:58 AM

Jesse Jackson is an ass hole. No one takes this man serious. His son and possible daughter in law are headed for jail. Operation Push is nothing more than a fund to pay his expenses.

**Ray1936** · March-26-13, 12:39 PM

Y'know, I've always been more concerned about my Civil Responsibilities than I have been about my Civil Rights. Guess that makes me some kind of nut, I suppose.

**jerrytimes** · March-30-13, 11:00 AM

Maybe Jesse Jackson could make himself useful and ask of there is anything that he could do to help? It's funny that he's saying that Detroiters civil rights are beig violated, yet he's tying to stop a black man from going to work! Really!??!

**RapBrown** · March-30-13, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by jerrytimes

Maybe Jesse Jackson could make himself useful and ask of there is anything that he could do to help? It's funny that he's saying that Detroiters civil rights are beig violated, yet he's tying to stop a black man from going to work! Really!??!

"I'm not equating local anti-EM demonstrations with the civil-rights movements of the '60s, the truth is, King, Parks and their colleagues in protest were almost always greeted in much the same way that the Freep column greets those who are vocally opposing the undemocratic imposition of emergency managers on their cities — with disdain and a sincere wish that they would go away and find better things to do."

Darrel Dawsey

**Wesley Mouch** · March-30-13, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by RapBrown

"I'm not equating local anti-EM demonstrations with the civil-rights movements of the '60s, the truth is, King, Parks and their colleagues in protest were almost always greeted in much the same way that the Freep column greets those who are vocally opposing the undemocratic imposition of emergency managers on their cities — with disdain and a sincere wish that they would go away and find better things to do."

Darrel Dawsey

I don't get it, Rap. Do you think the media 'disdain' excuses 'protest without purpose'?