Rachel Maddow, Come to Detroit Petition!

**fanniemae** · March-17-13, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

Yep, regardless of how you feel about the way she presents stuff, no one can ever dispute her facts.

Maddow's a Rhodes Scholar while Hannity is a high school graduate. That's all you need to know to see who has it more right than wrong.

I don't care if Maddow has an IQ of 180. I absolutely loathe her and her show. Very one sided person.

**EastsideAl** · March-17-13, 02:53 AM

I like Rachel Maddow and her show a lot. Certainly more than other MSNBC hosts like Lawrence O'Donnell or [[aagh!) Ed Schultz. Those who complain that her show is "one-sided" obviously don't understand what she is employed to do. Hers is a commentary program, not straight news, and neither she nor anyone else at MSNBC pretends otherwise. However, unlike the screaming crowd over on Fox, she explains quite a lot about the background to issues and what it is about them that interests her and should interest her audience. She doesn't waste time bringing people on her show to shout at them in some kind of macho yelling beat-down like Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.

Having said that though, I do think that Rachel's work on Detroit and Michigan sometimes shows a lack of background in our local history and conditions. For instance, like a lot of Detroiters I am apprehensive about the imposition of a highly-empowered outside financial manager, but I find the stories that Rachel has done about the situation to be a little "off" in their understanding of our situation in Detroit and Michigan. So, I agree with the original poster that her work regarding our city could really benefit from her either spending some time here or doing a little more in depth background work.

**Hermod** · March-17-13, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by louis

of course! Detroit is broken because of liberals in the same way that Alabama is full of incest and poor people because of republican! it all makes sense now! and did you know that leafs are green because their the trees' favorite color? seriously, please stop using this argument. It is one of the dumbest I have ever heard.

Alabama is better off now under Repbulicans than it was in a hundred years under Democrats [[Patterson, Folsom, Wallace). Detroit is worse off now under Democrats than it was under Republicans [[Cobo).

**fanniemae** · March-17-13, 07:44 AM

Still don't like her. She never gives the " other side" a chance to explain a different viewpoint. I don't like one sided news. So I avoid MSNBC when I can.

**313WX** · March-17-13, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by fanniemae

Still don't like her. She never gives the " other side" a chance to explain a different viewpoint. I don't like one sided news. So I avoid MSNBC when I can.

I doubt she's crying over you not watching her.

**fanniemae** · March-17-13, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by 313WX

I doubt she's crying over you not watching her.

I don't give a rip what she thinks.

**Chinman** · March-17-13, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by fanniemae

Still don't like her. She never gives the " other side" a chance to explain a different viewpoint. I don't like one sided news. So I avoid MSNBC when I can.

she has always asked conservatives to come one her show and bring the facts that the use to prove their point. hardly any will because they know they will lose the debate. she does not shout down dissent, only ask's you to have facts to debate with. o'riely yells over his guests, limbaugh only incites with stupid rhetoric to keep his show on the air.

**Chinman** · March-17-13, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chinman

she has always asked conservatives to come one her show and bring the facts that the use to prove their point. hardly any will because they know they will lose the debate. she does not shout down dissent, only ask's you to have facts to debate with. o'riely yells over his guests, limbaugh only incites with stupid rhetoric to keep his show on the air.

i used to watch her show every night, every other day, she had asked for a response and has offered a chance for anyone to come on her show to discuss the points. they never did.

**Patrick** · March-17-13, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mikeg

Let's just say that Ms. Maddow is entitled to her own opinions, but it's been proven that they aren't always factual.

Come on man...Outside the Beltway?

**Jimaz** · March-17-13, 04:13 PM

Folks should decide for themselves.

Here's a sample of Rachel Maddow's Show: Naomi Klein on The Rachel Maddow Show.

**Wheels** · March-17-13, 04:35 PM

If you Google the "C" word you will get a description of Rachel Maddow!

**downtownguy** · March-17-13, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Wheels

If you Google the "C" word you will get a description of Rachel Maddow!

Thanks for raising the level of debate.

**Jimaz** · March-17-13, 08:03 PM

I didn't realize how much attention she devotes to Detroit until I searched YouTube for Maddow Detroit.

Here's a recent one: Michigan gives up on democracy - The Rachel Maddow Show [[March 1st, 2013).

Perhaps an Emergency Manager undermining the democratically-elected authority of Governor SneakySnyder would be equally constructive/destructive? I mean really: Who's in charge anymore anywhere if not The People?

**Jimaz** · March-17-13, 08:46 PM

Here's a more recent one: Maddow Talks Detroit: Emergency Managers, Gerrymandering, and the End of Democracy.

You know it's growing legs when it begins to foster future videos: Dumbocracy - Illegal Detroit Emergency Manager.

Okay, now I understand why so many opponents suddenly came out of the woodwork against her.

Where can I sign that petition again?

**fanniemae** · March-17-13, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Here's a more recent one: Maddow Talks Detroit: Emergency Managers, Gerrymandering, and the End of Democracy.

Okay, now I understand why so many opponents suddenly came out of the woodwork against her.

Where can I sign that petition again?

Gotta love that sneaky Snyder. He finds a way to get his agenda going. Hope he runs for POTUS. Just kidding. I bet Maddow talks in her sleep. Not that I want to know what she says. She does get wound up. Does anyone get a word in edgewise on her show? Oh well. For those of you that want her here. Go ahead. Ask her. I won't be in attendance.

**Zug** · March-17-13, 09:25 PM

I think she presents things very well. I'm liberal-leaning, so of course I would think so. As with any commentator, you can find things here & there that are incorrect or misleading, but I don't think it nullifies the 95-99% that is based on direct evidence. Evidence can be interpreted in many ways, and she chooses a liberal interpretation.

**KarmicCurse** · March-19-13, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Jason

That was when Democrats were the conservative party.

The Republican party was formed after the previous liberal party split over the issue of slavery, and the Republicans, the more liberal part of that party, won. Part of the new party was called the "radical republicans" because of how far to the left they were.

Then there were changes within the parties during the 30s, and the Democratic party became the liberal party, and the Republicans the conservative one. Then over the years as the Democratic party embraced civil rights, white southerners left the part and joined the republicans, and the remaining "rockefeller republicans" from the north east generally became democrats.

So the south has pretty much always been conservative and the north has always been liberal.

But anyway, even though politicians and the government have a big influence on places, everyone agrees that Detroit has had bad leadership for a long time. You're not going to find many democrats who think the leadership in detroit is good or represents their beliefs.

Excellent post! Amazing how few people realize the parties have switched sides. Whenever I see McCain or his like say they're proud to be part of the party of Lincoln or TR I think to myself that if Lincoln could see the Republican party today he'd pull that hat down over his face. I like Rachel, her show is mostly low-key and didactic. I will say that some of the other guys on MSNBC are quite polemic. But nothing compared to the right-wing media horror.

**subsidized** · March-19-13, 12:03 PM

MSNBC is a garbage network, and according to this recent study, is even more biased than FauxNews.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0....html?ir=Media

While Maddow is one of the more fact based anchors on the network. Her coming to Detroit to do live shows will do absolutely nothing for the city and I doubt the shows producers could resist showing more blight and "ruin porn" than positive things happening in the city. Hell, even the link Jimaz posted where Maddow talks EM they used the last minute to show blighted homes.

**Zug** · March-19-13, 12:53 PM

I hate that so much on news channels is opinion-based nowadays. It's fine in small doses...like I watch Maddow on MSNBC fairly regularly, and that's about it. However, as liberal as I may be, I cannot justify watching every left wing commentator talk about the same topics for an entire day. Sometimes I just want good old fashioned reporting.

Sadly, this trend has also become common in sports. Watch SportsCenter, and half the show is talking to "experts" about their opinions of sports news. "What do you think about LeBron James' tweet?" C'mon...seriously? Or turn on ESPN when First Take is on, and listen to two blowhards talk about Tim Tebow for 2 years.

I understand that debate and opinion brings on stronger emotions when watching a channel...and therefore captures an audience for longer. However, it gets overused.

Just like the excessive use of "tickers" scrolling news is overdone. And the term "breaking news" or "news alert" has lost all meaning nowadays. It's all done to capture attention. Unfortunately, it does result in higher ratings than actual news....

**artds** · March-19-13, 01:27 PM

When Maddow brings up Detroit, I doubt she's talking about Campus Martius or the downtown in general. How about a broadcast from Warren and Outer drive instead?

**swingline** · March-19-13, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by EastsideAl

I like Rachel Maddow and her show a lot. Certainly more than other MSNBC hosts like Lawrence O'Donnell or [[aagh!) Ed Schultz. Those who complain that her show is "one-sided" obviously don't understand what she is employed to do. Hers is a commentary program, not straight news, and neither she nor anyone else at MSNBC pretends otherwise. However, unlike the screaming crowd over on Fox, she explains quite a lot about the background to issues and what it is about them that interests her and should interest her audience. She doesn't waste time bringing people on her show to shout at them in some kind of macho yelling beat-down like Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.

Having said that though, I do think that Rachel's work on Detroit and Michigan sometimes shows a lack of background in our local history and conditions. For instance, like a lot of Detroiters I am apprehensive about the imposition of a highly-empowered outside financial manager, but I find the stories that Rachel has done about the situation to be a little "off" in their understanding of our situation in Detroit and Michigan. So, I agree with the original poster that her work regarding our city could really benefit from her either spending some time here or doing a little more in depth background work.

Agree with Al's post 100%. Ms. Maddow and her producers have pretty much dropped the ball when it comes to exploring any kind of nuance with the emergency manager issue. It's been knee jerk complain about anti-democracy. There's a lot more to the issue and she has disappointed in that she seems not to recognize this.

And by the way, for posters who equate her with Limbaugh on the right, there is no equivalency at all. Ms. Maddow regularly interviews conservatives, respects their principled views and generally has no problem with debate. Limbaugh, not so much.

**Jimaz** · March-19-13, 06:32 PM

The Rachel Maddow Show

**mam2009** · March-19-13, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by louis

of course! Detroit is broken because of liberals in the same way that Alabama is full of incest and poor people because of republican! it all makes sense now! and did you know that leafs are green because their the trees' favorite color? seriously, please stop using this argument. It is one of the dumbest I have ever heard.

Why doesn't DYes! have its own version of a ”Like” button yet??? Some people really have a way with words!