I knew the suburbs were racist!

[dcmorrison12]

http://freep.com/article/20090702/NE...c+intimidation

See! All the suburbs are racist! If you ain't white and christian, then get out!

[[I hope you see the actual message I'm sending...)

[Gsgeorge]

This is a stupid thread subject on so many levels. Can't wait for the shitstorm to start on this one. DC, I get your sarcasm, but is this really necessary other than to just start another vicious thread about racism? I am sure there are better ways to utilize Lowell's pixels.

[dcmorrison12]

I feel it is necessary, Detroiters are plastered with labels constantly, so I figured I'd insert a little humor to the mix

[Thames]

This is a stupid thread subject on so many levels. Can't wait for the shitstorm to start on this one. DC, I get your sarcasm, but is this really necessary other than to just start another vicious thread about racism? I am sure there are better ways to utilize Lowell's pixels.

I feel it is necessary, Detroiters are plastered with labels constantly, so I figured I'd insert a little humor to the mix

Still waiting for the humor.

[Gistok]

What's funny is that someone doesn't know the difference between racism and ethnic intimidation.

The news item only mentions that one of the 2 people was Jewish. It says nothing about the race of either person.

One would guess that both people were white... which if this is indeed the case... does not constitute racism.

[iheartthed]

What's funny is that someone doesn't know the difference between racism and ethnic intimidation.

The news item only mentions that one of the 2 people was Jewish. It says nothing about the race of either person.

One would guess that both people were white... which if this is indeed the case... does not constitute racism.

I guess that's the downside of Jews becoming "white".

[WolverinesA2]

I guess that's the downside of Jews becoming "white".

How can a "religion" become a race? There are white Jews. There are also black Jews [[Ethiopian Jews) and olive-skinned Jews and Jews of many other colors and ethnicities.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. The Jewish victim here is most likely white. There is no racism involved. It's antisemitism, not racism.

[stnfrnt]

Everybody's equal...........in the end it all comes out the same.

[Retroit]

I suspect dcmorrison12 knows that Judaism is not a race. He just likes to stir the pot with inflammatory rhetoric every now and then. But I'm finding the Jesus/Jewish topic interesting.

Jesus most likely had the same skin color as most Middle Easterners living today, which I would describe as "white", and certainly not "black". The Africanization of Jesus is nothing more than racist ignorance by those who believe that Jesus must have the "proper" skin color in order to be worshiped. What a shame! Take, for example, St. Cecelia Church on Livernois in Detroit. It used to have a painting of a "white" Jesus on the wall behind the altar, but that wasn't good enough, apparently, so he was painted over into a black man. How racist can you get? "If Jesus isn't my skin color, how can I worship Him?"

[gibran]

First of all there is but one race of people...the HUMAN RACE....secondly whether you believe in evolution or creationism...we are traced back to a small number of people who migrated all over the world. I read once that we can be traced back through DNA to 5000 people...whether that is remotely true..it has tremendous implications...

the myth of being "favored or chosen" is debunked with an easy test..are we all not equal in G-d's eyes?

Race was a classification system that leads to separation and segregation, allocation of resources...while we all can be proud of ethnic and cultural heritage when we use against other we get the worst in people.


prejudice is one of the original sins that hasn't been erased by humanity and compassion...this is the fourth of July ..let's all try to realize that our country is stronger because of it's diversity..we are a tapestry not a white washed canvas.

[jt1]

You state:

Jesus most likely had the same skin color as most Middle Easterners living today.

Then claim people believeing he may have been another color is racist?[/quote]

So what is worse - taking your assumptions [[most likely) and claiming that anyone that disagress is racist or people believing that they worship someone who may have looked like them.

If your lord/con-man is white in your opinion [[with no historical fact) what is wrnog with others seeing their lord/con-man as black [[with no historical fact).

Calling people racist because they perceive a historical figure from 2000 years ago as a different color is sheer stupidity.

[Atwater]

How can a "religion" become a race? There are white Jews. There are also black Jews [[Ethiopian Jews) and olive-skinned Jews and Jews of many other colors and ethnicities.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. The Jewish victim here is most likely white. There is no racism involved. It's antisemitism, not racism.

I suspect dcmorrison12 knows that Judaism is not a race. He just likes to stir the pot with inflammatory rhetoric every now and then. But I'm finding the Jesus/Jewish topic interesting.

Jesus most likely had the same skin color as most Middle Easterners living today, which I would describe as "white", and certainly not "black".

WolverinesA2, and Retroit, there's more to it than that. Judaism is indeed a religion, but the Jews are foremost an ethnicity, and secondly, adherents of the Jewish religion. It can be a confusing topic, but if you understand the history, it makes sense.

Originally, the Jews were an ethnic group, a nation, with their own nation-state [[Israel/Judaea), their own language [[Hebrew), and their own culture/religion [[Judaism). Their foremost identity was that of a people- not just of adherents of a religion.

After the Roman-Jewish wars, they lost their nation-state [[which became Roman territory, then Arab, then Crusader, then Turkish, then British, and today is the focus of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict), and due to that and other factors, a slight shift occurred, with the Jews coming to be seen less as a separate nation with their own culture/religion, and more as adherents of a religion. The result is this slightly confusing situation. Adding to the confusion is that anyone of any ethnicity can convert to Judaism, the religion.

Forget about the word "race", because it's incredibly misleading and problematic. But if you think "ethnicity", and consider "racism" to be discrimination based on ethnicity, then, yes, Jews can be the victims of racism. And in reality, it's seemed to me that most people who dislike Jews dislike them more on ethnic grounds than religious ones anyway.

Of course, as was discussed above, today, the Jews aren't even just a singular ethnicity anymore but are really now a collection of mostly related ethnicities [[Ashkenazi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc), almost all descended from the same original ancient ethnic group but now slightly different.

As for Jesus, yes, he did most likely have the same skin color as most Middle Easterners today, but I wouldn't describe that as "white". The Jews weren't "white", or "black", but more olive-skinned, and would have been clearly distinguishable from northern Europeans.

Lastly, regarding black Jews, some such groups descend from ancient Jews who ended up in Africa and intermixed with ethnic Africans, and other groups were completely ethnic African groups who converted en masse to Judaism. Genetic analysis points to Ethiopian Jews being of the latter case.

[mjs]

I was at the DIA today looking at the white Jesus at the last supper thinking how some say he must have been dark skinned because he lived in the middle east. Then it struck me. The guy was born a Jew and I haven't met too many dark skinned Jews. But, then another think struck me. How did a ethnicity that originated near Palestine and Syria, get pulled into Egypt, then go back to the region of Palestine and Syria look nothing like Palestinians, Syrians, or Egyptians or even like Greeks and Italians? Am I missing some piece of history?

[iheartthed]

I was at the DIA today looking at the white Jesus at the last supper thinking how some say he must have been dark skinned because he lived in the middle east. Then it struck me. The guy was born a Jew and I haven't met too many dark skinned Jews. But, then another think struck me. How did a ethnicity that originated near Palestine and Syria, get pulled into Egypt, then go back to the region of Palestine and Syria look nothing like Palestinians, Syrians, or Egyptians or even like Greeks and Italians? Am I missing some piece of history?

Go to Ethiopia. Plenty of dark skinned Jews there...

[Gistok]

Go to Ethiopia. Plenty of dark skinned Jews there...

Exactly.... and then Google the terms Sephardic Jew and Ashkenazi Jew for more skin tone variations....

[mjs]

I did not know that. So, did they emigrate from Egypt to Ethiopia and does Sudan have dark skinned Jews as well? Are white Jews white because they were pushed out of the middle east and mixed with Northern Europeans in the early BC years?

[mjs]

Thanks for the search terms. They lead me to this which helps alot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jews1490.png

[MIRepublic]

Are white Jews white because they were pushed out of the middle east and mixed with Northern Europeans in the early BC years?

Isn't that kind of obvious? I mean, look at the Jews who managed to escape the diaspora, or at least able to maintain a continued residence in the Middle East, at least, and then look at those who were pushed/pressured to Europe and then note how long those in Europe stayed there until the middle of the last century.

[Atwater]

I was at the DIA today looking at the white Jesus at the last supper thinking how some say he must have been dark skinned because he lived in the middle east. Then it struck me. The guy was born a Jew and I haven't met too many dark skinned Jews. But, then another think struck me. How did a ethnicity that originated near Palestine and Syria, get pulled into Egypt, then go back to the region of Palestine and Syria look nothing like Palestinians, Syrians, or Egyptians or even like Greeks and Italians? Am I missing some piece of history?

I did not know that. So, did they emigrate from Egypt to Ethiopia and does Sudan have dark skinned Jews as well? Are white Jews white because they were pushed out of the middle east and mixed with Northern Europeans in the early BC years?

The Jews of ancient Israel indeed looked Mediterranean, as their geography would suggest. Jesus would have had olive-colored skin, so not the "white" skin of Europeans, but also not "dark skin" [[unless by "dark skin" you meant olive).

The way that the majority of Jews came to have "white" skin was because after the Jewish-Roman Wars- which ended Jewish rule of Judaea/Israel- Jews were spread throughout the Roman Empire, and eventually various communities coalesced in various regions. One particular community was the Jews whose likely route was Israel->Italy->France [[roughly speaking), and who, by about 1,000 years ago, were concentrated in the French/German border area. These Jews were called Ashkenazi Jews, and they slowly migrated east, into Germany, and eventually into Eastern Europe, even into Russia. Sometime during that long journey, there was intermixing between these ethnic Jews, whose background was ancient Israel, and ethnic Europeans. That's how that community of Jews came to have "white" skin, and occasionally blond hair [[though, on the whole, most Ashkenazi Jews do have darker hair and distinct features, and genetic studies have shown that the majority of the Ashkenazi gene pool is from the Middle East). This group of Jews was relatively minor, until it underwent a massive population expansion in the last few hundred years, coinciding with population decreases amongst other groups of Jews [[many of whom had retained their Mediterranean looks), causing Ashkenazi Jews to become the majority of the world's Jews. Most American Jews are Ashkenazi, so chances are most Jews you've ever met/seen/heard of are Ashkenazi [["white").

[rb336]

Go to Ethiopia. Plenty of dark skinned Jews there...

just an interesting side note:

a group did some DNA of various Cohen groups [[if i'm not mistaken, I think that was originally a priestly clan) in various parts of the world and found the same genetic mutation [[not present in other Jewish populations) in every Cohen population - black, white, asiatic, etc.

[DetroitDad]

The religion is bogus, in the sense that many small changes and edits were made to help the religion fit in, and in many cases, control a people.

I prefer not to read too much into a king's version of anything that happened, personally.

[Downtown diva]

The religion is bogus, in the sense that many small changes and edits were made to help the religion fit in, and in many cases, control a people.

I prefer not to read too much into a king's version of anything that happened, personally.

the jewish religion is bogus Sean?

really?

How so?

[jerrytimes]

Last week at hockey a guy called me 'guido'. I am Italian. Should I call the cops? j/k

[bigjimhp]

The Jews mentioned in the old testament are not the the so called jews of today, you can add time and so called DNA twist the facts, misrepresent the truth, Jesus was a dark[[olive) skinned moor[[modern day black), made in the Creators image as was the original man, not mankind. This explains why the Black[[moor) womans origin can't be explained, the moorish man only to say he comes from her, why the Moor has every element on Earth in their body. The Brown Yellow and Black people are the original Moors and owners of the Earth. History is told from a Eurocentric view. Europeans have not been on Earth for a thousand years, anthropology doesn't support this.

[rb336]

The Jews mentioned in the old testament are not the the so called jews of today, you can add time and so called DNA twist the facts, misrepresent the truth, Jesus was a dark[[olive) skinned moor[[modern day black), made in the Creators image as was the original man, not mankind. This explains why the Black[[moor) womans origin can't be explained, the moorish man only to say he comes from her, why the Moor has every element on Earth in their body. The Brown Yellow and Black people are the original Moors and owners of the Earth. History is told from a Eurocentric view. Europeans have not been on Earth for a thousand years, anthropology doesn't support this.

yes, it does. any "centric" view is bound to be wrong. the semitic peoples of 2000 to 4000 bce were largely the same as the semitic peoples living today. LOTS of archaeology and forensic science supports that. don't know what crackpot pseudo-science source gave you your BS