The Great Wealth Robbery

[oladub]

So in a nutshell:

The Dems are to blame for bringing about a change in the status quo regarding healthcare. They did this under dubious legality, and therefore they should not meddle in health care reform because of this. Furthermore, anything remotely close to a single-payer system is not viable, because if California can't manage it, then no one can [[except Iceland, Canada, and other numerous, unmentioned progressive countries). The Dems, and only the Dems per your comment, are forever beholden to their corporate donors, therefore we will never see a reliable and effective healthcare solution. Ever.

That's a lot of finger pointing by you, without any sense of a solution within your comment. No mention of the other side of the aisle, who have stymied and obfuscated every inch of the way during the conversation and implementation of healthcare reform. If you're not part of the solution, you're.......

You won't get any pushback from me regarding corporate involvement in this tired, almost defunct debate regarding healthcare reform. Meanwhile, the same issues fester. I suppose you must then be an advocate of how healthcare was formulated before the passing of the ACA? I'm just assuming though, because your viewpoint is like a brick of swiss cheese. Care to pick a side? Or should we all sit back in awe of your 20/20 hindsight and your ability to nitpick those who are trying to deal with the issue.

The ACA was not perfect. I get it. We get it. What it was, was an attempt to further the almost dead conversation through action. After giving in to GOP demands [[held hostage through necessary votes), we ended up with a pretty big piece of mangled garbage that became immediate fodder for the GOP to continue their finger wagging. I'm noticing a trend here too.

I respondied to your comment in post #82, "the time had passed for the GOP to offer into the conversation anything at all on how to fix our healthcare system. I remember them being silent and steadfast, as their corporate donors were assisting them with re-elections" pointing out that Republicans are not alone in being responsible for our corporate rip off medical system. I didn't start this. I was responding to your comment. So knock off the comments about me finger pointing when I was responding to your finger pointing.

I didn't say California "couldn't manage" a single payer system. I said they botched their attempt with yet more corporate involvement and wondered at the lack of single payer plans found in any deep blue state for all the happy talk. MA at least had Romneycare. In fact, I mildly supported the Canadian provinces' single payer plans and roughly suggested a way any state could do the same. My being open to state run single payer plans [[You need to reread my second paragraph in post#83.) is not a Republican position although it satisfies the Constitution.

"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."-
Sources: Speech, "A Politics of Conscience," June 23, 2007

No, the [[un)"ACA was not perfect". It was passed being underfunded and passed with lies. Everyone could keep their own doctor and it was supposed to save the typical American family $2,500 annually in health insurance. Without more and more transfusions of tax dollars and flourishes with his executive power magic pen, The [[un)ACA would have collapsed under Obama. Wellpoint has probably done ok with it though. It is a classic example of corporatism; the collusion of big government and big corporations. That's the polite term. Again, I was suggesting that it would make more sense for any state, presumably a deep blue state, to adopt a single payer plan similar to those of any Canadian province than to keep floating what you referred to as a "not perfect" "big piece of mangled garbage" while finger pointing Republicans for its imperfections.