40% less crime would do wonders for Detroit

[oladub]

Anyone want to take a stab at what combination of carrot and stick incentives to apply to Detroit's fatherless feral youth to significantly reduce crime? All measures would have to be both legal and constitutional. Where does the money come from to do all of this? What could be done on existing budgets?

[Honky Tonk]

This is Standard Operating Procedure for the DPD? Sounds like BS. Do you have the officer's name or badge number who he allegedly spoke to? Did your friend report it to Fox news what the DPD did?

If the DPD is not at least writing up reports [[if their response times are so slow), why is the crime rate so high in Detroit? In order to report a high crime rate in this city, you have to be at least writing up reports of the crimes. They don't have Compstat in Detroit like NYC to disencourage officers from writing up reports.

From the article which he could back up, the officer uncovered that the NYPD wasn't writing up reports and when they did they were reporting most of them as a minor crimes--which is one of the reasons why NYC has seen such large drops in major crime rates.

Wow, caught me. I made the whole thing up. [[rolls eyes) Would you like to see the $200 bill for replacing the rear window? You've obviously lived in Detroit for a while and have made and dealt with police reports before. Let me see, a dumb move by leaving the item exposed, more salt in the wound from the DPD, now let's add the icing to the cake, by pointing that out on local TV. Have you ever called FOX News, Dave? Do you honestly think they chase down every story everyone has? There's even more, but I'll spare you my fairy tales.

They don't have Compstat in Detroit like NYC to disencourage officers from writing up reports.

True, but they do have laziness and lack of concern.

[davewindsor]

Wow, caught me. I made the whole thing up. [[rolls eyes) Would you like to see the $200 bill for replacing the rear window? You've obviously lived in Detroit for a while and have made and dealt with police reports before. Let me see, a dumb move by leaving the item exposed, more salt in the wound from the DPD, now let's add the icing to the cake, by pointing that out on local TV. Have you ever called FOX News, Dave? Do you honestly think they chase down every story everyone has? There's even more, but I'll spare you my fairy tales.

They don't have Compstat in Detroit like NYC to disencourage officers from writing up reports.

True, but they do have laziness and lack of concern.

Yes, I would like to see the $200 bill for replacing the window, know the name of this fictional vehicle owner and the license plate number of the perps' vehicle because this story on the DPD's Standard Operating Procedure doesn't add up.

Yes, I think Fox news would chase this story down because the victim witnessed the crime, saw the perps do it, got their plate numbers down and when the victim called the DPD they refused to even write up a report because of DPD's "laziness" and "lack of concern".

[Honky Tonk]

Yes, I would like to see the $200 bill for replacing the window, know the name of this fictional vehicle owner and the license plate number of the perps' vehicle because this story on the DPD's Standard Operating Procedure doesn't add up.

Yes, I think Fox news would chase this story down because the victim witnessed the crime, saw the perps do it, got their plate numbers down and when the victim called the DPD they refused to even write up a report because of DPD's "laziness" and "lack of concern".

Tell you what Dave, PM me your name, address, and e-mail, and after I check with my friend whether or not they'd like their personal information revealed, I'll be happy to provide that. Because you know damn well that isn't going to happen, you get to play king of the hill on this post. I'll be watching my Notifications and waiting. Oh, by the way, go back, and carefully re-read everything, and point out WHERE I said no police report was taken. TTY soon, big guy.

[davewindsor]

Oh, by the way, go back, and carefully re-read everything, and point out WHERE I said no police report was taken.

What you said was you're "willing to bet this is S.O.P." with the DPD.

Then you said your friend's window was smashed, the contents were removed and your friend got their license plate # and called the DPD and the DPDs first question was, "Do you have the serial # of the item? No, well we can't help you".

We can't help you sounds like that was the end of the conversation with the DPD and no report was taken.

Now, if you're saying the DPD did write up a report, gave an occurrence number and it seemed like they never arrested the culprits, then I'm not taking an issue with your story as I already know the DPD is overwhelmed with other crimes from career criminals who are processed through a revolving door justice system.

The point is the DPD is not hiding this crime data from the public; they are at least honest about the city being unsafe and crime ridden. On the other hand, the NYPD is refusing to file reports, if not downgrading them to a minor crime, to hide them from Compstat, which is a major factor in why it appears they have a drastic reduction in their major crime rates and prison rates. The NYPD is lying about how safe their city really is. The S.O.P of the NYPD is not the S.O.P of the DPD.

Maybe it's safe in Manhattan, which is a country club for people with million dollar closets that pushed the poor and career criminals out into surrounding areas, but once you get into those outer areas of the city it's as unsafe as this city if not more so. The NYPD is just lying to the public that it isn't. The NYPD model is not a good model for the DPD to follow. Like I said in another post, the DPD and State of Michigan should follow the LA model and three strikes' law.

[Honky Tonk]

What you said was you're "willing to bet this is S.O.P." with the DPD.

Then you said your friend's window was smashed, the contents were removed and your friend got their license plate # and called the DPD and the DPDs first question was, "Do you have the serial # of the item? No, well we can't help you".

We can't help you sounds like that was the end of the conversation with the DPD and no report was taken.

Now, if you're saying the DPD did write up a report, gave an occurrence number and it seemed like they never arrested the culprits, then I'm not taking an issue with your story as I already know the DPD is overwhelmed with other crimes from career criminals who are processed through a revolving door justice system.

The point is the DPD is not hiding this crime data from the public; they are at least honest about the city being unsafe and crime ridden. On the other hand, the NYPD is refusing to file reports, if not downgrading them to a minor crime, to hide them from Compstat, which is a major factor in why it appears they have a drastic reduction in their major crime rates and prison rates. The NYPD is lying about how safe their city really is. The S.O.P of the NYPD is not the S.O.P of the DPD.

Maybe it's safe in Manhattan, which is a country club for people with million dollar closets that pushed the poor and career criminals out into surrounding areas, but once you get into those outer areas of the city it's as unsafe as this city if not more so. The NYPD is just lying to the public that it isn't. The NYPD model is not a good model for the DPD to follow. Like I said in another post, the DPD and State of Michigan should follow the LA model and three strikes' law.

No offense, Dave, but I don't really care whether or not you take issue with my story. I am going to tell you DPD story #2, the one that started me thinking about the real world of Detroit. Where I lived, there was the usual Detroit street crime occurring. We started a "Safety Committee", and sent out survey to the residents asking who was a victim of crime, and whether or not you filed a police, [[DPD), report and where. We got 9 surveys back answering YES, so and so happened, and a police report was filed. Out of the 9 filings, the DPD could only pull up 3. Their answer was there must not have been reports filed. The residents swore statements were taken, and reports filed. Could they be lying? Of course. But knowing the people like I did, I don't think so. I have no idea why this happens, or for what reason, but based on what I've seen, I'm convinced it does. Call me out, ask for the names and SS#'s of the people that filed these reports, do what ever you'd like to make yourself feel better or bigger. If you think for a minute this City is being run by textbook rules, I think you're deluding yourself and really hoping that it is.

[Wesley Mouch]

...<snip>...The point is the DPD is not hiding this crime data from the public; they are at least honest about the city being unsafe and crime ridden. On the other hand, the NYPD is refusing to file reports, if not downgrading them to a minor crime, to hide them from Compstat, which is a major factor in why it appears they have a drastic reduction in their major crime rates and prison rates. The NYPD is lying about how safe their city really is. The S.O.P of the NYPD is not the S.O.P of the DPD.

Maybe it's safe in Manhattan, which is a country club for people with million dollar closets that pushed the poor and career criminals out into surrounding areas, but once you get into those outer areas of the city it's as unsafe as this city if not more so. The NYPD is just lying to the public that it isn't. The NYPD model is not a good model for the DPD to follow. Like I said in another post, the DPD and State of Michigan should follow the LA model and three strikes' law.

From http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/bronx/crime/ and http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/detroit/crime/

Detroit is in the 2nd percentile of safe cities [[w/ 100% being the best). The Bronx is at the 20th percentile. Detroit odds, 1 in 46 of being a victim. Bronx odds, 1 in 91. Not great, but better. btw, the Bronx population is about 1.4m. I don't think your dislike for NYPD holds us in crime stats anyway.

Sure, NYPD has had problems with crime stats and working to the test. Everyone does. But in their worse borough, they're doing much better than Detroit.

[Richard]

The FBI [[flagged keyword) crime data is established by the reports received by the different cities so it would reflect what one would want it to reflect,would it not?

[davewindsor]

The FBI [[flagged keyword) crime data is established by the reports received by the different cities so it would reflect what one would want it to reflect,would it not?

Are you telling this to me or Wesley? The FBI crime data would only be as reliable as the data given to it by the NYPD as their precincts would be policing their own respective areas and deciding whether to write up a report or not and what to file the incident as and that data is what would be forwarded to the FBI.

[davewindsor]

You should listen to some of the interviews with NY police officer Adrian Schoolcraft. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/play_full.php?play=414 Go to 32mins. Officer Schoolcraft interviewed NYPD Detective, Herbert Hernandez of the 33rd precinct. The detective picked up a serial rapist named Daryl Thomas involved in first degree rape. He admitted getting picked up for 8 other rapes in the area and was let go and the detective or the public was never notified there was a serial rapist in the area. He drove around the area with the suspect and the suspect pointed out where they happened and the detective looked it up and the crimes were downgraded as minor offenses such as criminal trespass. NYPD went out their way to cover it up for Compstat.

[Richard]

Just bits of information.

What confuses me a bit about Detroit is the whole definition of Home Invasion.

What I am used to is Home Invasion which is classed a felony,consists of home owners are in the house and the door gets kicked in ,a serious felony at that.

It seems and I may be mistaken a unoccupied burglary in Detroit ,which is a misdemeanor where I am at is considered a Home Invasion in Detroit.

Which would actually push the felony verses misdemeanor statistics up not on par with many other states. Different classes of felonies and misdemeanor ,so if that is the case the numbers would also be fudged a bit there also.