Would Detroit benefit from the formation of militias?

[dmike76]

I agree with trotwood. Not a good solution. What I can't figure out is why the Michigan State Police don't have a larger presence in there? I'm not educated on what it takes in terms of juris diction, but boosting DPD with MSP would be huge in my opinion.

[ArmDetroit]

What I can't figure out is why the Michigan State Police don't have a larger presence in there? I'm not educated on what it takes in terms of juris diction, but boosting DPD with MSP would be huge in my opinion.

From the chamber of city council - "White whores won't save us"

Do the state police qualify as "white whores"? If so I doubt some Detroiters would want them paroling the neighborhoods, even if it would help deter crime.

[canuck]

From the chamber of city council - "White whores won't save us"

Do the state police qualify as "white whores"? If so I doubt some Detroiters would want them paroling the neighborhoods, even if it would help deter crime.

Funny, whole hoods are now on parole.

[Danny]

Detroit benefit with a formation of community policing and National Guards in every ghetto hood. This would turn Detroit from a Beirut-Baghdad brawl into a safe and secure city.

[Detroitnerd]

... I doubt some Detroiters would want them paroling the neighborhoods, even if it would help deter crime.

When you bring in outside law enforcement, especially in a region like this, chances are the officers will not understand the people they're policing, and some of them will even see them as second-class citizens they can run roughshod over. Conversely and because of that, citizens won't trust the police or communicate with them. And most people in law enforcement understand that, and that's likely a major factor in why staties don't patrol Detroit.

Or look at it the other way. Would the residents of, say, Howell, like to have the Detroit Police Department patrolling their streets? How effective would that be?

[ArmDetroit]

When you bring in outside law enforcement, especially in a region like this, chances are the officers will not understand the people they're policing, and some of them will even see them as second-class citizens they can run roughshod over. Conversely and because of that, citizens won't trust the police or communicate with them. And most people in law enforcement understand that, and that's likely a major factor in why staties don't patrol Detroit.

Or look at it the other way. Would the residents of, say, Howell, like to have the Detroit Police Department patrolling their streets? How effective would that be?

It seems to me that the lack of trust the citizens feel toward police has been going on since at least the 50's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't fear/lack of trust towards the police what sparked the 67' riots? Isn't that same fear/lack of trust still going on to this day with the ghetto policy of the streets "no snitchin"?

Your idea is nice and considerate to the feelings of the same citizens that are killing each other in mass numbers. Who cares if they like it or not. Something needs to be done and I'm sure the law abiding, tax paying citizens, such as myself. would welcome a stronger MSP presence around town.

Detroit officers patrolling Howell would be ridiculous, you're right. Although you seem to be forgetting that the City of Detroit is in the State of Michigan.

[Detroitnerd]

It seems to me that the lack of trust the citizens feel toward police has been going on since at least the 50's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't fear/lack of trust towards the police what sparked the 67' riots? Isn't that same fear/lack of trust still going on to this day with the ghetto policy of the streets "no snitchin"?

Well, not really. First of all, you have to understand that, right up until the mid-1970s, the Detroit police force was an overwhelmingly white organization with extremely racist views. One local academic called the DPD "an institution of white power." Think of what that meant to blacks in Detroit. You couldn't get a fair shake, so why would you trust the police? As for 1967, white police went charging into an after-hours party celebrating the return of two Vietnam veterans. So you have these cops, who have earned all the goodwill of the Ku Klux Klan, charging into a party for returning heroes, and trying to arrest all 82 people.

Would police have gone charging into an Elks club in Dearborn at 4 a.m. and demanded to arrest everybody there celebrating the return of Vietnam vets?

See, this is some of the history that gets conveniently forgotten when we resort to mythology instead of actual history to describe the past and inform our politics.

Who cares if they like it or not. Something needs to be done and I'm sure the law abiding, tax paying citizens, such as myself. would welcome a stronger MSP presence around town.

Oh, there's a little matter called the Constitution and democracy. I know it's really easy to propose suspending those things for other people, people who maybe don't have as much economic power as folks like you, but what if the shoe were on the other foot? Ben Franklin himself once said that he who would trade liberty for some temporary security deserves neither. So, I'd say you are definitely outside the mainstream of democratic American thought to propose that trade for others.

[Honky Tonk]

What I can't figure out is why the Michigan State Police don't have a larger presence in there?

Please see "City Council\Consent Agreement Meetings". Another good source is "City Council\Belle Isle\State Park Meetings".

[trotwood]

What I can't figure out is why the Michigan State Police don't have a larger presence in there? I'm not educated on what it takes in terms of juris diction, but boosting DPD with MSP would be huge in my opinion.

This has baffled me too.