Franken is In

[rb336]

Coleman concedes after a unanimous MN SC decision

http://www.rollcall.com/news/36389-1.html

[Pam]

Yay! Finally. Congrats Sen. Franken.

[ccbatson]

Just in time for...reelection campaigning.

[mjs]

This means the Senate now has 60 Democrats. That is enough to break a Republican filibuster. I'm just stating a fact for anyone that doesn't know why Franken's victory matters.

[Detroitej72]

Just in time for...reelection campaigning.

Why start so early? He still has 5-1/2 years until the next election.

[ccbatson]

A really bad thing for the country MJS.

[Lorax]

Superb news- if Coleman had ceded the race months ago, he would have saved the RNC 11 million bucks, but as we know, wasting money is a hallmark of the RNC, and they have plenty of it.

[4real]

Cool, another nutcase democrat to screw things up more.
Elected by the vote stealing liars at ACORN.

[Lorax]

Cool, another nutcase democrat to screw things up more.
Elected by the vote stealing liars at ACORN.

LOL!!

ACORN? Grow up. How exactly does ACORN steal votes? LOL!!!

[Detroitej72]

LOL!!

ACORN? Grow up. How exactly does ACORN steal votes? LOL!!!

Its been obvious that 4real is a troll looking for the attention they crave, its best to ignore said individual, as to pay them homage is to satisfy their craving .

[d.mcc]

Liberalism wagers that a state... can be strong but constrained – strong because constrained... Rights to education and other requirements for human development and security aim to advance the opportunity and personal dignity of minorities and to promote a creative and productive society. To guarantee those rights, liberals have supported a wider social and economic role for the state, counterbalanced by more robust guarantees of civil liberties and a wider social system of checks and balances anchored in an independent press and pluralistic society. - Paul Starr, sociologist at Princeton University, The New Republic, March 2007

Go get em Al...Lead the entire democratic caucus in a daily affirmation!

And a big shout out to my favorite Legislator...GO BERNIE!

[oladub]

[quote=d.mcc;39710]Liberalism wagers that a state... can be strong but constrained – strong because constrained... Rights to education and other requirements for human development and security aim to advance the opportunity and personal dignity of minorities and to promote a creative and productive society. To guarantee those rights, liberals have supported a wider social and economic role for the state, counterbalanced by more robust guarantees of civil liberties and a - Paul Starr, sociologist at Princeton University, The New Republic, March 2007 quote]

Detroit has voted for liberals for many years. No wonder it became "a creative and productive society" but what's the garbledegook about "wider social system of checks and balances anchored in an independent press and pluralistic society." Is that like 'fair speech' legislation? He is correct though about liberals having supported a wider social and economic role for the state. The same could be said of Bush and neocons. It didn't work for them either.

Lorax, I don't think that the Supreme Court elected Bush. Gore's lawyers got pretty silly trying to determine the intent of scratches on selected ballots in selected counties. Al Gore didn't become President but he created a precident. Coleman was equally disgusting in his attempt litigate a victory. If the 2000 election was stolen it was because blacks were systematically not allowed to vote in other Florida counties. Ohio electronic ballot counting was the issue four years later but I don't see a concerted drive coming from either party to require paper ballots. Paper ballots are required and work just fine in Canada.

[ejames01]

At least 4real doesn't start as many threads as some of those jerks [[craigd, steelers) that were on the old forum.

Its been obvious that 4real is a troll looking for the attention they crave, its best to ignore said individual, as to pay them homage is to satisfy their craving .

[Jimaz]

Attachment 2138
The horrors!

[oladub]

Minnesota's newly elected Senator Franken

Coleman was disgusting in the way he tried to litigate a victory for himself a la Al Gore. Minnesotans had no Senator to even represent them on mundane issues like farming and highway money because of Coleman's ego. Both of these guys were so bad that an independent candidate received 15% of the Senate vote. A real clown replaced a neoclown.

Democrats have 60% but thats including Bernie Sanders, Lieberman, a half dozen blue dog Democrats, the absence of Ted Kennedy, Feingold being a maverick once a year, and Senator Byrd who has been in and out of hospitals.

[reddog289]

All I can say is Franken is a jokester.

[maxx]

All I can say is Franken is a jokester.

He's a cum laude graduate of Harvard. Reagan, who the right has practically canonized, was a B movie actor. And Al won't be consulting any astrologers.

[Lorax]

Minnesota's newly elected Senator Franken

Coleman was disgusting in the way he tried to litigate a victory for himself a la Al Gore. Minnesotans had no Senator to even represent them on mundane issues like farming and highway money because of Coleman's ego. Both of these guys were so bad that an independent candidate received 15% of the Senate vote. A real clown replaced a neoclown.

Democrats have 60% but thats including Bernie Sanders, Lieberman, a half dozen blue dog Democrats, the absence of Ted Kennedy, Feingold being a maverick once a year, and Senator Byrd who has been in and out of hospitals.

I would agree with your assessment of Coleman, and the 11 million wasted by the RNC on such a futile action. They have plenty of money, though, to waste, so it's theirs to do so.

However, Gore quit at the right time, eventhough we know the elections of 2000 and 2004 were both stolen.

The supreme court in it's brief on Bush v. Gore stated that this determination was NOT to be considered precedent, and was NOT to be referenced in any future elections, and would have no bearing, ramifications, or implications in any future presidential election.

Good going, Supreme Court, you appointed our first Imperial President.

[jiminnm]

"The supreme court in it's brief on Bush v. Gore stated that this determination was NOT to be considered precedent, and was NOT to be referenced in any future elections, and would have no bearing, ramifications, or implications in any future presidential election. "

Lorax, have you even read the SupCt decision? I suggest you do, because then you'll have a better understanding of what equal protection means. I think you'll have a very difficult finding the language that you cited, because it's not there. FYI, the court decided 7-2 that Florida violated the equal protection clause by not setting standards for what constituted a valid ballot and 5-4 on what the remedy should be for that violation.

Also, the Supreme Court doesn't write briefs - they issue opinions.

[Lorax]

"The supreme court in it's brief on Bush v. Gore stated that this determination was NOT to be considered precedent, and was NOT to be referenced in any future elections, and would have no bearing, ramifications, or implications in any future presidential election. "

Lorax, have you even read the SupCt decision? I suggest you do, because then you'll have a better understanding of what equal protection means. I think you'll have a very difficult finding the language that you cited, because it's not there. FYI, the court decided 7-2 that Florida violated the equal protection clause by not setting standards for what constituted a valid ballot and 5-4 on what the remedy should be for that violation.

Also, the Supreme Court doesn't write briefs - they issue opinions.

I was paraphrasing, sorry if using quotations offended you.

Doesn't change the fact that the SCOTUS ruled on stopping the re-count in Florida. There were in fact irregularities in other states such as Ohio, which proved to be the killing fields four years later with rampant voter fraud supported by Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

Bottom line, the election was stolen, and the SCOTUS de facto appointed Bush president.

[jiminnm]

I was paraphrasing, sorry if using quotations offended you.

Doesn't change the fact that the SCOTUS ruled on stopping the re-count in Florida. There were in fact irregularities in other states such as Ohio, which proved to be the killing fields four years later with rampant voter fraud supported by Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

Bottom line, the election was stolen, and the SCOTUS de facto appointed Bush president.

No Lorax, what I find offensive is that you write lies or things you simply make up as if they were facts, and then base some conclusions on them.

Again, I ask if you've ever read the Bush v. Gore opinion because, if you had, you'd learn something about the real meaning of constitutional equal protection. Also, there is nothing in the opinion that can even be loosely paraphrased into the language you used. Instead of pulling allegations off some other blog, it would be beneficial if you could offer some actual facts. By the way, every post-election analysis of the recounts showed that Bush carried the state.

We're all still waiting for the lawsuits about Ohio voting in 2004. If you have some actual facts, perhaps you should file suit. There are plenty of other folks who believe that there was some sort of voter fraud in Ohio but who, so far, have been unable to offer any actual proof.

[Lorax]

No Lorax, what I find offensive is that you write lies or things you simply make up as if they were facts, and then base some conclusions on them.

Again, I ask if you've ever read the Bush v. Gore opinion because, if you had, you'd learn something about the real meaning of constitutional equal protection. Also, there is nothing in the opinion that can even be loosely paraphrased into the language you used. Instead of pulling allegations off some other blog, it would be beneficial if you could offer some actual facts. By the way, every post-election analysis of the recounts showed that Bush carried the state.

We're all still waiting for the lawsuits about Ohio voting in 2004. If you have some actual facts, perhaps you should file suit. There are plenty of other folks who believe that there was some sort of voter fraud in Ohio but who, so far, have been unable to offer any actual proof.

No, I don't write lies, or make things up. I have read it, and read the summary opinions. You're the one sadly misinformed- I won't go so far as to label you a liar.

The majority opinion announced that the ruling was: "limited to the present circumstances," and could not be cited as precedent. Rhenquist would not even discuss it after the fact, and the Supemes have been completely silent on the issue as well.

But many legal scholars insisted at the time that this assertion was itself dictum — the part of a legal opinion that is nonbinding — and illegitimate, because under the doctrine of stare decisis, courts cannot make rulings whose reasoning applies only to a single case.

The heart of Bush v. Gore’s analysis was its holding that the recount was unacceptable because the standards for vote counting varied from county to county. “Having once granted the right to vote on equal terms,” the court declared, “the state may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”

If this equal protection principle is taken seriously, if it was not just a pretext to put a preferred candidate in the White House, it should mean that states cannot provide some voters better voting machines, shorter lines, or more lenient standards for when their provisional ballots get counted — precisely the system that exists across the country right now.

Sorry, but your so-called "credible" post-election analyses were handled with a right wing agenda.

I was present when a group of buttoned down "Brooks Brothers Brigade" members were intimidating voters approaching polling places. These fascists were turned out in all key counties in Florida, and in Ohio. The Rethuglican ground game was well formed, and did great damage to our process.

There was a great deal more voter fraud in Florida in 2000 than there was in Ohio in 2004.

And to answer your question about "filing suit " in Ohio, perhaps you could do so, since our Democratic efforts have met a stonewall in right wing controlled Ohio politics, i.e. Kenneth Blackwell, and Bob Taft who thankfully are both out of office.

[ccbatson]

Franken won it....Coleman conceded. Time to accept it and move on.

[Blarf]

Franken was a brilliant writer for SNL. I'm not sure if I like his politics though, I'm not familiar with where he stands.

I like his book title though, the one bashing Rush Limbaugh.

[Pam]

Franken was a brilliant writer for SNL. I'm not sure if I like his politics though, I'm not familiar with where he stands.

I like his book title though, the one bashing Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.alfranken.com/content/issues