Shooting in Warrendale

[aprilgirl33]

Since the state of the economy warrants for some officers to be laid off, then maybe a small compromise can be negotiated. Perhaps those left should be allowed to bring their own weaponry. At least make it a fair fight. You certainly can't bring a knife to a gunfight...I'm just saying.

[allaboutthed]

For some interesting reads, check out wxyz's website about the "latest" shooting. These residents are getting pissed and it appears they may take matters into their own hands. And the Clown Squad? WTF???

[Danny]

A black Detroit teenager has turned himself in to police for he maybe involved with the other two shooters at the bus stop. That Detroit black teenager maybe involved in the ghettohood gang war between the "Young Squads" vs the "Clown Sqauds".
The Clown Squads and the Young Squads are new cliques that evolved from The Joy Rds. and the Chi-Towns. So far the Young Squads have claimed Islamic Warrendale and Warrendale. Their territory and continue to spread their tagger of terror to the Dearborn borders and Rouge Park. They first couquered 6 Detroit ghettohood streets from Archdale to Grandmont south of W. Warren Ave.

The Clown sqauds have Tireman St. area near Cody High School. Both new cliques are in a war and shootings will heard in the Warrendale area. A neighborhood watch MUST be organized of you all want these new cliques out of your area.

[barnesfoto]

I'm not sure why people are so shocked, or are looking at this as a "Detroit" problem, as at least once a month in America some strutting little nobody opens fire into a crowd of strangers, and suddenly becomes a somebody.

Does anybody think that it's a bit too easy for thugs to obtain weapons and ammo? Does anybody think gun dealers and owners should pay into an insurance pool that would help the victims of reckless firearm users?

[Bobl]

I'm not sure why people are so shocked, or are looking at this as a "Detroit" problem, as at least once a month in America some strutting little nobody opens fire into a crowd of strangers, and suddenly becomes a somebody.

Does anybody think that it's a bit too easy for thugs to obtain weapons and ammo? Does anybody think gun dealers and owners should pay into an insurance pool that would help the victims of reckless firearm users?

Q1: Yes.
Q2: Whoooooaaaa, you had better take steps to maintain your privacy on this, and other forums. The NRA will be coming after you, for even suggesting that some gun owners are reckless and that there are victims.

[WolverinesA2]

Does anybody think that it's a bit too easy for thugs to obtain weapons and ammo? Does anybody think gun dealers and owners should pay into an insurance pool that would help the victims of reckless firearm users?

No.

Why should I, or anyone else, be punished for someone else's criminal actions? Punish the criminal, leave me alone. The victims can certainly file a civil suit against the men who did this and anyone connected to it and get compensation that way. Collective punishment is not a solution.

[softailrider]

I'm not sure why people are so shocked, or are looking at this as a "Detroit" problem, as at least once a month in America some strutting little nobody opens fire into a crowd of strangers, and suddenly becomes a somebody.

Does anybody think that it's a bit too easy for thugs to obtain weapons and ammo? Does anybody think gun dealers and owners should pay into an insurance pool that would help the victims of reckless firearm users?

No, I don't think so at all. It's not the fault of the gun, dealer or law abiding gun owner. It's 100% the fault of the idiots with the tee shirts pulled over their heads pulling the trigger shooting into a crowd.

[SMRJim]

Cody 9th Grade Academy is supposedly different than Cody 10-12. They broke the 9th grade away from the rest of the students to give more focus to the 9th graders. I heard it isn't working the way they had planned. I think the Academy is housed in a small section of the building, although I am not 100% on this.

I just happened to notice the Cody Academy last weekend while driving down Southfield, a day or two before the shooting happened ironically. It's right on the east side of the Southfield service drive - I think it's just north of Warren if I remember right. It may be associated with the high school, but it's not on the Cody 'campus'.

[Patrick]

Where are all the fathers?

[softailrider]

Where are all the fathers?

They already donated their sperm, was there anything else they were supposed to do?

[aoakley]

I agree with Retroit on Robert Bobb. I don't recall any of the other DPS top leaders doing that recently, it speaks volumes for this man.

[softailrider]

I agree with Retroit on Robert Bobb. I don't recall any of the other DPS top leaders doing that recently, it speaks volumes for this man.

One thing that bothers me about that guy is he's like a moth when the television lights come on, bingo- there he is. He doesn't seem to mind the limelight.

[aoakley]

How much longer can we go without hiring more cops? Where is that invisible line? Kids are shooting kids in the middle of the day at a busy intersection. It seems like that would be it, but its not. Not yet.

[Meddle]

I've been scanning this thread reading posts about needing more Police, blaming the Mayor, etc.

This type of thing is nothing new in Detroit. It's been happening for decades. In the late 60's, when we left Cerveny at the end of the day, it was common to see 7 or 8 four man TSS units parked along Puritan. Several more patrolled Hubbel down to Cooley.

Shootings, knifings and general fights were common at Cooley, Cody, Mumford and to a lesser extent Ford.

The problem is with the parents.

[Linda from Detroit]

I've been scanning this thread reading posts about needing more Police, blaming the Mayor, etc.

This type of thing is nothing new in Detroit. It's been happening for decades. In the late 60's, when we left Cerveny at the end of the day, it was common to see 7 or 8 four man TSS units parked along Puritan. Several more patrolled Hubbel down to Cooley.

Shootings, knifings and general fights were common at Cooley, Cody, Mumford and to a lesser extent Ford.

The problem is with the parents.

You're right. I lived on Strathmoor 2 blocks from Grand River and we got out in 1967. I had to go to Cadillac Middle School and it was horrible. We left before the area was totally gone because I was jumped by a gang a block from home on my way back from school. There were 10 of them [[including males) and I was 13. Thankfully a lady saw what was going on and she didn't just run and hide. Luckily there hadn't been too much damage done to me. I knew the main players...and when prosecuted they got a slap on the wrist. I didn't know it till years later, but the hits on the head caused me to have spinal cord compression which has caused a lot of trouble over the years. I have 3 fusions with plating in my neck, but at least I wasn't shot to death. So, please don't tell me violence in Detroit is anything new-all this happened 42 years ago. Lord, that just made me feel old, lol. The only thing that's changed is there are guns now...the problem is the violent fools that are never held accountable for their actions or their childrens actions.

[vetalalumni]

The problem is with the parents.

Possibly the largest factor, but most certainly not the only one.

[Fnemecek]

I've been scanning this thread reading posts about needing more Police, blaming the Mayor, etc.
...

The problem is with the parents.

Parents who don't raise their off-spring properly are definitely a problem. I mentioned this above, but it bares repeating: as far as I'm concerned, the parents of the 3 individuals involved deserve to have jail cell right next door to their sons.

But first, we need to catch them.

And then requires us to have a functioning police department, which is unfortunately missing in Detroit.

The fact of the matter is that the police exist to protect the rest of society from the result of crappy parenting.

[reddog289]

I havn't been watching the news the last couple of days or read anything yet as far as I know, But what was the real motive behind this?. Big fights and rat packing happen everywhere,But this case firearms were involved. While it is very easy to blame firearms for things like this. I go back to what I what a former co-worker told me when I used to yell at my machines at my printing job." You are the animator of an inanimate object". That took me awhile to get, But I understand now what he ment.
People will always think things will be better if something is removed from society.Be it firearms, alcohol, tobacco, autos, and to extremes as whole races of people whom they don't like.
I happend to be home sick that day and the whole incident did not help the matter.But I hate to say it things like this will go on until something is done with the whole of society.

[Meddle]

Funny thing is that the one cop who actually did something about it and got some results [[John Nichols) was raked over the coals for it. What did the city end up with? William Hart.

[trstar]

so Robert Bobb runs the City now?

No Chief of Police,
No Mayor.
No President of the City Council.
No School Board Superintendent.

Just the emergency financial manager of the Detroit City Schools.

Damn. Talk about a leadership vacuum.

[Meddle]

so Robert Bobb runs the City now?

No Chief of Police,
No Mayor.
No President of the City Council.
No School Board Superintendent.

Just the emergency financial manager of the Detroit City Schools.

Damn. Talk about a leadership vacuum.

Those are politicians, not law enforcement [[yes, even the Chief). There would be no reason for any of them to comment on this or be involved in any way.

Point of contact should be the Precinct Commander.

[trstar]

7 school children shot in a single incident demands SOME response from the leading elected officials. Not the DPS emergency financial manager. Whats next, the assistant DOT shift supervisor will offer free bus rides to the injured students?

[ZRX Doug]

Apples & oranges. Again.
How do you manage to make it through life, with all these horrible companies & people that you don't even know bearing the full responsibility for your personal safety?

Airlines pay off because THEIR actions [[or lack of action) is directly responsible for their passenger's safety. The fact that some asshole uses a gun to shoot you is in no way the fault of ANYONE but the asshole who pulls the trigger.
The gun isn't evil.
The gun manufacturer isn't evil. [[even if it does manage to make profits, something which anti-gunners find abhorrent for some reason.)
Other gun owners who have nothing to do with the event are not evil.

One finger, one trigger, one choice..
One person bears the responsibility for their own action.

When someone punches you in the nose, is your first reaction to blame God [[or perhaps Darwin & the apes) for creating the human fist?

[barnesfoto]

Please post a link to any statements I made concerning evil. In your outburst of emotion, you seem to be simply making things up. [[It's both funny and sad how emotional gun huggers get about weapons and ammo).
Nobody has punched me in the nose for decades, because actually, I am responsible enough to stay an arm's length or more from swaggering thugs.
Speaking of swaggering thugs, why should such people have easy access to semiautomatic weapons? Any thoughts on the fact that angry religous extremists are no longer admitted to pilot training programs?

If it's apples and oranges, why do gun huggers post links to articles about airplane issues on the "Berserk Gunman of the Month" threads? I'm just trying to use a bit of your logic here!

[ZRX Doug]

Please post a link to any statements I made concerning evil. In your outburst of emotion, you seem to be simply making things up. [[It's both funny and sad how emotional gun huggers get about weapons and ammo).
This whole topic concerns evil acts..or do you not consider the shooting of seven kids to be "evil?" If you don't feel such things are "evil" [[or "bad," or "wrong," YOU pick the adjective) then why the hell do you seem to care so much about them?
Quit the dancing with semantics, dude..it makes you look infantile.
The difference between us is that you wish to place the responsibility for these acts upon the shoulders of people [[and companies) who are NOT in any way to blame.
I'm neither "emotional" or a "gun hugger." I own some firearms, yeah..each of them is simply a tool built to do a job. I'm no more "emotional" about one of my target rifles or my home defense shotgun than I am about the wrenches in my tool box. I get emotional when some asshat [[guess who?) speaks of punishing ME because of someone else's failure to use their tools responsibly.

Nobody has punched me in the nose for decades, because actually, I am responsible enough to stay an arm's length or more from swaggering thugs.
Very forward-thinking of you, I salute you. Let's say for the sake of the argument that some non-swaggering non-thug manages to pierce your awesome defensive radar and hangs a right hook on your snout..who will you blame? Who will you expect to pay for any damages?

Speaking of swaggering thugs, why should such people have easy access to semiautomatic weapons?
Because they make it a hell of a lot more likely that I'll nail both clay pigeons in the set rather than just the first one..
FWIW, the "semi-auto" fear is unwarranted..gimme a bolt-action rifle and I'll put as many rounds as it can hold on target MANUALLY in under ten seconds..ditto for a revolver or pump-action shotgun.
It would behoove you to fear ALL firearms if that's your mindset..ain't a one of 'em that won't kill you dead if the person holding it is thinking that way..your use of the term "semi-automatic" in such an ominous manner speaks volumes of your actual knowledge of the subject.
Are you equally frightened of cars with automatic transmissions?


Any thoughts on the fact that angry religous extremists are no longer admitted to pilot training programs?
Me, I don't think angry religious extremists should be permitted to breathe. What's your point?

If it's apples and oranges, why do gun huggers post links to articles about airplane issues on the "Berserk Gunman of the Month" threads? I'm just trying to use a bit of your logic here!

Sorry, I'm not familiar with the threads you're speaking of..but your comparison to airline crashes/insurance/lawsuits is "apples and oranges" because of one very simple thing.
When a plane crashes, it's due to a failure of either the equipment [[SUE THE MANUFACTURER!) or the people using it [[SUE THE AIRLINE!).
When a murderer shoots someone, there IS no failure..the equipment did what it was designed to do [[place a projectile in a given target at the design velocity), and the shooter did what HE intended to do.
The gun manufacturer isn't responsible for the intent of the shooter, only that their product fulfills its design claims..the blame is the shooter's alone.

If I were to beat you with my baseball bat, would you blame Louisville Slugger? Or other people who own bats? How 'bout I intentionally hit you with my car..will you sue Dodge for MY actions?