Warrenite84 #12: As a Senior at WSU, I can only say some of my teachers have been really great, & some have been driftwood riding on past achievements until they retire.

DrJeff #11: I'm on the WSU faculty. There is already a system in place for getting rid of underperforming faculty with tenure. This involves review by faculty peers. However, the current administration wants to be able to fire faculty simply by unilterally deciding they want them gone, with no input from the rest of the faculty.

Two different perspectives. Both want good results. If Warrenite is right, and there are teachers who are 'walking through' their jobs... does the system DrJeff outlines work?

We don't want our public employees tossed out every time there's a management shift. But we also want excellence for our tax money. Maybe Warrenite's experience is only one bad apple among many.

How do we get excellence within tenure and unions?