No joke! Study the crime map carefully...not a single sq mile without shootings

[313WX]

So sad.. yet "normal" in Detroit... Coleman Young argued with a reporter in 1990 about the level of crime in Detroit saying any "big" city has crime....
ANY murder is NOT acceptable.... Yet elected officials in Detroit see nothing wrong with this picture... ....
Only in Detroit.....

Coleman Young WAS right in 1990.

Every "big" american city had per-capita crime rates in line with Detroit's in 1990, even NYC.

[corktownyuppie]

I just want to emphasize the difference between something being likely to happen to you and something that just happens too much. Shootings are something that just happen too much in Detroit. But just because you're in Detroit does not mean you are very likely to get shot.

One of the smartest things I've read on this forum. I've lived in Detroit 21 years and gone K-12 within the city limits. You know what? The only time I've ever seen a handgun that's not on a policeman was when I was at the gun range.

Gunfire is mostly a social problem in the city. And since I don't associate with people for whom violence is a part of life, it's a non-issue with me.

My advice?

- If you're buying drugs, pay retail+ to get it from a secure source.
- Don't beat your girlfriend
- Walk away from fights and from people who fight
- If there are groups of people full of tension and hostility, keep your distance.

Haven't had a single problem living in the city.

[jtf1972]

Interesting... The News publishes a map that if you pull out just a bit, shows its readers exactly why they live in the suburbs... No major Detroit crimes happen outside of Detroit!

[jtf1972]

...and to the number of crimes where no suspect was arrested, overall crime in the US only has about a 20% capture & 7.4% conviction rate.

So while Detroit can certainly do better, it's not like we're that far behind the average.

[JVB]

Most people don't realize this, but the police do not have a responsibility to protect us or prevent crime. The Supreme Court has actually ruled on variations of that several times, with the most recent case being Castle Rock, vs Gonzalez.

[Wheels]

Interesting... The News publishes a map that if you pull out just a bit, shows its readers exactly why they live in the suburbs... No major Detroit crimes happen outside of Detroit!

WOW!! If you zoom out a little further Detroit is the only place in the country where crime occurs!!

[313WX]

Most people don't realize this, but the police do not have a responsibility to protect us or prevent crime. The Supreme Court has actually ruled on variations of that several times, with the most recent case being Castle Rock, vs Gonzalez.

Interesting...

Then what do we pay them to do exactly?

[Honky Tonk]

Interesting...

Then what do we pay them to do exactly?

Sec. 7-1101. Police Department.

The police department shall preserve the public peace, prevent crime, arrest offenders, protect the rights of persons and property, guard the public heath, preserve order, and enforce laws of the state and the nation and the ordinances of the city.

https://www.detroitmi.gov/Department...s/Charter.aspx

[Bham1982]

Coleman Young WAS right in 1990.

Every "big" american city had per-capita crime rates in line with Detroit's in 1990, even NYC.

I find this extremely hard to believe.

I mean, even if you knew nothing about big cities in the U.S., it wouldn't be logical that they all had the same crime rate at the same time. Cities vary quite a bit in terms of demographics, economics, law enforcement resources, etc.

I'm guessing that Detroit has had elevated rates of crime relative to other major cities for a number of decades. And I think there's high variability among the cities as a whole. I bet you NYC, Boston, maybe LA, definitely Seattle, have generally been below average in terms of crime, even before Giuliani and the more recent crime dops.

[Bham1982]

One of the smartest things I've read on this forum. I've lived in Detroit 21 years and gone K-12 within the city limits. You know what? The only time I've ever seen a handgun that's not on a policeman was when I was at the gun range.

Really? I see handguns all the time, and I don't exactly associate myself with those who regularly carry. You've never seen someone carrying?

Both longtime Detroiters in my circle of associates carry guns in their vehicles, and I'd say close to half of my suburban friends have a gun in the family. I'm actually anti-gun, and think the Second Amendment needs to be changed or interpreted differently, but it seems like a pretty rare opinion, in both city and suburb.

[313WX]

I find this extremely hard to believe.

I mean, even if you knew nothing about big cities in the U.S., it wouldn't be logical that they all had the same crime rate at the same time. Cities vary quite a bit in terms of demographics, economics, law enforcement resources, etc.

I'm guessing that Detroit has had elevated rates of crime relative to other major cities for a number of decades. And I think there's high variability among the cities as a whole. I bet you NYC, Boston, maybe LA, definitely Seattle, have generally been below average in terms of crime, even before Giuliani and the more recent crime drops.

I said "big" cities, as in Philadelphia, NYC, Chicago, etc., not Boston or Seattle [[which weren't that big at the time). With the crack-cocaine epidemic in 1990, crime was ridiculously high in all major urban areas. The difference now is, while crime has declined in those cities since 1990, Detroit's crime rate is still ridiculously high.

As for Los Angeles, the worst of its crime problems have always been in its neighboring suburbs. See Compton, Inglewood, etc.

[iheartthed]

I find this extremely hard to believe.

I mean, even if you knew nothing about big cities in the U.S., it wouldn't be logical that they all had the same crime rate at the same time. Cities vary quite a bit in terms of demographics, economics, law enforcement resources, etc.

I'm guessing that Detroit has had elevated rates of crime relative to other major cities for a number of decades. And I think there's high variability among the cities as a whole. I bet you NYC, Boston, maybe LA, definitely Seattle, have generally been below average in terms of crime, even before Giuliani and the more recent crime dops.

NYC's crime rate was quite high through at least the mid-1990s. NYC's crime rate in the 1990s is about the same as what Detroit's is today. That said, Detroit's crime rate was a bit higher in the 1990s than it is today.

[JVB]

Sec. 7-1101. Police Department.

The police department shall preserve the public peace, prevent crime, arrest offenders, protect the rights of persons and property, guard the public heath, preserve order, and enforce laws of the state and the nation and the ordinances of the city.

https://www.detroitmi.gov/Department...s/Charter.aspx

That's what their mission is, but the Supreme Court has ruled that they can not be held accountable for failing [[or refusing) to do any of those things.

[Honky Tonk]

That's what their mission is, but the Supreme Court has ruled that they can not be held accountable for failing [[or refusing) to do any of those things.

How do I get in on any of this? I want to be able to say "Naw, I'm not going to do that" on my job, and have the Supreme Court back me up. I also want to pay the 14% tax rate other people do.