English Only Supporters Hold "Conferenece" to promote monoculturalism.

**vetalalumni** · July-02-09, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

I guess if those who hold onto the world was Literally created in seven working days...then it must seem reasonable that Obama created this economic mess in five months...

Good post gibran.

cheddar bob · July-02-09, 10:21 PM

**mjs** · July-02-09, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by gibran

cc as a physcian it must be difficult when a diagnosis of brain dead is proven wrong

When the clinically brain dead do vote, it is usually for the Democrats. I walked by a DNC office downtown a few years back and I thought they were watching Mighty Python because I kept hearing someone shout, "Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!"

**Jimaz** · July-02-09, 10:57 PM

"Mighty Python"

This stretching rubber band is about to break and will claim it intended to break.

Lorax · July-03-09, 09:36 AM

LOL!!!

I think "Mighty Python" is a porn title!

Or could you have been thinking of "Mighty Aphrodite?"

Either way, leave it to the bitter leftovers from the McShame campaign to come up with this one.

ccbatson · July-03-09, 09:35 PM

Vetalumni...what Obama has created in 5 months is a quadrupling of spending and debt. THIS CANNOT BE REFUTED. The painful consequences of this are just beginning to be felt.

Lorax · July-03-09, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by ccbatson

Vetalumni...what Obama has created in 5 months is a quadrupling of spending and debt. THIS CANNOT BE REFUTED. The painful consequences of this are just beginning to be felt.

I know, I said the same thing when passing my last kidney stone. It was just as painful as continually reading your posts.

**barnesfoto** · July-04-09, 12:56 PM

no amensty!

**vetalalumni** · July-04-09, 01:25 PM

"This is America and our only lanaguage is English".

Inaccurate. Convenient conventions withstanding, language is fundamentally about communication. The entire context shapes the activity.

**Sstashmoo** · July-04-09, 01:42 PM

I have to wonder how many of these pics are photoshop'd. They are coming a little too frequently and conveniently. With the majority of the population speaking English in this country, someone coming here and not wanting to learn it is just ignorance. Plain and simple. Talk about minimizing one's opportunities. Every immigrant story coming here and those that were successful assimilating, had one commonality, they all learned English. They may not have learned it well, but they learned it well enough to interact with the rest of the country.

cheddar bob · July-04-09, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

I have to wonder how many of these pics are photoshop'd. They are coming a little too frequently and conveniently. With the majority of the population speaking English in this country, someone coming here and not wanting to learn it is just ignorance. Plain and simple. Talk about minimizing one's opportunities. Every immigrant story coming here and those that were successful assimilating, had one commonality, they all learned English. They may not have learned it well, but they learned it well enough to interact with the rest of the country.

I guess we're going to have to go over this again. First generation immigrants have historically not learned english and it was left to the second and third generations. Do you want me to cite the studies? Again? You just don't learn.

**Sstashmoo** · July-04-09, 05:06 PM

Reiterating: "With the majority of the population speaking English in this country, someone coming here and not wanting to learn it is just ignorance."

I stand by the above statement. I could care less what they do or did. Your "studies" are irrelevant. Cheddar, studies are like polls, they typically only display the bias of the folks conducting them.

Bearinabox · July-04-09, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by cheddar bob

Stranczek, huh? Doesn't sound very American to me.

cheddar bob · July-04-09, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Reiterating: "With the majority of the population speaking English in this country, someone coming here and not wanting to learn it is just ignorance."

I stand by the above statement. I could care less what they do or did. Your "studies" are irrelevant. Cheddar, studies are like polls, they typically only display the bias of the folks conducting them.

Yeah, why go on things like "facts", and "the truth". We should all just get your opinion on things and go from there.

The bottom line is that first generation immigrants historically have not learned english. There's no bias, that is what happened. There's no question about it, but apparently you like to wallow in your own ignorance.

**Sstashmoo** · July-04-09, 07:43 PM

Quote: "Yeah, why go on things like "facts", and "the truth"."

You have neither.

Quote: "There's no bias, that is what happened."

And this was decided how? Surveys? Internet polls?

You think that all immigrants should be defiant and refuse to learn English, this has been your claim in the past. Obviously you don't know jackshit about what they want to do in reality.

Here is an article for the Arizona Republic:

""As momentum grows to make English the official language in Arizona and across the country, immigrants are having a hard time getting into English classes.

At adult education programs throughout the state, the demand for English classes is so great that immigrants often wait months, and sometimes more than a year and a half, to get in. The long waits hurt immigrants' ability to get jobs and help their children in school.""

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...26english.html

Here is another:

""NEW YORK - Farzana Morshed arrived from Bangladesh three years ago without any real grasp of English. Her husband had to help her open a bank account, an interpreter was necessary when she needed medical care and she couldn't go anywhere by herself for fear of getting lost.Morshed soon got the language lessons she needed through her local library and a community-based nonprofit organization, and her English is good enough that she can work as an interpreter at a hospital.""

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29825061/

cheddar bob · July-04-09, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

And this was decided how? Surveys? Internet polls?

It's called research. If you had paid attention the first couple of times, you would know.

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

You think that all immigrants should be defiant and refuse to learn English, this has been your claim in the past.

I said no such thing. You are flat out lying. If you're so sure of it, show me where I said, "all immigrants should be defiant and refuse to learn English".

**Sstashmoo** · July-04-09, 10:11 PM

Quote: "research"

Ambiguous. What does it really mean? What is it based on? There is an old adage in the research arena: "If you can't explain something, you obviously don't understand it". It sort of applies here.

Here is your statement again: "first generation immigrants historically have not learned english"

None of them, a portion of them? I mean what the fuck is that based on? I think it's totally inaccurate. It doesn't even make sense. First generation, like 25 years of the first family member's life was spent in a country where they could not communicate with anyone but those who knew their language? Think about it, it's total bullshit. They couldn't get a job or even navigate by street signs, if what you're trying to pawn off was true.

I'm going to help you out here. I think what you're trying to say is Most first generation immigrants were not fluent in English, but knew enough of it to communicate with others. I think they all learned English to a certain degree.

ccbatson · July-04-09, 10:30 PM

Irrelevant what an immigrant decides to do, or not to do. Why? Individual freedom of choice...it is not the business of government to tell ANYONE how to exercise this choice.

Lorax · July-05-09, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Sstashmoo

Quote: "research"

Ambiguous. What does it really mean? What is it based on? There is an old adage in the research arena: "If you can't explain something, you obviously don't understand it". It sort of applies here.

Here is your statement again: "first generation immigrants historically have not learned english"

None of them, a portion of them? I mean what the fuck is that based on? I think it's totally inaccurate. It doesn't even make sense. First generation, like 25 years of the first family member's life was spent in a country where they could not communicate with anyone but those who knew their language? Think about it, it's total bullshit. They couldn't get a job or even navigate by street signs, if what you're trying to pawn off was true.

I'm going to help you out here. I think what you're trying to say is Most first generation immigrants were not fluent in English, but knew enough of it to communicate with others. I think they all learned English to a certain degree.

I just love dumping crap on your argument, so, open wide!

Try living here in Miami where there are THREE generations of cubans in particular who refuse to learn English. They've created their own little world where English IS the second language.

There are parts of this town, bordering on the majority, where all business, banking, signage, etc, is in Spanish. It is apparently true in parts of Texas and the southwest as well.

I had to dash into a Bank of America in SW Miami last year before switching banks, and there wasn't a personal banker present who spoke English. No kidding. They had a few, but they were either off, or at lunch. There were three of them present.

Any shop, gas station, mechanic, etc, is 100% Espanol, baby, so you'd better learn it if you care to make it here!

**barnesfoto** · July-05-09, 12:06 AM

"I have to wonder how many of these pics are photoshop'd."
It's not hard to prove when pictures have been photoshop'd [[sic). The magification tool in PS can usally detect such activity. Please feel free to use it to support your allegations.

"With the majority of the population speaking English in this country, someone coming here and not wanting to learn it is just ignorance".
Perhaps. Of course, constantly criticizing the language skills of others while making errors in the mechanics of the same language is ignorance too.
Then there's the folks who constantly criticize the English skills of others, and make excuses for their own poor grasp of English Grammar. Many people would call that "hypocrisy".
"Plain and simple." >>>This is an example of a sentance fragment. You are missing the verb! "Talk about minimizing one's opportunities." >>Another sentance fragment. Is this a command?
If so, it should be followed by an exclamation point. Who talks? Where is the pronoun?

Pleese lurn the English!

**Sstashmoo** · July-05-09, 12:22 AM

Attack the grammar, you have zero argument.

I think I'll claim this debate won. Not one reasonable rebuttal.

Lorax · July-05-09, 12:27 AM

LOL!!

How nice, you've decided to collect your marbles and go home.

You'd better make sure you pick them all up, you were missing a few when you started.

**Sstashmoo** · July-05-09, 12:27 AM

See what I mean?

Lorax · July-05-09, 12:32 AM

OK Mom, I'll stop picking on him.

....MOMMMMMM- he's lookin' at me!

STOP IT, LORAX!

**barnesfoto** · July-05-09, 12:46 AM

You'd think some people, even the "everbybody else lurn English, me, my grammur is good" crowd could just have a good laugh at the silly signs...but no!

What a sad thing, to be impaired in both grammar and humor!