Businesses seem to be moving in, why not our media?

[Hermod]

Yes, but these are two separate issues. The region is decentralized and sprawled, and the region is underperforming, of course.

The problem is when people try and link the two, when there's no evidence of a strong relationship between the two. Centralized cities don't necessarily have stronger economies than multinodal cities, or vice-versa.

It is the "entitlement mentality" of "they owe it to us to move downtown and pay city taxes [[so we don't have to pay them ourselves)"

[antongast]

It is the "entitlement mentality" of "they owe it to us to move downtown and pay city taxes [[so we don't have to pay them ourselves)"

Reasonable people can disagree and all that, but this opinion of yours is both really fucking offensive and not at all representative of what anyone I've ever met actually thinks about this.

[313WX]

Reasonable people can disagree and all that, but this opinion of yours is both really fucking offensive and not at all representative of what anyone I've ever met actually thinks about this.

Agreed.

I see Bham1982's point, but to be fair cities such as Philadelphia, Chicago, DC, NYC and Atlanta which still have strong urban cores have regions that continue to grow [[some of which by leaps & bounds) versus Detroit's region which has remained stagnant for the past 40 years.

DC, like Detroit, is also dominated by one industry [[Federal Government).

I understand correlation doesn't equal causation, but it's no question in my mind that Detroit [[metro) has really stunted its potential by choosing to pass up on building a strong urban core.

[kryptonite]

Like the Detroit Pistons?

How about them there New York Giants out in East Rutherford, New Jersey?

Hemrod, the quote made me think about something. In 1970 who would have thought that by 1985 that the Red Wings and Tigers would still be in the city. And years later, who would ever think that the Lions would be back downtown. Now the Tigers have a new downtown location, the Red Wings never left and are probably going to have a new downtown arena, the Lions are next to the Tigers and it's not unthinkable that the Pistons will someday be in Detroit proper.

And in 1985 who would have thought that eventually the Book Cadillac and Fort Shelby might reopen? Few people would have because after the riots the prevailing pattern was to close in downtown or to move to the suburbs, not to go the opposite direction.,

So I guess that it's conceivable also that more media offices/studios will again be Downtown at some point in the future. With new hotels, the casinos, theaters and sports venues downtown - the idea that the TV stations could all end up back in the center city may not be a pipe dream.

[Hermod]

DC, like Detroit, is also dominated by one industry [[Federal Government).

Yes, but DC [[and I have lived there) is dominated by an industry that is growing, has a monopoly on its function, has no foreign competition, and can print their own money.

[Hermod]

Reasonable people can disagree and all that, but this opinion of yours is both really fucking offensive and not at all representative of what anyone I've ever met actually thinks about this.

Read between the lines of the various threads and posts on this forum, Sunshine.

[antongast]

Read between the lines of the various threads and posts on this forum, Sunshine.

I guess I lack your phenomenal capacity for critical analysis. But hey, fuck it, I'm just a dumbass entitled Detroiter, why do I need to learn that shit when I can just scam some TV station into moving here and paying my taxes for me?

[iheartthed]

It is the "entitlement mentality" of "they owe it to us to move downtown and pay city taxes [[so we don't have to pay them ourselves)"

Thurston Howell Romney couldn't have said it better himself.

[iheartthed]

Yes, but these are two separate issues. The region is decentralized and sprawled, and the region is underperforming, of course.

The problem is when people try and link the two, when there's no evidence of a strong relationship between the two. Centralized cities don't necessarily have stronger economies than multinodal cities, or vice-versa.

I don't think the issues are unrelated. Detroit was a centralized city that became decentralized largely due to non-natural intervention. It wasn't Los Angeles or Dallas, which grew out as decentralized places. Detroit was as centralized as Philadelphia or Chicago in each of those cities heyday.

So how does a city go from being centralized to decentralized? What affects does this process have on regional wealth, the underlying regional economy, and the dynamism of that underlying economy? I don't think anyone knows for sure, however, there does seems to be a strong correlation between economic stagnation and urban decay... especially among cities that were once centralized that have become sprawled, which are abundant in the Rust Belt... And that economic stagnation is not entirely explained by unfair foreign trade policies.

[Hermod]

So how does a city go from being centralized to decentralized? What affects does this process have on regional wealth, the underlying regional economy, and the dynamism of that underlying economy? I don't think anyone knows for sure, however, there does seems to be a strong correlation between economic stagnation and urban decay... especially among cities that were once centralized that have become sprawled, which are abundant in the Rust Belt... And that economic stagnation is not entirely explained by unfair foreign trade policies.

Even before the Datsuns and Toyotas arrived on our shores, the Big Three were building assembly plants in other states. The delivery charges from the Detroit factories used to be actual costs and made up a prohibitive percentage of a car price in places like California

[Detroitej72]

Yes, but DC [[and I have lived there) is dominated by an industry that is growing, has a monopoly on its function, has no foreign competition, and can print their own money.

Last I checked the Federal Reserve prints money, not the government. And what most people don't know is that the Reserve is a private company, controlled by private bankers who sit on the board. The only control the president has is to appoint the chairman.

[313WX]

Last I checked the Federal Reserve prints money, not the government. And what most people don't know is that the Reserve is a private company, controlled by private bankers who sit on the board. The only control the president has is to appoint the chairman.

No.

The US treasury actually prints the money [[and the Treasury Bonds to sell to investors), but they can't print any money without the Federal Reserve's authorization because those treasuries must be sold off in an open market auction first.

And no, technically the Federal Reserve isn't a corporation. There aren't any shareholders, other than any excess revenue that's returned to the US treasury after operating expenses are covered. If the government were to repeal the Federal Reserve Act today, the FED would have to shut down its operation. However, it does, like the US Post Office, have its own chartered authority to manage itself independent of the government.

That said, I don't understand what this has to do with businesses being located in [[downtown) Detroit.

[poobert]

Yes, but DC [[and I have lived there) is dominated by an industry that is growing, has a monopoly on its function, has no foreign competition, and can print their own money.

What was it like when the British burned down the White House, Uncle Scrooge?

[Hypestyles]

in the near future, the closest thing developing downtown may be "new media" groups, e.g. Internet/Web based companies, not dependent on broadcasting towers or printing presses, etc.
So we'll see.. hopefully Techtown and Gilbert's incubator operations can help with that..

[Hermod]

What was it like when the British burned down the White House, Uncle Scrooge?

The point being that the DC area is recession-proof and depression proof.

Growing up in Detroit, we always had the automotive up years and the down years which affected the local economy. The DC area doesn't have that.