7 shot following Detroit Princess riverboat moonlight cruise

[internet_pseudopod]

What kind of man gives a gun to his girlfriend? If she needed to be defended, shouldn't he have done something?

The kind of dude that wants to do a few years for supplying a murder weapon.

[kenp]

... with the getaway driver wounded, no leads on him yet?

check out packman41's post #49.
there is an article you can read.
He is in serious condition and she has beed identified.

[Wheels]

Hatfield's and McCoy's don't have nothing on a good "Detroit" Family Feud!

[kenp]

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...ruise-shooting

Still on the lamb, time to pay the piper

[Zacha341]

The alleged shooter has finally turned herself in. As the news sources stated she was on the lam, not even visiting her children or her husband with a bullet in the back [[some how golf clubs come up - see wxyz.com report):

Detroit Princess riverboat shooting suspect comes forward

http://www.freep.com/article/20120811/NEWS01/308110036/Detroit-Princess-riverboat-shooting-suspect-comes-forward?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Michigan%20news| s

Suspect in Detroit Princess cruise shooting turns herself into police

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/...#ixzz23G60Xsem

[Detroitej72]

I wonder if the NRA will provide her with a lawyer like they did for George Zimmerman?

[Zacha341]

Friday night I was aboard Jet Express II coming in from Put In Bay headed towards the DYC and saw the Detroit Princess not far from the Ambassador Bridge. She was motoring slow [[that ship rarely goes over 5 knots)... seemed like a private event cruise, mostly. Pretty quiet on board from what I could see.

Detroit Princess canceled the Hot 107.5 Hip Hop DJ night midnight cruises for the rest of the season. I guess they don't see any upside in the risk of that crowd for now.

[corktownyuppie]

Friday night I was aboard Jet Express II coming in from Put In Bay headed towards the DYC and saw the Detroit Princess not far from the Ambassador Bridge. She was motoring slow [[that ship rarely goes over 5 knots)... seemed like a private event cruise, mostly. Pretty quiet on board from what I could see.

DJ canceled the Hot 107.5 Hip Hop DJ night midnight cruises for the rest of the season.

Saw a sign above Niki's in Bricktown. 107.5 now hosting events at Niki's Club. I hope everyone has fun and that everyone can be safe.

Here's the question...are we just repeating mistakes of the past? Are we being naive to believe that a hip-hop club can provide the necessary safeguards to prevent violence both in and around the club and before, during, and after events?

I walked by there. Each of those security guards was friendly, professional, and about 250-300 lbs of solid "don't f--- with me".

Or am I being too narrow minded in believing that there is something fundamentally wrong about hip-hop music, the people who are attracted to it, and the emotions that it seems to arouse in combination with darkness, large crowds, and alcohol?

I hate profiling. And it's not like I don't listen or haven't listened to a lot of hip hop. I do and have. But one incident is an isolated event. 2 incidents is a coincidence. 3 is a pattern.

We've now seen violence and shootings surrounding hip-hop clubs in areas as different as downtown Detroit and Birmingham. A boat in the middle of the Detroit river gets transformed from safe to dangerous and right back to safe again, not based on location but based on who was on the boat. So we know that location by itself is not the issue. As far as this issue is concerned, it's not that you are safe around "x" but in danger around "y".

Millions of Detroiters listen to hip hop. It's ambient in our culture here. Whether your 15 or 50, it's all around us. And 99% of the time, listening to it is incident-free. Lil Wayne comes on at a club in Pontiac, and it's not like all of a sudden guns start showing up out of nowhere and 4 people are dead. So the music by itself is not the issue.

The 3 casinos are open 24 hours a day in a city that never has enough cops. 40,000 people show up at Comerica Park, drink alcohol, and go home around 11pm to midnight. So it's not about the number of people or a lack of police, or the time of day. Putting a curfew up, or preventing large people from gathering together is not necessarily the issue.

Floods across from the Greektown Casino serves alcohol to hundreds to thousands of people per week. Most of whom are black. Mostly late at night. Also incident-free. So race is not the issue here

But something about combining hip hop music clubs, alcohol, and late nights seems to end in nothing but trouble. My gut is telling me that Niki's is next. And it's not because of the music, or the alcohol, or the large crowds, or the age or race of its attendees. It's combining all of these factors that inevitably seems to end the same way.

Am I wrong for wanting businesses to stop repeating what happened at LAX, at the Detroit Princess, and even in Downtown Birmingham from happening again? And what's the best way to do this without being heavy-handed and punishing people and businesses that are responsible and know how to handle themselves?

[Meddle]

Millions of Detroiters listen to hip hop.

I thought there were only about 700,000 Detroiters?

[corktownyuppie]

Well, in this context, I meant Metro Detroiters. Sorry for the imprecise language. 4.3 MM people living in Metro Detroit MSA.

[Zacha341]

IMO Hip Hop music is one of many influences coupled with alcohol and you've got some potential problems. Not always but enough to be noteworthy, specifically related to the very young age group and it influences on their behavior. The fact that music influences is not news. If you don't want to be around that crowd you find out where that music is and go elsewhere!!

I don't like much Hip Hop, or Rap. Sometimes there's an expectation that if you're black you of course like it. Nonsense! I don't, and make no apology. This form of music contains lyrics and a tonality I'd prefer not to hear - it celebrates things I don't. Everyone in Detroit is not listening to this form of music.

[Zacha341]

Umm, there is another style of music out there known as Old School R & B. This is the music they play at places like Floods. There can be and have been problems at clubs playing all kinds of music but for the most part Old School music caters to an older crowd. Places promoting "Old School" music do not draw younger hip-hop crowd as much. There's some overlap but they are different demographic in that mix.

Example, I took one of those DJ Night rides on the Detroit Princess a couple of years ago and one deck was Hip Hop and Rap. The upper deck was R & B Old School, the top outer partial deck had a small Jazz band. For the most part there was little intermingling. The Hip Hop deck crowd was different, very young. You did not see any ballroom dancing on the Hip Hop deck, just pounding music and the crushed up, douggie style of dance.

NO! I would not go to Niki's at this point. I think it's similar to LAX. But Niki's proximity to that casino should keep it from getting to hand. The law will come down on any extreme mess fast.

Floods across from the Greektown Casino serves alcohol to hundreds to thousands of people per week. Most of whom are black. Mostly late at night. Also incident-free. So race is not the issue here

[Meddle]

IMO Hip Hop music is one of many influences coupled with alchohol and you've got some potential problems.

They used to say that about Rock & Roll in the fifties and heavy metal and acid rock in the sixties. It wasn't every kid that listened to rock and roll that caused trouble, just the Greasers. I can't remember what they called the troublemakers in the sixties, but they were more or less anti-hippies. Seventies and Eighties, you had punk rock bands and their followers and in the nineties it was the grunge rockers.

I thoroughly hate and despise anything even close to cRap and Hip-Hop and wish none of it had ever gone public, but I don't blame the noise alone. I say noise, because I refuse to associate it with real music and that garbage is an embarrassment to Grammy winners that had real musical talent and skills.


R&B was a totally different type of music and should never be sullied by the term Hip-Hop.

[kenp]

Friday night I was aboard Jet Express II coming in from Put In Bay headed towards the DYC and saw the Detroit Princess not far from the Ambassador Bridge. .

Sorry to change the subject. I have been to Put-n-bay a few times and never knew there was a Detroit boat trip. Is this a regular thing? How long of a trip is it?

[Ltdave]

the next day, i got an email from the Detroit Princess people [[wife and i went on a dinner/theater cruise about 6 years ago) asking for our favorite pictures of the boat for inclusion in a contest to win a cruise package for myself and 19 friends...

uh, no thank....

[superduperman]

The police released the shooter.

[kenp]

The police released the shooter.

So she is hiding out, then turns herself in and the cops let her go.
Makes you wonder who she is hiding from. Hope for her that some street justice doesnt come her way.

[jpbollma]

From what I understand the Wayne County prosecutors asked that she be released, it wasn't the doing of the City.

[Gannon]

Never thought about the street justice aspect...I wonder if they made a honeypot out of her. Surely they at least gave her an ankle bracelet, right?!

[kenp]

From what I understand the Wayne County prosecutors asked that she be released, it wasn't the doing of the City.

Yes, I understand. However it is the DPD doing the investigation and its been a week and they obviously dont have enough on her for Wayne County's liking.

[Zacha341]

Yes, from time to time. There are organizations that sponsor trips from the Detroit Yacht Club, etc. The boat is a fleet of ships [[Jet Express I, II, III etc). It's a catamaran style ship that speeds along at 40 knots. You get to Put in Bay in about 2.5 hours.

http://www.jet-express.com/

Sorry to change the subject. I have been to Put-n-bay a few times and never knew there was a Detroit boat trip. Is this a regular thing? How long of a trip is it?

[Zacha341]

Here's a news link on the release:

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/19...ncess-released

The police released the shooter.

[kenp]

Based on what I just read there should be ample evidence to arrest her, and this is a high profile case. What happens to all the other cases that get brushed under the carpet for alck of interest. Wow, the system is messed up.

[Hypestyles]

...I wonder did she ditch the gun, and does that have anything to do with the "lack of evidence"...?

[Zacha341]

Yeah, just great for tourism...

Based on what I just read there should be ample evidence to arrest her, and this is a high profile case. What happens to all the other cases that get brushed under the carpet for alck of interest. Wow, the system is messed up.