Shirtless man jumped off of the Greektown parking garage

**Alley** · June-23-12, 05:38 PM

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My sister is at a wedding reception at the Atheneum and it all happened right across from their view. She said paramedics did CPR, stopped, loaded him up. Not looking good, he was totally limp and left a puddle behind

**Pam** · June-23-12, 06:27 PM

Didn't that happen once before?

**jpbollma** · June-23-12, 06:32 PM

wow, too bad. If he did that after losing in the casino that will be bad press. That is awful to have your wedding ruined like that.

**Zacha341** · June-23-12, 08:56 PM

Yeah, this may be the 'deluxe' depressive mood gone to the edge after a time at a casino participating in 'gaming'...

Any news links on this? I see nothing so far.....

**SaintMe** · June-23-12, 09:15 PM

From 2009, but the referenced article is no longer on WDIV website.
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/showthr...eektown-Casino

Also found this on Topix from last June, but there is nothing about it on WWJ website.
http://www.topix.com/forum/detroit/TTU4U1E3E8FGG5OGC

**cmubryan** · June-23-12, 10:21 PM

Yes, the last person that did this was my former classmate. West Bloomfield High, class of 2000.

**Scottathew** · June-23-12, 10:50 PM

That's too sad. My wishes to the family.

**Gianni** · June-23-12, 11:41 PM

I was riding my bike with my 16 year old daughter to the Detroit City Futbol game at about 6:30 pm today. We were right there when it happened. Did not actually see it but heard the guy hit the ground as we were riding by, heard the screams, looked to my right and we saw the guy in the street, blood running from his head. I'm praying he survived. My daughter said she saw his hand moving but it did not look good. The security guard, not sure if he was from the Atheneum or Greektown Casino, called it in immediately so I hope EMS showed up right away. There was nothing we could do.

An old friend's brother killed himself by jumping off the Greektown Garage off I-375 a couple of years ago. My guess is this happens all the time and the Casinos cover it up. Later I thought I wish I had called the press.

This needs to be exposed. I hate the casinos. Investigative reporters, there is story here. How many suicides right on the casino property, and what are they doing about it besides keeping it quiet? Only place you can hear about this news is Detroit Yes.

**Zacha341** · June-24-12, 06:47 AM

Speaking as a former gambler [[four years gambling free) I have seen some things - mostly people crying [[men and woman) on the elevators, in their cars out in the parking lot, after a 'fun' day at the casino. In the MGM lot saw a woman frantically snatch off her eye glasses, twist them into pieces, then jump in her car and drive off almost hitting a pylon.

The parking lots reveal alot as the light of day [[consequences) really hit when you leave a casino 'down' [[lost money there). You see folks driving wildly out a casino after loosing their money [[get out of the way or be mowed down). Simple fact of the matter is MOST people are loosing money at these stupid places.

There's a segment of gamblers who are doing so in secret which causes stress in the family, on their jobs if they are working etc. ETC. The mood overall at our casinos is pretty macabre... hardly festive. I'm not surprised the casinos do what they can to keep the negative things that happen on the low-low!

I am voting NO on any additional casinos or stand alone slot machines.

Originally Posted by Gianni

An old friend's brother killed himself by jumping off the Greektown Garage off I-375 a couple of years ago. My guess is this happens all the time and the Casinos cover it up. Later I thought I wish I had called the press.

This needs to be exposed. I hate the casinos. Investigative reporters, there is story here. How many suicides right on the casino property, and what are they doing about it besides keeping it quiet? Only place you can hear about this news is Detroit Yes.

**jerrytimes** · June-24-12, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gianni

I was riding my bike with my 16 year old daughter to the Detroit City Futbol game at about 6:30 pm today. We were right there when it happened. Did not actually see it but heard the guy hit the ground as we were riding by, heard the screams, looked to my right and we saw the guy in the street, blood running from his head. I'm praying he survived. My daughter said she saw his hand moving but it did not look good. The security guard, not sure if he was from the Atheneum or Greektown Casino, called it in immediately so I hope EMS showed up right away. There was nothing we could do.

An old friend's brother killed himself by jumping off the Greektown Garage off I-375 a couple of years ago. My guess is this happens all the time and the Casinos cover it up. Later I thought I wish I had called the press.

This needs to be exposed. I hate the casinos. Investigative reporters, there is story here. How many suicides right on the casino property, and what are they doing about it besides keeping it quiet? Only place you can hear about this news is Detroit Yes.

I don't understand this post. What needs to be exposed? People kill themselves all the time, just because its a casino and he MAY have lost some money there, doesn't make it their fault. Also, how would the casino cover something like this up? I don't understand that logic.

Everyone always tried to look at who to blame. It's no ones fault this guy tried to kill himself. The fault is with the individual.

**wolverine** · June-24-12, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Gianni

I was riding my bike with my 16 year old daughter to the Detroit City Futbol game at about 6:30 pm today. We were right there when it happened. Did not actually see it but heard the guy hit the ground as we were riding by, heard the screams, looked to my right and we saw the guy in the street, blood running from his head. I'm praying he survived. My daughter said she saw his hand moving but it did not look good. The security guard, not sure if he was from the Atheneum or Greektown Casino, called it in immediately so I hope EMS showed up right away. There was nothing we could do.

An old friend's brother killed himself by jumping off the Greektown Garage off I-375 a couple of years ago. My guess is this happens all the time and the Casinos cover it up. Later I thought I wish I had called the press.

This needs to be exposed. I hate the casinos. Investigative reporters, there is story here. How many suicides right on the casino property, and what are they doing about it besides keeping it quiet? Only place you can hear about this news is Detroit Yes.

I wouldn't pray for someone surviving. At least if they died on impact there would be no pain. Surviving would result in a long painful death. Last fall a law student marched into our building, took an elevator to a high floor and searched for a vacant apartment that are left unlocked. He jumped out the window falling 20 stories onto concrete. He survived, but died later because of complicated injuries. It's bad enough people have to end their life in the first place, but to suffer and die is just unimaginable. I just wish there had been someone there to stop them.

**MikeyinBrooklyn** · June-24-12, 10:37 AM

I am not a gambler and I am not a huge fan of the casinos [[although I accept that they are here and going to stay). I think it is absurd to blame suicides on the casino. Among other things it trivializes mental illness. People in their right mind, with the potential exception of people in tremendous physical pain due to illness, do not commit suicide. I feel very badly for people who ruin thier lives gambling, but it is a self-inflicted wound, usually accompanied by substance abuse or other mental illness. I have an uncle who has mostly ruined his life and his relationships. A large reason is the gambling. But he has also stolen money, been drunk more often than sober, been unwilling to work a hard day in his life, etc. Poker chips never walked up to him and said "let us ruin your life." And I think the notion that casinos are "covering up" suicides is silly. Dead people go to the coroner. There are statistics on how everyone dies. If they were hiding bodies, don't you think there would be more missing persons reports? This is a tragedy, to be sure. Suicide is never someone else's fault. NEVER.

**Meddle** · June-24-12, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn

Poker chips never walked up to him and said "let us ruin your life."

Neither have cocaine or heroin.

**Zacha341** · June-24-12, 01:48 PM

Yeah, it is self-induced, yet the proximity can be an inducement for starting to gamble, particularly gambling. I mean there could be a crack house next door to me and I'd never go in or smoke that mess, but others have adictive personalities to all kinds of vices. I broke the gambling habit cold turkey fast once I saw where it was going.

You can see where it is going by observation, people near rock bottom, having lost far too much or everything. No need to loose all you have and ruin your life before making a change! You just have to walk away from that lifestyle completely.

Originally Posted by MikeyinBrooklyn

I am not a gambler and I am not a huge fan of the casinos [[although I accept that they are here and going to stay). I think it is absurd to blame suicides on the casino. Among other things it trivializes mental illness. People in their right mind, with the potential exception of people in tremendous physical pain due to illness, do not commit suicide. I feel very badly for people who ruin thier lives gambling, but it is a self-inflicted wound, usually accompanied by substance abuse or other mental illness. I have an uncle who has mostly ruined his life and his relationships. A large reason is the gambling.

**jtf1972** · June-24-12, 12:21 AM

When I saw this initially the first thought was "damn." The second thought was an inappropriate comment regarding losing ones' shirt at a casino. I feel sorry for his family...

I'm no fan of the casinos, but where there's a will there's a way. I understand an older cousin of mine hitched a ride to Belle Isle in the 60's, then told the guy to stop in the middle of the bridge. "Stick around if you want to see something" were apparently his last words. They closed the observation deck at the Penobscot due to it's popularity for more than the view.

**mikeg19** · June-24-12, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by jtf1972

They closed the observation deck at the Penobscot due to it's popularity for more than the view.

Now that is an interesting tidbit of information. I've never heard of any suicides off, well to be honest, any major buildings downtown. It's too bad they don't reopen it with some sort of setup like the Empire State Building. The views up on the Penobscot must be amazing from the observation deck.

**jtf1972** · June-24-12, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by mikeg19

Now that is an interesting tidbit of information. I've never heard of any suicides off, well to be honest, any major buildings downtown. It's too bad they don't reopen it with some sort of setup like the Empire State Building. The views up on the Penobscot must be amazing from the observation deck.

I heard about the suicides & the observation deck when I worked there. Talking to an old security guard who had seemingly been there since the original building opened.

**DetroitPlanner** · June-24-12, 07:13 AM

The garage mentioned is not only for casino traffic. Lots of others park there. We had someone jump off our parking deck about ten years back and my office is not convenient to any of the casinos. I suggest there may be a lot of people jumping to the wrong conclusion. People jump for all sorts of reasons. After all the Penobscot observation deck was closed decades before we had casinos.

**ThisIsForTheHeart** · June-24-12, 07:23 AM

I never had the casino force me to gamble. It sounds like from some comments its the casino fault. But at the end of the day its the person fault.

Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?

**Zacha341** · June-24-12, 07:37 AM

Apples to oranges comparison, but I DO see your broader point.

The specific and problematic issue with our casinos relative to Detroit and Detroiters is availability and proximity, coupled with a situation of desperation. There are many Detroiters who would have never flown to Vegas to gamble regularly, or perhaps wouldn't have become habitual gamblers if that entailed great travel, planning, or forethought.

IMO distance gamblers who do Vegas, etc. are more likely to spend discretionary income. Neighborhood gamblers are spending money they can hardly afford.

With proximity to gambling houses here some people just got 'caught up'. I am not EXCUSING the behavior, but I saw it happen. You see otherwise rational people, day and night, nickle and dime themselves into a place of regret.

But just as the 'first' day you walk into those joints, you have be responsible and own up to problem, cut your looses [[realizing you'll never get the money back) and walk out that final, last time.

Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart

I never had the casino force me to gamble. It sounds like from some comments its the casino fault. But at the end of the day its the person fault.

Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?

**DetroitPlanner** · June-24-12, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

IMO distance gamblers who do Vegas, etc. are more likely to spend discretionary income. Neighborhood gamblers are spending money they can hardly afford.

But just as the 'first' day you walk into those joints, you have be responsible and own up to problem, cut your looses [[realizing you'll never get the money back) and walk out that final, last time.

like there guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkbghnQVnvE

**Scottathew** · June-24-12, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart

Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?

Yeah, what next, blaming tobacco companies for targeting children in their advertising and making an addictive yet cancer-causing product?

I rarely go to casinos. People need to realize that you're BUYING entertainment, and in the long run you'll never win.

Hell, even if you develop a scientific method such as counting cards in blackjack, it's considered cheating and you're threatened and kicked out[[even though it involves no collusion, just brain-power).

**EastsideAl** · June-26-12, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart

I never had the casino force me to gamble. It sounds like from some comments its the casino fault. But at the end of the day its the person fault.

Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?

You do not understand the disease of compulsive gambling, and the degree to which the casinos encourage the disorder and profit off of the money generated from its sufferers. I would say that well over half of their regular repeat patronage comes from compulsive gamblers.

**Gpwrangler** · March-16-15, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by ThisIsForTheHeart

I never had the casino force me to gamble. It sounds like from some comments its the casino fault. But at the end of the day its the person fault.

Should we blame Ford, GM, Chrysler, UAW and MDOT for deaths in car accidents?

apparently.

**townonenorth** · June-24-12, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner

The garage mentioned is not only for casino traffic. Lots of others park there. We had someone jump off our parking deck about ten years back and my office is not convenient to any of the casinos. I suggest there may be a lot of people jumping to the wrong conclusion. People jump for all sorts of reasons. After all the Penobscot observation deck was closed decades before we had casinos.

Accessability and opportunity converge in a parking garage.

Jumping to the wrong conclusions? Yes, usually.