Sam Riddle, Mary Waters & A Plea?

Mista Alan · June-17-09, 10:22 PM

Why are these two even related? Hmm...

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story/WILSO...SnqCnW2tg.cspx

**gnome** · June-17-09, 11:13 PM

Sam was Mary Waters Campaign Manager last year, they also live together over by Lafayette Park, not in the Meis places, but across the street.

The thing about Mary Waters is that anything Sam was doing/not doing was going through her phone lines and mail box, so regardless if she knew anything about anything the implication is that she was involved.

Too bad. Nice person and the kind of lady who should be a public official.

**Bobl** · June-18-09, 12:08 AM

This statement looms large:

Wilson: Iâ€™m told that theyâ€™re conditioning a deal on making sure she never runs for office again, is that true?
Riddle: I heard that on no less authority than my attorneyâ€¦Thatâ€™s not how you make a deal with me. If youâ€™re trying to make a deal with me predicated on Mary Waters never running for political office again, then Iâ€™m wondering if Carolyn [[Cheeks) Kilpatrick is not running the U.S. Attorneyâ€™s office. Something stinks to high-heaven about that.

It is hoped that the feds aim high here, and the Cadillacs, Escalades and mansions in Texas are no longer used by the "entitled" Kilpatrick clan, at taxpayers' expense.

lilpup · June-18-09, 01:25 AM

But that makes absolutely no sense - why in the world would they believe they could make a deal with Riddle that includes dictating Waters' behavior? They could only make that deal with Waters.

**7miledog** · June-19-09, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by lilpup

But that makes absolutely no sense - why in the world would they believe they could make a deal with Riddle that includes dictating Waters' behavior?

Part of Rayford Jackson's plea was conditioned on his brother not being prosecuted, but testifying as to his role. My guess is that they have enough to bring charges on Mary Waters on the Zeidman's Southfield deal, and they agreed not to prosecute her in a deal with Riddle conditioned on her not running again [[all as part of ole' Sammy's plea).

Remember, there was enough there that l'il Mary resigned her position with Worthy, so I don't believe for one minute that Mary's hands are clean here. But her role was probably miniscule compared to Riddle's.

**kraig** · June-19-09, 10:21 AM

The Feds aren't trying to restrict Waters from running for anything. Sam is putting that out there to make it appear that he won a concession from the Feds once he does talk. He's letting everyone know that he's about squeal like a pig.

MIRepublic · June-18-09, 03:39 AM

In that quote, Riddle says as much. I'm not sure how seriously it was to be taken in the first place given that it sounds nothing more than threatening machissmo machismo, though, I could be reading it wrong.

**exdetroiter** · June-18-09, 07:32 AM

MonCon will sing like a canary on the Kilpatricks and anyone else she has to before she does jail time. Remember she has a young son at home. She's not trying to leave him.

**allaboutthed** · June-18-09, 09:40 AM

Just asking, is there a time limit on when she has to decide about accepting/not accepthing the plea? I thought the legal analyst on channel 2 said there wasn't [[last night). Sorry for my lack of knowledge.

**BasementBeat** · June-18-09, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by exdetroiter

MonCon will sing like a canary on the Kilpatricks and anyone else she has to before she does jail time. Remember she has a young son at home. She's not trying to leave him.

Yep. She already shouted to the reporters how she's not like Kilpatrick [[someone correct me...I was half sleep when seeing this).

lilpup · June-18-09, 12:40 PM

They may have been wrong about the deadline, or perhaps she slithered in and got booked when no one was looking.

Buy American · June-18-09, 09:45 PM

Sam Riddle, on The Edge tonight, said "if he was questioned under oath he would tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may". He said this more than once and in my opinion, he was giving all his cohorts a fair warning that the $hit was about to hit the fan.

I am really disappointed in Sam Riddle, after all his posturing and his taking such a firm stance against thug KK and his administration, to think that he has been involved in shady dealings with thug Monica is disheartening.

I said once that maybe there were five people who worked for the City of Detroit government administration that had integrity....I have to change that to say that I don't think there is anyone in the City administration who can be trusted.

MIRepublic · June-18-09, 10:03 PM

There is already a thread on Sam. Perhaps, we can merge this with the other one.

Buy American · June-19-09, 09:52 AM

Didn't see the thread, thanks.

**Sstashmoo** · June-19-09, 11:31 AM

Quote: ".I have to change that to say that I don't think there is anyone in the City administration who can be trusted."

Might explain Archer's one term.

**Jmil** · June-19-09, 12:45 PM

Dennis Archer served two terms 1993 - 2001. He chose not to run in 2001, most say becuase of his unpopularity in the community.

Which is a main reason Hendrix has not been elected. Lots of Detroiters can't get past his association with the Archer administration.

**Brittz** · June-19-09, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jmil

Dennis Archer served two terms 1993 - 2001. He chose not to run in 2001, most say becuase of his unpopularity in the community.

Which is a main reason Hendrix has not been elected. Lots of Detroiters can't get past his association with the Archer administration.

Glad you pointed this out. My dad who is 83 really disliked Archer. The refusal to give a casino to Barden was the last straw. Now one can draw their own conclusion by Archer's refusal to support a Detroiter. Now just look at the casinos. LOL

**Gistok** · June-19-09, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by RayStar

Glad you pointed this out. My dad who is 83 really disliked Archer. The refusal to give a casino to Barden was the last straw. Now one can draw their own conclusion by Archer's refusal to support a Detroiter. Now just look at the casinos. LOL

It was Young who helped make Barden a multi-millionaire by giving him Detroit's cable franchise... shame on Archer for not helping to make him a billionaire.... people have every right to be indignant about that one...

**gnome** · June-19-09, 12:42 PM

On the stand, Sam will point out, that he was never a City of Detroit employee. Never a public employee. He carried the title of MonCon's Chief of Staff in name only, but in reality he was always a freelance political advisor, and as a freelancer he had many clients in addition to MonCon. As such he can't be charged with public corruption, because he was not paid by the public. It may be a thin and tattered fig-leaf, but that will be his defense.

Sam, like Adolph Mongo, works behind the scenes to influence public opinion; he's a major "barbershopper", and as a shape-shifter, he changes his Modus Operandi to fit the client's goals and budget.

From hints in the media, Sam may have taken on clients who did business with the city, but as only an influencer - not a policy maker - he had no more control over council votes than any other lobbyist. Sam's personable persona is more palatable than Mongo's and his slick command of the language makes him a media darling, a good source of info and quotes.

I always enjoyed Sam. His easy manner, approachable style and loquaciousness make him a true character. I wish him all the best and all of his former clients are shaking ... everyone except Fieger.

**kraig** · June-19-09, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

On the stand, Sam will point out, that he was never a City of Detroit employee. Never a public employee. He carried the title of MonCon's Chief of Staff in name only, but in reality he was always a freelance political advisor, and as a freelancer he had many clients in addition to MonCon. As such he can't be charged with public corruption, because he was not paid by the public. It may be a thin and tattered fig-leaf, but that will be his defense.

Sam, like Adolph Mongo, works behind the scenes to influence public opinion; he's a major "barbershopper", and as a shape-shifter, he changes his Modus Operandi to fit the client's goals and budget.

From hints in the media, Sam may have taken on clients who did business with the city, but as only an influencer - not a policy maker - he had no more control over council votes than any other lobbyist. Sam's personable persona is more palatable than Mongo's and his slick command of the language makes him a media darling, a good source of info and quotes.

I always enjoyed Sam. His easy manner, approachable style and loquaciousness make him a true character. I wish him all the best and all of his former clients are shaking ... everyone except Fieger.

Very good points. Has anyone noticed that all of Sam's clients get into legal trouble?

**mjs** · June-19-09, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

On the stand, Sam will point out, that he was never a City of Detroit employee. Never a public employee. He carried the title of MonCon's Chief of Staff in name only, but in reality he was always a freelance political advisor, and as a freelancer he had many clients in addition to MonCon. As such he can't be charged with public corruption, because he was not paid by the public. It may be a thin and tattered fig-leaf, but that will be his defense.

I wish him all the best and all of his former clients are shaking ... everyone except Fieger.

You guys are funny. What bar were you in when you heard that requirement? Of the eleven Michigan laws the state database lists for Bribery or Corruption, none have being a public employee as a requirement. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/[[S[[441...ght=corruption

Don't worry about Feiger, he might be a jerk, but he's never done anything illegal outside of challenging the intentional misinterpretation of laws such as not being able to reimburse employees for campaign contributions or attorneys not being able to bad mouth judges who are just begging for it.

**DenbyTar64** · June-19-09, 01:08 PM

he is a riddle

Buy American · June-19-09, 09:51 AM

Sam Riddle, on The Edge tonight, said "if he was questioned under oath he would tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may". He said this more than once and in my opinion, he was giving all his cohorts a fair warning that the $hit was about to hit the fan.

I am really disappointed in Sam Riddle, after all his posturing and his taking such a firm stance against thug KK and his administration, to think that he has been involved in shady dealings with thug Monica is disheartening.

I said once that maybe there were five people who worked for the City of Detroit government administration that had integrity....I have to change that to say that I don't think there is anyone in the City administration who can be trusted.

diver1369 · June-19-09, 09:55 AM

I got the impression last night watching Sam Riddle on TV2 that he was making an appeal to the Feds to offer him a plea bargain deal. Sam may be charming but he's in it for himself. Who knows if there's any truth to what he claims about Mary Waters?

**Brittz** · June-19-09, 02:43 PM

What is the government doing? If they have the goods, why haven't Sam and Monica been indicted? This is a scare tactic to get them to squeal. I believe there is room for charges but with all the mess in the news what is holding the feds back. Look at Roland Burris. The AG of IL wanted him to resign now the prosecutor says they don't have enough evidence. I am going to chill on Sam and Monica. However, it is not looking good for Monica.