City officials should seriously consider a curfew

[firstandten]

Basically what you are doing is taking away the opportunity for teens especially in Detroit to hang out at the gas station or party store after dark. They may not be doing anything, but the possibility of muggings and carjackings do increase after dark and when a teen is around his buddies.

What you are also doing is shifting the parental burden back onto the parent and away from the police dept. It may be thru fines and possible imprisonment but that seems what people respond to. Back in the day my parents and other parents had a strict rule. When the street lights come on you better either be in the house or on the front porch. Those days of course are very much over [[you're lucky if the street lights even work), parents are shifting too much of their burden of raising children onto society and not being accountable for their children which is affecting society in general in a negative way.

While I agree that it would tough on the police, its better to have a few detectives out giving curfew tickets now rather than those few detectives trying to solve a murder from one of these minors down the road

[internet_pseudopod]

What happened to the curfew law that was already on the books? When I was that age I knew quite a few people that were picked up and harassed for curfew.

[poobert]

What happened to the curfew law that was already on the books? When I was that age I knew quite a few people that were picked up and harassed for curfew.

Where have all of you been?

Sec. 33-3-11. - Presence of minors on public streets, playgrounds, and other public places prohibited during certain times.

It is unlawful for a minor to be on a public street, sidewalk, playground, vacant lot, or other unsupervised public place, during the following restricted times:

[[1)
For minors age fifteen [[15) and under:
a.
During standard time: from 8:00 p.m. through 6:00 a.m.; and
b.
During daylight savings time: from 10:00 p.m. through 6:00 a.m.
[[2)
For minors ages sixteen [[16) and seventeen [[17):
a.
During standard time: from 10:00 p.m. through 6:00 a.m., except Fridays and Saturdays: from 11:00 p.m. through 6:00 a.m.
b.
During daylight savings time: from 11:00 p.m. through 6:00 a.m.



There is a curfew. Just like everything in Detroit, it isn't enforced. DPD is phenomenal at not focusing on prevention but instead holding press conferences after the fact. Instead of getting kids off the street, they'll cruise right on by and wait till somebody gets killed.

Code/blight enforcement is another big one. Detroit could not only be cleaner, but make some money off fines, and disorder and filth [[broken windows theory) leads to crime. The irony is that Detroit codes are quite stringent, but as we all know you can do whatever you want - grill on your front porch, throw garbage out your window, fix shit cars on your lawn, chain your pit bull to a cinder block, cover your roof with a blue tarp - ANYTHING GOES HERE!

If Detroit would actually enforce the laws and ordinances on the books - or at least make an effort to - it would be a great place.

[antongast]

disorder and filth [[broken windows theory) leads to crime.

Adding the words "broken windows theory" to an otherwise unsubstantiated claim doesn't make it automatically true. Just saying.

[Wheels]

Code/blight enforcement is another big one. Detroit could not only be cleaner, but make some money off fines, and disorder and filth [[broken windows theory) leads to crime. The irony is that Detroit codes are quite stringent, but as we all know you can do whatever you want - grill on your front porch, throw garbage out your window, fix shit cars on your lawn, chain your pit bull to a cinder block, cover your roof with a blue tarp - ANYTHING GOES HERE!

If Detroit would actually enforce the laws and ordinances on the books - or at least make an effort to - it would be a great place.

In theory this sounds great.

In reality who are you going to fine?

In the majority of cases you are referring to they are either living off of some sort of aid funding or illegal income.

Who are you going to fine? They will just laugh at you.

If you cut their aid you will have the liberals in an uproar.

It's the same issue with going after the parents. How are you going to fine or discipline a single mother with nothing? That is where most of the bad eggs are coming from IMHO.

[firstandten]

It's the same issue with going after the parents. How are you going to fine or discipline a single mother with nothing? That is where most of the bad eggs are coming from IMHO.

Here's how you do it. In court after the single mother cries poor, the judge works out a payment plan for her with the understanding that if the agreement is not upheld she is subject to jail. You'll see then just how fast she puts her kids in check

[Wheels]

Here's how you do it. In court after the single mother cries poor, the judge works out a payment plan for her with the understanding that if the agreement is not upheld she is subject to jail. You'll see then just how fast she puts her kids in check

So she go's to jail and you have 8 kid's you have to shelter. Probably good for the kids but you will need more shelters and a larger budget. You are talking about a small any of kids with no direction whatsoever. It has taken multiple generations of poverty to get here. The answer wont be simple

[firstandten]

So she go's to jail and you have 8 kid's you have to shelter. Probably good for the kids but you will need more shelters and a larger budget. You are talking about a small any of kids with no direction whatsoever. It has taken multiple generations of poverty to get here. The answer wont be simple

true, not simple but one needs to start somewhere.

When the bulk of the parenting burden falls upon our institutions rather than the parents themselves then we have a problem.

[kraig]

So she go's to jail and you have 8 kid's you have to shelter. Probably good for the kids but you will need more shelters and a larger budget. You are talking about a small any of kids with no direction whatsoever. It has taken multiple generations of poverty to get here. The answer wont be simple

"Multiple generations of poverty'? Staying out late isn't an issue of economics for young people. Kids like to hang out with their friends, that's all.

When I was kid growing up in Detroit, I hung out past the designated curfew with my friends. There was no issue of being at risk for committing crimes because it was late because we weren't criminals and weren't looking to commit crimes.

We all knew that the curfew was only enforced in Hart Plaza or Greektown during the summer weekends and only in the neighborhoods during devil's night and halloween. Which is what would happen if the police tried to enforce it now.